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Originally posted by Sackett View PostLord, I hate the "Points" system/lottery. I understand it, but think it negates a younger hunter from ever being able to draw a prime unit.
Also gotta play to win!
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I’ll be applying for antelope for the first time. The draw odds from last year are confusing. Why do some units say 0 points get 33% drawn, and 1 line up state <1 point gets 80 something % drawn? Isn’t that the same thing? Lol. This is an example of the area I plan to apply for.
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[QUOTE=Jeremy7306;15390228]I’ll be applying for antelope for the first time. The draw odds from last year are confusing. Why do some units say 0 points get 33% drawn, and 1 line up state <1 point gets 80 something % drawn? Isn’t that the same thing? Lol. This is an example of the area I plan to apply for.
In Wyoming you average your PP if you apply in a party application, and they go out to 4 decimal points I believe, so some can have fractional PP. Less than 1 PP could be .5 PP due to averaging on a party app, that is more than 0 PP.
Best, primo deer areas will take max PP or close. Good ones to be had with way less than max PP or even 0-1. We have decent deer hunting on general Region tags that can be drawn with 0-1 PP.
Great pronghorn to be had with say 7 PP or so, very good hunting areas that take 5-6 PP to draw also. But good hunts can be had in any are with access. More PP gets you areas with more public land and usually more bucks to choose from. Mid tier areas are not bad at all and good bucks can be found on areas with little access.
For elk remember now 25% go into a random draw, everyone that doesn't draw in the PP draw gets thrown into a random draw.
General elk areas have good hunting and you'll need probably 3-4 PP to draw unless last year was a farce.
Better areas take 9 or so and we have archery only tags available in certain areas, Type 9, that can have better draw odds.
Most licenses are valid for archery season and rifle season, just buy an archery license OTC to hunt that season. Type 9 are archery only and no extra archery license in needed.
Reduced price cow tags are all random draw. Some are better late season and some are fine early. There are some full price cow tags too that will take your PP if you draw them, Type 4 tags. Draw odds are usually good on those.
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Originally posted by Jeremy7306 View Post@wytex could you explain what the quota number means? I’m confused on that and how it plays into draw odds. This is the unit I planned to apply for with no points. Thank you for the help, the is completely new to me.
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Originally posted by Jeremy7306 View Post@wytex could you explain what the quota number means? I’m confused on that and how it plays into draw odds. This is the unit I planned to apply for with no points. Thank you for the help, the is completely new to me.
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Looks like with your 0 PP odds are about 37% you would draw. If you had a little more than 0 PP odds were 100% to draw.
You could party app with someone that had just 1 PP and both of you would get put into the draw with .5 PP.
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Originally posted by wytex View PostThe quota is the number of tags available for that area. They started with 175 tags in the drawing and counted down by PP that were used to draw.
Looks like with your 0 PP odds are about 37% you would draw. If you had a little more than 0 PP odds were 100% to draw.
You could party app with someone that had just 1 PP and both of you would get put into the draw with .5 PP.
I didn’t see anything about a party app, but I also didn’t look for it. I’ll be hunting with a buddy who is resident there, but I’m not sure if he has any points. This unit was one we could tell had a better first draw rate for no points, will be hunting public.
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I was born and raised here in Wyoming and I am on the fence with regards to preference points for residents. Why? Because I have drawn one elk tag in the last 11 years and it was for a late season cow tag. Yes, I have heard all of the arguments about how I could easily go hunt a general area tag but in reality, that is not so easy. Access is much more difficult with a lot of it requiring mules or horses to access it, or at the very least to pack one out if you are successful. Most of the general tag areas are in the west and northwestern part of the state where the Grizzly Bears are very numerous and I just don't want to hunt in an area where I have to keep looking over my shoulder for a predator I am not allowed to take unless my life is threatened, and should you pull the trigger, you are treated as guilty until proven innocent.
I think that realistically, as a resident, one should expect to be able to draw a good elk tag every 3-4 years. We have more elk in our state than we have ever had and yet I can't tell you how many friends I hunt with have the same experience I have had.
We have more antelope in our state that people and my feeling is the every resident of this state should be able to draw an antelope tag if they desire one. I did draw a tag last year, the first one in a number of years but I never pulled the trigger because I never saw anything that scored above a 72-73.
We had a lot of late winter/early spring kill last year, especially on deer and antelope. The are I did hunt for antelope had 2400 permits given out last year. I spent a total of 6 full days in the area and all days combined I did not see 2400 antelope in total. I will be very interested to see how the permit numbers are affected this year.
My personal opinion, and I have no scientific evidence to prove it, is that the odds of drawing as a non-resident are better solely because the price of a non-resident tag is so much higher than a resident tag. Our G&F is always wanting more budget money and one way to get it is through non-resident tag revenue.
So, get your tags filled out guys and gals and your money sent in as we do have some wonderful places to hunt up here.
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Originally posted by WyoBull View PostI was born and raised here in Wyoming and I am on the fence with regards to preference points for residents. Why? Because I have drawn one elk tag in the last 11 years and it was for a late season cow tag. Yes, I have heard all of the arguments about how I could easily go hunt a general area tag but in reality, that is not so easy. Access is much more difficult with a lot of it requiring mules or horses to access it, or at the very least to pack one out if you are successful. Most of the general tag areas are in the west and northwestern part of the state where the Grizzly Bears are very numerous and I just don't want to hunt in an area where I have to keep looking over my shoulder for a predator I am not allowed to take unless my life is threatened, and should you pull the trigger, you are treated as guilty until proven innocent.
I think that realistically, as a resident, one should expect to be able to draw a good elk tag every 3-4 years. We have more elk in our state than we have ever had and yet I can't tell you how many friends I hunt with have the same experience I have had.
We have more antelope in our state that people and my feeling is the every resident of this state should be able to draw an antelope tag if they desire one. I did draw a tag last year, the first one in a number of years but I never pulled the trigger because I never saw anything that scored above a 72-73.
We had a lot of late winter/early spring kill last year, especially on deer and antelope. The are I did hunt for antelope had 2400 permits given out last year. I spent a total of 6 full days in the area and all days combined I did not see 2400 antelope in total. I will be very interested to see how the permit numbers are affected this year.
My personal opinion, and I have no scientific evidence to prove it, is that the odds of drawing as a non-resident are better solely because the price of a non-resident tag is so much higher than a resident tag. Our G&F is always wanting more budget money and one way to get it is through non-resident tag revenue.
So, get your tags filled out guys and gals and your money sent in as we do have some wonderful places to hunt up here.
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