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Old 07-13-2021, 04:07 PM   #1
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This ISNíT about bashing or saying one religion is better than another. What it is about is just an observation. I was invited to a church that believes you canít get into Heaven without being baptized in their presence. They are so focused on baptizing that theyíll stop the church service to hurry and dunk people. Ok, so thatís their beliefs and I didnít go there to judge or anything else. What is bothersome is how they are so forceful about it and will pressure kids unaccompanied by parents. I donít like that at all. Thatís something that should be done only with the parents being present and not forcing a kid. The entire congregation will put pressure on newcomers and act like their church is the gate to Heaven. There shouldnít be this forcefulness going on at all. In my opinion, thatís one way to cause people to not want anything to do with that church. Thatís the first church Iíve been to like that and needless to say, I wonít be going back to that one.
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Old 07-13-2021, 04:10 PM   #2
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What Church?
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Old 07-13-2021, 04:13 PM   #3
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It’s an Apostolic in another state.
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Old 07-13-2021, 04:18 PM   #4
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Yeah, that is wrong and focused more on an action than on Jesus. As baptism is not a requirement for salvation, simply ask the guy next to Jesus on the cross, he didn't have an opportunity to be baptized. Sounds like a church that is focused on works and not on the gospel. Much less forcing people to do it in "their presence", that's self riteous. I also don't agree with forcing kids to do that without their parents present, that is something that should be shared with family as a celebration not a requirement.

Not going back there would be wise...

Also, it's not judgement to call out a church for their bull****. Call it like you see it if it doesn't align with the gospel.
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Old 07-13-2021, 04:33 PM   #5
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Old 07-13-2021, 04:40 PM   #6
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I'm more concerned on why Earl Campbell's Hot Links only have 5 links per package.

Everything should be in even quantities.
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Old 07-13-2021, 04:54 PM   #7
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Pretty normal from all that I've seen.
Some think it requires 2 works of grace, some think you gotta speak in tongues, some baptism, some think communion is a requirement, etc..etc..
These things are the downfall of religion imo.
The Bible can be interpreted any way imaginable, and is.
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Old 07-13-2021, 05:00 PM   #8
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Yeah that why (in my opinion) all the new big non-denomination churches are popping up everywhere... and doing quite well. Pulling in all the younger family's that are a little more open minded.
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Old 07-13-2021, 05:36 PM   #9
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Sounds more like a cult than a church.
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Old 07-13-2021, 05:44 PM   #10
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Baptism debate aside.... can't be baptized outside their presence. Say what? They will baptize a kid in a hurry without their parents present. Hard to fathom short of parents giving permission or something.
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Old 07-13-2021, 05:57 PM   #11
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Yeah, that is wrong and focused more on an action than on Jesus. As baptism is not a requirement for salvation, simply ask the guy next to Jesus on the cross, he didn't have an opportunity to be baptized. Sounds like a church that is focused on works and not on the gospel. Much less forcing people to do it in "their presence", that's self riteous. I also don't agree with forcing kids to do that without their parents present, that is something that should be shared with family as a celebration not a requirement.

Not going back there would be wise...

Also, it's not judgement to call out a church for their bull****. Call it like you see it if it doesn't align with the gospel.
He wasn't baptised because the Testator was still alive. His instructions that he left to his disciples were followed precisely. Peter even answered the question as to what a person must do to be saved. Acts 2:38

Think of if like this. As long as I am alive, I can give instructions as to what is to be done in realtime. The second I pass away, my will takes over as to what must be done.
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Old 07-13-2021, 06:00 PM   #12
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Sounds more like a cult than a church.
Yep!
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Old 07-13-2021, 06:36 PM   #13
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Valid observation. I don’t see a question so I’ll just post and acknowledge the observation.
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Old 07-13-2021, 06:39 PM   #14
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There is nothing new under the sun. Jesus healed a blind man with his words and another with spit and mud. They probably went off and started 2 different churches which vehemently opposed each other. lol Ahhh, the fallen fleshly man that we are.
John the "baptist" said "I baptize you with water for repentance but One is coming that will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire!
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Old 07-13-2021, 06:51 PM   #15
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Sounds like there a little over zealous.There are no records of children or spiritual uneducated people getting baptized in the Bible.Jesus was around 30 when he was baptized.Baptism is a public expression of a personal dedication to God,you can dunk or pour all the water you want on some one and if the spiritual understanding or dedication is not there all you have is a wet person.I applaud spiritual zeal but let’s do things by the BOOK I mean it does give examples and instructions for us to follow.Acording to 1Corinthians 7:14 minor children are covered by the spiritual stand of their parents until they are old enough to be accountable for themselves.
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Old 07-13-2021, 06:53 PM   #16
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This ISNíT about bashing or saying one religion is better than another. What it is about is just an observation. I was invited to a church that believes you canít get into Heaven without being baptized in their presence. They are so focused on baptizing that theyíll stop the church service to hurry and dunk people. Ok, so thatís their beliefs and I didnít go there to judge or anything else. What is bothersome is how they are so forceful about it and will pressure kids unaccompanied by parents. I donít like that at all. Thatís something that should be done only with the parents being present and not forcing a kid. The entire congregation will put pressure on newcomers and act like their church is the gate to Heaven. There shouldnít be this forcefulness going on at all. In my opinion, thatís one way to cause people to not want anything to do with that church. Thatís the first church Iíve been to like that and needless to say, I wonít be going back to that one.
Not in scripture and IMO straight bs, keep on walking.
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Old 07-13-2021, 09:08 PM   #17
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Not in scripture and IMO straight bs, keep on walking.
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Old 07-14-2021, 08:40 AM   #18
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Nothing should be forced on anyone, the decision to become a Christian is supposed to be all about Free Will and understanding the enormity of the decision that is being made. That being said I do believe baptism is a necessary step towards salvation.
- Matthew 28:19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,"
Jesus called for his disciples to be baptized
- Acts 3:38 "Then Peter said to them, Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."
Baptism washes you clean of your sins
- 1 Peter 3:20-21 "who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water. There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, abut the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,"
Baptism into Christ saves us
-Mark 16:16 "He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned."
Baptism coupled with belief leads to salvation

All that being said I am not condoning the church you have referenced it sounds like they are taking things to far. True baptism shouldn't be and can't be forced, it has to be the result of oneself deciding to give their lives to Christ whether their family agrees with it or not. Baptism isn't about congregational membership, it isn't about peer pressure, it's about joining THE CHURCH aka Christ's body and accepting your ticket to eternity with him in heaven.
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Old 07-14-2021, 09:48 AM   #19
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-Romans 10:9 “that it you confess in your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.”

I’m not sure I’d God requires baptism or not, but I took the dunk after receiving my salvation. I like to cover my bases.

Related to the OP… yeah that’s some weird stuff.
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Old 07-14-2021, 09:48 AM   #20
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Sounds more like a cult than a church.
I was gonna say, Jim Jones operated in a similar fashion...
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Old 07-14-2021, 10:03 AM   #21
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A person should be old enough and wise enough to understand just what baptism means and is rational enough to accept the conditions set forth in the Bible. Someone who has been bribed, pressured or not of age or sound mind does not have the knowledge to accept Christ as their saviour. And anyone who is in their right mind and who wholeheartedly accepts Christ and begs forgiveness for their sins are forgiven. Just my thoughts
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