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Old 07-01-2022, 09:55 PM   #1
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As if they werenít worthless already.

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Old 07-01-2022, 10:02 PM   #2
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Let the lawsuits begin..
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Old 07-01-2022, 10:04 PM   #3
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****. I hope my stuff from Midway makes it.
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Old 07-01-2022, 10:07 PM   #4
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I just sent it to my buddy in Iowa, he's a UPS driver, and lives about 2 miles from the Brownells store.
At one point they were a stop on his route.
Told him he's a traitor.
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Old 07-01-2022, 10:10 PM   #5
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Ol' Brown has stepped into it now.
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Old 07-01-2022, 10:20 PM   #6
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Old 07-01-2022, 10:30 PM   #7
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That's one of those double entendres.
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Old 07-01-2022, 10:36 PM   #8
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Get woke, go broke.

Time to lawyer up Brownells, Midway, etc.
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Old 07-01-2022, 10:54 PM   #9
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Old 07-01-2022, 11:27 PM   #10
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I was WAS going to purchase a new rifle tomorrow online! It isn’t happening now! I knew that UPS Stores would not ship firearms but this is beyond ridiculous .
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Old 07-01-2022, 11:27 PM   #11
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Brown will let you down....
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Old 07-01-2022, 11:28 PM   #12
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Old 07-02-2022, 12:43 AM   #13
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Time for world wide TBH Express?!
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Old 07-02-2022, 01:11 AM   #14
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Link donít work for me .
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Old 07-02-2022, 06:35 AM   #15
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Fedex will be raising rates again.
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Now youíre talking!

Itís their choice. Hope it shows in their bottom line.
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Old 07-02-2022, 08:24 AM   #17
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So ups plans to steal and destroy thousands of dollars worth of private property? They even put that in writing? A decent lawyer could do well with this case.
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Old 07-02-2022, 08:50 AM   #18
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TBH hotshot express service sounds like an awesome idea to me! Haha
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Old 07-02-2022, 08:51 AM   #19
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I just got a rifle from Buds no issues. Just shipped on to a guy in state. Box totally unmarked no issues


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Old 07-02-2022, 09:07 AM   #20
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The article claims they are only doing this for businesses who's account they have terminated. Specifically "Ghost" (whoever that is) and Brownells. Seems like UPS is claiming people who sell 80% receivers are violating the terms of service.
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Old 07-02-2022, 09:20 AM   #21
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The article claims they are only doing this for businesses who's account they have terminated. Specifically "Ghost" (whoever that is) and Brownells. Seems like UPS is claiming people who sell 80% receivers are violating the terms of service.
This is the way I read it also.
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Old 07-02-2022, 09:26 AM   #22
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They are talking about ghost guns. Not your gun shipments

Some of you guys jumped off the deep end and have hit your head.
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Old 07-02-2022, 09:44 AM   #23
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This is the way I read it also.
Yes. But if they are restricting a LEGAL item(refusing to do business with). Remember the cake maker who was forced to make a gay wedding cake? He didn't agree...but he had to make the cake.
Then, it is not going off the deep end. It is another infringement because they don't like what you like. Freedom is for EVERYONE. Not just those on your side.
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Old 07-02-2022, 09:45 AM   #24
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Sounds like they got cut because of their name. Some idiot probably thought 'ghost firearms' is where all the 'ghost guns' are being made
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Old 07-02-2022, 09:51 AM   #25
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Yes. But if they are restricting a LEGAL item(refusing to do business with). Remember the cake maker who was forced to make a gay wedding cake? He didn't agree...but he had to make the cake.
Then, it is not going off the deep end. It is another infringement because they don't like what you like. Freedom is for EVERYONE. Not just those on your side.
I think you took my 8 words slightly further than I commented.
But I understand what you are saying I think.
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Old 07-02-2022, 09:52 AM   #26
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Pretty simple to me. Companies have the right to do business however they see fit. You have the right to do or not do business with whoever you choose.
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Old 07-02-2022, 09:55 AM   #27
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I think you took my 8 words slightly further than I commented.
But I understand what you are saying I think.
I was agreeing with you but also commented on another post without separation. It did look like I was replying to you completely. Sorry.
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Old 07-02-2022, 10:11 AM   #28
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Pretty simple to me. Companies have the right to do business however they see fit. You have the right to do or not do business with whoever you choose.

They do not however have the right to destroy property that isnít theirs.


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Old 07-02-2022, 10:15 AM   #29
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I agree and there should be legal consequences for that.
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Old 07-02-2022, 10:24 AM   #30
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Not surprising since UPS is partnered with USPS giving the Feds some control. In other words if you want to do bidez with us you will do this. USPS does final delivery on most UPS small packages. Feds have them over a barrel.
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Old 07-02-2022, 10:31 AM   #31
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Yes. But if they are restricting a LEGAL item(refusing to do business with). Remember the cake maker who was forced to make a gay wedding cake? He didn't agree...but he had to make the cake.
Then, it is not going off the deep end. It is another infringement because they don't like what you like. Freedom is for EVERYONE. Not just those on your side.
Don't take this for gospel, but my friend says it's a suit in that local area being a ****, and he doesn't think it will stand.
He said Scheels & Brownells are huge accounts, and if they stop delivering for Brownells they have to stop delivering for Scheels.
Brownells is about 30 miles east of the Scheels though and falls under a different hub management, which is where he thinks the problem lies, because they are still delivering all the same stuff to Scheels.
He's gonna ask around today and let me know what he finds out.

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Old 07-02-2022, 10:31 AM   #32
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They may if that is something Ghost agreed to as a term of service.
This is a contractual dispute between private parties.
The talk about civil rights and infringement (not you) is sorely uninformed.
I donít agree with UPS actions, but I do adamantly defend the rights of private business owners to operate as they see fit (within the law, obviously).
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Old 07-02-2022, 11:30 AM   #33
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Pretty simple to me. Companies have the right to do business however they see fit. You have the right to do or not do business with whoever you choose.
Explain how the Christian baker was forced to make a Gay themed wedding cake they objected to. I am basing my opinion on that case. If you are open to the public...You are open to the public. Not just the people you agree with.
Correct me please if I am wrong.
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Old 07-02-2022, 11:33 AM   #34
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I see a heck of a national opportunity for a group of someones starting a shipping company for firearms.
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Explain how the Christian baker was forced to make a Gay themed wedding cake they objected to. I am basing my opinion on that case. If you are open to the public...You are open to the public. Not just the people you agree with.
Correct me please if I am wrong.
When the government gets involved all bets are off.
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Old 07-02-2022, 11:36 AM   #36
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How would you UPS fanboys feel if somebody accepted a shipment of your product and decided to destroy it? Don’t accept it if you’re not gonna do your job and deliver the product.
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How would you UPS fanboys feel if somebody accepted a shipment of your product and decided to destroy it? Donít accept it if youíre not gonna do your job and deliver the product.
Agreed. Big difference than gay cake people.
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Old 07-02-2022, 11:55 AM   #39
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Explain how the Christian baker was forced to make a Gay themed wedding cake they objected to. I am basing my opinion on that case. If you are open to the public...You are open to the public. Not just the people you agree with.
Correct me please if I am wrong.
Your wrong.. They were not forced to make the cake.
Do some research.
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Your wrong.. They were not forced to make the cake.

Do some research.
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Old 07-02-2022, 01:27 PM   #41
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Sent back my Strikeman last week. We have an account at a UPS store. Tried to send it back thru them. He asked what was in it. I explained it was an indoor range system, plastic paper and a laser. Was told he couldnít ship it because it had gun parts in it and he wasnít train how to handle them. However it was shipped to me thru UPS. Said itís not different than a laser pen, didnít matter. Went to a different store showed him what was in it and he had no problem with it. Package made it to its destination.


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They may if that is something Ghost agreed to as a term of service.
This is a contractual dispute between private parties.
The talk about civil rights and infringement (not you) is sorely uninformed.
I donít agree with UPS actions, but I do adamantly defend the rights of private business owners to operate as they see fit (within the law, obviously).
Do you think Ghost actually agreed to a contract to ship that includes a provision that UPS can, at their discretion, refuse to deliver the components and destroy the same?
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Sent back my Strikeman last week. We have an account at a UPS store. Tried to send it back thru them. He asked what was in it. I explained it was an indoor range system, plastic paper and a laser. Was told he couldnít ship it because it had gun parts in it and he wasnít train how to handle them. However it was shipped to me thru UPS. Said itís not different than a laser pen, didnít matter. Went to a different store showed him what was in it and he had no problem with it. Package made it to its destination.


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Why didnt u just say, none of your business?

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Old 07-02-2022, 01:44 PM   #44
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Iím pretty sure the UPS STORE is a chain and the owners are anti gun!
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Sent back my Strikeman last week. We have an account at a UPS store. Tried to send it back thru them. He asked what was in it. I explained it was an indoor range system, plastic paper and a laser. Was told he couldnít ship it because it had gun parts in it and he wasnít train how to handle them. However it was shipped to me thru UPS. Said itís not different than a laser pen, didnít matter. Went to a different store showed him what was in it and he had no problem with it. Package made it to its destination.


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This is the problem, the rules seem to be subjective
A whole bunch of BS


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Old 07-02-2022, 02:39 PM   #46
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Iím pretty sure the UPS STORE is a chain and the owners are anti gun!
Franchised, owned by individual owners but because they are franchised they are supposed to go by the no shipping gun parts policy. I had a situation some years ago that I had to send back a custom rifle that
I had built for African and fortunately I knew the franchise owner personally and literally begged him to ship it for me. He told me he could not ship firearms but he could ship ďmachine partsĒ. My 375 identified as ďmachine partsĒ that day.
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Old 07-02-2022, 06:16 PM   #47
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Your wrong.. They were not forced to make the cake.
Do some research.
I did...they were told to make the cake. Instead of making the cake. They got out of the cake business.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mast...%20the%20store.
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Old 07-02-2022, 08:35 PM   #48
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Pretty simple to me. Companies have the right to do business however they see fit.
Negative.

As a homebuilder I am forced by federal law to sell a home to anyone who qualifies.
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Pretty simple to me. Companies have the right to do business however they see fit. You have the right to do or not do business with whoever you choose.
Actually thatís incorrect. If ďthey see fitĒ to confiscate and destroy a shipped item that they donít own, thatís what is called illegal.
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Yes. But if they are restricting a LEGAL item(refusing to do business with). Remember the cake maker who was forced to make a gay wedding cake? He didn't agree...but he had to make the cake.
Then, it is not going off the deep end. It is another infringement because they don't like what you like. Freedom is for EVERYONE. Not just those on your side.
Not an accurate compare at all. Federal laws prohibit discrimination based on a person's national origin, race, color, religion, disability, sex, and familial status.
There is no discrimination protection for a firearms dealer.
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