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Old 07-21-2019, 11:04 AM   #1
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Has anyone have updated information on whether there are more confirmed cases of anthrax or large number of deer kills in the historic areas of Sutton, Valverde, Crocket, kinney, edwards and uvalde.
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Old 07-21-2019, 11:08 AM   #2
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Coworker said their place got hit pretty hard. I believe he’s in Sutton county.
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Old 07-21-2019, 11:10 AM   #3
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Old 07-21-2019, 11:10 AM   #4
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Hasn't been updated in a few days, feel free to add to it.
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Old 07-21-2019, 11:25 AM   #5
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Following - Where can you read about this? Crockett Co.
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Old 07-21-2019, 11:48 AM   #6
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I know of a high fence place 40 minutes northwest of Uvalde that has lost 60+ animals and counting. Whitetail and all kinds of exotics.
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Old 07-21-2019, 02:43 PM   #7
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Default anthrax updates for Sutton and valverde

Q1. I was told by a lease member that spraying a bleach water solution in the dirt around the feeders throw circle would kill the spores it touches and reduce the chance of the animals picking it up while eating corn.
Anyone heard of that? Sounds like a wives tale but Maybe it isn’t.

Q2. Does it affect pigs?

Q3. That map says “confirmations received”, is that the number of animals found or per ranch infected ?



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Old 07-21-2019, 02:53 PM   #8
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Old 07-21-2019, 02:55 PM   #9
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Spoke with a Rancher yesterday that has a large spread near Ozona. Multiple confirmed cases of both deer and cattle.
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Old 07-21-2019, 06:14 PM   #10
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Kinney county, Shahan ranch checking in. No cattle or game out here yet.


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Old 07-21-2019, 07:57 PM   #11
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Good to hear, where is that in relation to Bracketville?


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Old 07-21-2019, 08:04 PM   #12
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Good to hear, where is that in relation to Bracketville?


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Up 674 north about 5-10 miles, right hand side


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Old 07-21-2019, 09:42 PM   #13
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[QUOTE=DaveC;14257711]Q1. I was told by a lease member that spraying a bleach water solution in the dirt around the feeders throw circle would kill the spores it touches and reduce the chance of the animals picking it up while eating corn.
Anyone heard of that? Sounds like a wives tale but Maybe it isn’t.

Q2. Does it affect pigs?

Q3. That map says “confirmations received”, is that the number of animals found or per ranch infected ?

From what I saw 20 or so years ago it did not affect pigs. We were over run with pigs and only had 6 deer sightings on 3k acres between Del Rio and Rocksprings.
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Old 07-22-2019, 06:18 PM   #14
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We have losses in Kinney county, I hope this ends fast
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Old 07-27-2019, 10:42 PM   #15
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We have losses in Kinney county, I hope this ends fast


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Old 07-28-2019, 08:18 AM   #16
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We are about 19 miles north of town. As of last weekend, no signs of any. Our grass is so high and we feed medicated feed so I don't expect to see any or many.

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Old 07-28-2019, 09:10 AM   #17
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20 miles north of 90 on 3008
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Old 07-28-2019, 12:21 PM   #18
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Old 07-29-2019, 09:46 AM   #19
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I just came back from the lease and we are on the western county line with Terrell County. Other than dry and hot, all of our deer looked pretty good. I was worried about the anthrax because we had a break out several years ago that decimated the herd.
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Old 07-29-2019, 04:07 PM   #20
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Facebook pages seem like they are showing reports left and right on this stuff....
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Old 07-29-2019, 04:29 PM   #21
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Old 07-29-2019, 04:49 PM   #22
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A buddy of mine has a place off of 1989 west of Sonora and it looks like it has killed most of their deer. They have axis and fallow and Aoudad too. Free range. I’ve got an Aoudad hung paid for there. Not looking good.

He usually goes through tons of feed. Nothing has touched the protein and corn is piling up.
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Old 07-29-2019, 04:49 PM   #23
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Dang that’s terrible hate to here this !
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Old 07-29-2019, 04:59 PM   #24
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Biologist told him they suspect 750k acres and 80%+ die off to be hit. That’s insane.
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Old 07-29-2019, 05:06 PM   #25
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Its also amazing how ignorant people are to this being naturally occur and around forever.

Some people are asking/claiming its high fence related.... Facepalm!
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Old 07-29-2019, 05:14 PM   #26
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We are about 19 miles north of town. As of last weekend, no signs of any. Our grass is so high and we feed medicated feed so I don't expect to see any or many.

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we have fed medicated feed for 10 yrs and place looks great and just last few days we are having deer falling over dead.
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Old 07-29-2019, 05:25 PM   #27
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we have fed medicated feed for 10 yrs and place looks great and just last few days we are having deer falling over dead.
Oh no! Carta valley? Do yall run livestock?

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Old 07-29-2019, 07:46 PM   #28
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Hunt in Sonora and have not heard anything yet about our place. I’m pretty sure the landowner would have called. We also have friends 10 miles down the road and nothing as well.
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Old 07-29-2019, 07:51 PM   #29
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My buddy in Campwood has been making a ton of improvements on his place just outside town and they haven’t seen anything dead. However, I know it’s historically been around Campwood.

Hopefully it goes away soon. Not a good deal at all.
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Old 07-29-2019, 08:52 PM   #30
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We’re estimating 10% die off so far on our 20k plus acre low fence lease in Kinney County so far. Sad stuff
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Old 07-29-2019, 09:33 PM   #31
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We’re estimating 10% die off so far on our 20k plus acre low fence lease in Kinney County so far. Sad stuff


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Old 07-29-2019, 09:53 PM   #32
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Old 07-29-2019, 10:16 PM   #33
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20+ YEARS

you cannot stop it... you can not prevent it. you can not treat it.

feed is good for deer that eat it.. not all deer eat it...

the feed is an antibiotic ... so you need multiple doses each day to make sure it works..
get all deer to come to a feeder every day for 15 days straight...

its not going to happen
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Old 07-29-2019, 10:26 PM   #34
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Going to check our lease south of Ozona this weekend. Lease manager told me today they have found about 30 dead deer so far. He suggested that I turn off my feeders when I’m out there is weekend.
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Old 07-29-2019, 10:29 PM   #35
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Does this kill off aoudad & other exotics?
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Old 07-29-2019, 10:37 PM   #36
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Yes and very big ones
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Old 07-29-2019, 10:39 PM   #37
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Tt our rancher this afternoon. We lost a few deer and he believes it is done at our place. He lost a few sheep that missed vaccinations but no cattle. We actually lose a few deer every year due to anthrax. We had been trying to get our herd back to manageable numbers and this is not how I wanted to do it. Keep the updates coming! Btw we are 40 mi south of Sonora and got completely wiped out in 1999-2000.
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Old 07-30-2019, 05:35 AM   #38
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We got hit hard about 8 years ago. killed off a couple age classes and make for some slim years. I would say we are still feeling he effects of it.
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Old 07-30-2019, 07:31 AM   #39
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you cannot stop it... you can not prevent it. you can not treat it.

feed is good for deer that eat it.. not all deer eat it...

the feed is an antibiotic ... so you need multiple doses each day to make sure it works..
get all deer to come to a feeder every day for 15 days straight...

its not going to happen
Best odds are to feed medicated feed and not run livestock. Keep their noses out of the dirt the best way you can. Definitely unavoidable, but minimize the damage. Kills everything except hogs.

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I've heard of some cases in Montell. We need rain badly. That's the best way to stop it. We added tetracycline to our protein feed for what its worth. We lost about 2/3 of our deer about 10-12 years ago in the last outbreak.
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A friends place just south of Sonora on 277 in Sutton County found close to 100 dead deer and didn't see a single live one.
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Old 07-30-2019, 08:24 AM   #42
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Best odds are to feed medicated feed and not run livestock. Keep their noses out of the dirt the best way you can. Definitely unavoidable, but minimize the damage. Kills everything except hogs.

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How does not running livestock help? Livestock can be vaccinated and have a very strong chance of surviving with the vaccine. Also, the Anthrax spores are on the grass as well as the dirt and the deer get it just as easily grazing as eating feed off of the bare ground.

I only ask because I am curious. You may be way more versed than me on the subject and I might learn something new.
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How does not running livestock help? Livestock can be vaccinated and have a very strong chance of surviving with the vaccine. Also, the Anthrax spores are on the grass as well as the dirt and the deer get it just as easily grazing as eating feed off of the bare ground.

I only ask because I am curious. You may be way more versed than me on the subject and I might learn something new.
Anthrax is a poorly understood pathogen. I guess livestock graze the grass down so far that deer are subjected a dustier environment. The triumvirate of anthrax is a cool, wet spring; followed by a dry hot summer; then lots of deer and horse flies. The theory is that the bacteria proliferate in the cool, moist earth, then form spores when it gets hot and dry. The flies bite the deer and other animals on the nose, leaving open wounds for the spores to get into as animals feed near the ground.
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Old 07-30-2019, 08:39 AM   #44
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We got hit hard about 8 years ago. killed off a couple age classes and make for some slim years. I would say we are still feeling he effects of it.

We got his the same year. We came back pretty good, but it took awhile. We are between Sheffield and Pumpville. I was out there this past weekend and didn't see any dead deer. No smell of rotting animals anywhere, so I hope we've made it unscathed.
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How does not running livestock help? Livestock can be vaccinated and have a very strong chance of surviving with the vaccine. Also, the Anthrax spores are on the grass as well as the dirt and the deer get it just as easily grazing as eating feed off of the bare ground.



I only ask because I am curious. You may be way more versed than me on the subject and I might learn something new.
Anthrax is in the soil, not the grass. The livestock keep grass and weeds and browse eaten and beat down close to the dirt. Deer now have to really get their nose down close to or in to the dirt to get their food to eat that tender new growth. Keep their noses as far off the ground, and your odds increase of minimizing death.

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Anthrax is in the soil, not the grass. The livestock keep grass and weeds and browse eaten and beat down close to the dirt. Deer now have to really get their nose down close to or in to the dirt to get their food to eat that tender new growth. Keep their noses as far off the ground, and your odds increase of minimizing death.

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"Anthrax bacteria reside in the soil in many regions of Texas, but epizootics are more frequent in the counties mentioned above. During the warm summer months, when there are rapid changes in climatic conditions (alternating periods of rain and drought), spores of the bacterium can be found at the soil surface and on low-level vegetation where they are readily available for ingestion by livestock/wildlife. The incubation period is between 1 and 10 days. After the onset of clinical signs, livestock/wildlife die very rapidly, in as little as 3-4 hours. Clinical signs include depression, lethargy, and staggering; animals may try to get to water. Live animals often are not found. The first indication of an outbreak on an individual property typically is when carcasses are located. Often, the carcass will appear to be from an otherwise healthy-looking animal (no signs of prolonged illness)."
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A friends place just south of Sonora on 277 in Sutton County found close to 100 dead deer and didn't see a single live one.
Same story I received from a buddy that hunts in that area.

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"Anthrax bacteria reside in the soil in many regions of Texas, but epizootics are more frequent in the counties mentioned above. During the warm summer months, when there are rapid changes in climatic conditions (alternating periods of rain and drought), spores of the bacterium can be found at the soil surface and on low-level vegetation where they are readily available for ingestion by livestock/wildlife. The incubation period is between 1 and 10 days. After the onset of clinical signs, livestock/wildlife die very rapidly, in as little as 3-4 hours. Clinical signs include depression, lethargy, and staggering; animals may try to get to water. Live animals often are not found. The first indication of an outbreak on an individual property typically is when carcasses are located. Often, the carcass will appear to be from an otherwise healthy-looking animal (no signs of prolonged illness)."

Thanks Smart. This is what I was basing my comments off of.
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A friends place just south of Sonora on 277 in Sutton County found close to 100 dead deer and didn't see a single live one.
Was this a high fence place?
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Old 07-30-2019, 09:13 AM   #50
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A friends place just south of Sonora on 277 in Sutton County found close to 100 dead deer and didn't see a single live one.



We are about 45 miles north of that....I hope that stuff stays below I-10...
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