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Old 01-23-2021, 05:13 PM   #51
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And recoil must be 10ft/lbs or less, readily available factory ammo guaranteed at 1/4 moa or better....


I kid!! I enjoy the challenge and theoretical debates on threads like this.

In seriousness a short/small suppressor will limit cartridge choice especially given the barrel length. So I'm really thinking a short action magnum with a quick burning powder and lighter for caliber bullet might be the only way to make this unicorn happen.

Definitely the way Iím leaning, just thought there would be a lot more options.

Thanks for all the info!
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Old 01-23-2021, 05:14 PM   #52
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You donít have to over think this. Efficiency and laser like trajectory donít belong in the same sentence simple as that.

A 308 Win or 7mm-08 Rem are the standout choices in efficiency , there are numerous cartridges that will shoot flatter than those two.

What happen to a persons shooting/hunting skills where a ol ought six was good enough? Seems like folks now days have to have the latest super duper whiz bang round to even think they can go out in the woods and be successful.
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Old 01-23-2021, 05:24 PM   #53
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Apparently I donít have a picture of it with the adjustable cheek riser and Omega 300 on it.
It sounds really good suppressed and is sub-28Ē even with the can.
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Old 01-23-2021, 05:36 PM   #54
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FWIW, I load both of my 338 WSM and 300 WSM with Hodgdon 414 or Win 760 ball powder. Both meter well.
760 seems to be the cleaner burning powder but both have same accuracy and velocities.
Both are considered to be medium burn rate.
Also I do not ever get velocity equal to factory ammo with 150 gr nosler ballistic silvertips. Winchester uses a proprietary powder that I have no clue what it is. I only get around 3100 fps with 150 gr noslers and around 3150 with Barnes 150 TSX.
On the 338 I can push it to 3240 with Barnes 185's but the powder charge is way more and that is OK with a bigger diameter bore.

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Old 01-23-2021, 06:05 PM   #55
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What kind of velocity would you expect a .300WSM with 20 inch barrel shooting 150 nosiler ballistic tips?

Just a SWAG but probably 28-2900 ?? Definitely a solid option but requires a mag bolt face as Iím sure you know. Iíd put that above a CM option any day


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Old 01-23-2021, 06:11 PM   #56
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I’ll throw out another option that has not been listed.

300 RCM
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Old 01-23-2021, 07:21 PM   #57
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You don’t have to over think this. Efficiency and laser like trajectory don’t belong in the same sentence simple as that.

A 308 Win or 7mm-08 Rem are the standout choices in efficiency , there are numerous cartridges that will shoot flatter than those two.

What happen to a persons shooting/hunting skills where a ol ought six was good enough? Seems like folks now days have to have the latest super duper whiz bang round to even think they can go out in the woods and be successful.
I was going to suggest a .30-06 as that’s my choice for just about everything, and they don’t suffer horribly from a 20” barrel, I doubt they can run a 150 at 3000 fps. It will be dang close with the right load.

Not going to have laser like trajectory, need a smaller diameter bullet to get the BC up.

Lots of kids out west kill elk with a .243 Winchester though.

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Old 01-23-2021, 09:23 PM   #58
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Just a SWAG but probably 28-2900 ?? Definitely a solid option but requires a mag bolt face as Iím sure you know. Iíd put that above a CM option any day


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My 20Ē 308 Rem 700 5R gets 2800 with 175 Bergers so I donít see the advantage to the WSM if thatís all it will do with a 150.


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Old 01-23-2021, 09:26 PM   #59
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My 20Ē 308 Rem 700 5R gets 2800 with 175 Bergers so I donít see the advantage to the WSM if thatís all it will do with a 150.


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My numbers were a 100% guess so could be wrong there. Personally Iíd go 308 or 7-08. Iíve spent a lot of time behind a 20Ē 308 and know what it is capable of so we are in agreement


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Old 01-23-2021, 09:32 PM   #60
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My 20Ē 308 Rem 700 5R gets 2800 with 175 Bergers so I donít see the advantage to the WSM if thatís all it will do with a 150.


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A guy on a nosler forum claimed 20Ē 300wsm 150gr should get 3200-3250
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Old 01-23-2021, 10:06 PM   #61
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.375 Ruger. Works real good from a 20Ē barrel.


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Old 01-23-2021, 10:14 PM   #62
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Be hard to beat a short 308. I run a suppressed 16” 308 and have killed whitetail out to 575 yards with 165gr Accubonds.

Good luck on the build.
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Old 01-23-2021, 10:32 PM   #63
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A guy on a nosler forum claimed 20Ē 300wsm 150gr should get 3200-3250


Fastest I found in the Nosler manual was 3300 (one load) the rest were around 3200-3250 with a 26inch barrel. Cutting 6 inches off the barrel should be significant but if itís being pushed hard, near max, who knows what can be reached with real world data.


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Old 01-24-2021, 09:54 AM   #64
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Old 01-24-2021, 10:56 AM   #65
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Worth looking at the numbers with a 6mm on a 18 1/2" barrel. May not be as fast as you are looking for, but definitely the shorter barrel with outstanding performance.

Mine weights under 7lbs without scope on a walnut stock. Shoots dimes with 100gr.
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Old 01-24-2021, 08:51 PM   #66
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Old 01-24-2021, 08:59 PM   #67
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The ďhammerĒ is less the cartridge than it is bullet selection and shot placement.
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Old 01-26-2021, 07:51 PM   #68
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Old 01-26-2021, 10:11 PM   #69
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If you reload, I would check out the 6.5 sherman short or 7 sherman short. You should be able to achieve the numbers your wanting with the specified barrel lengths depending on bullet selection.
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Old 01-28-2021, 08:10 AM   #70
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If you reload, I would check out the 6.5 sherman short or 7 sherman short. You should be able to achieve the numbers your wanting with the specified barrel lengths depending on bullet selection.
I was scrolling through thinking the same thing.....my next rifle will be a 6.5SST in an 18" barrel. Should be able to run the 140's right at 3000 and the 156 Bergers in the 2900 range. Would be a perfect setup with the suppressor on the end.
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Old 01-28-2021, 06:07 PM   #71
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308 and 6.5 PRC are good with short pipes.
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Old 01-28-2021, 07:20 PM   #72
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Didn’t gunwerks recently come out with a shorty 338 rcm that was integrally suppressed and had a folding chassis? I think recreating that might be similar to what you’re looking for (except with a normal barrel and suppressor).
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Didn’t gunwerks recently come out with a shorty 338 rcm that was integrally suppressed and had a folding chassis? I think recreating that might be similar to what you’re looking for (except with a normal barrel and suppressor).
I believe your thinking of the Lite Sabr offered in the 338 and other calibers which the integral suppressed barrel is built by SWS in Stafford. Very cool build but not 13k cool.

https://www.gunwerks.com/shop/produc...e-system-22185
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I believe your thinking of the Lite Sabr offered in the 338 and other calibers which the integral suppressed barrel is built by SWS in Stafford. Very cool build but not 13k cool.

https://www.gunwerks.com/shop/produc...e-system-22185
Yep thatís the one. Super cool and could definitely be built for a fraction of the price. Thatís what I picture APRís #2 to be for this year...or some variation thereof where it doesnít have the integral suppressor.
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Old 01-28-2021, 10:22 PM   #75
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I said Hammer
458 socom, 358 winchester, 450 bushmaster,,,, 3 suggestions, three hammers, now just pick one!
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Would like a lazor out to 300-400yds
well make up your mind you want a lazer or a hammer? you are left with the 50bmg!
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Old 01-29-2021, 07:54 AM   #77
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if you reload then the 7-08 is a great option. Some new powders out that are putting some impressive velocities. Also maybe check out the 300 RCM, another short barrel round designed to perform really well.
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Old 01-29-2021, 08:43 AM   #78
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I run 300Saum running 180gr Accubonds 20 inch barrel. But, I thing the 300WSM will be the next barrel. As there are far better factory support.
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Old 01-29-2021, 09:33 AM   #79
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Biggest drawback with a 300WSM is the short case neck and being able to max load and feed bullets heavier than 168gr in magazine fed rifles. I would love to be able to run 190 -200 bullets in my 300WSM but to seat the bullets deep enough that will fit in the mags then there is not enough room left for a full powder charge unless it is highly compacted which I don't like to do. That's why I had the 338 WSM built so I could run 185-210 gr pills and still have plenty of powder room and C.O.L. still fit the mags. The 338WSM is a sledge hammer on hogs.
BTW, my 300WSM is a factory special edition Remington 700 CDL Boone and Crockett. Semi rare find chambered for 300WSM and sub moa with factory 150gr BST ammo. And no it ain't fer sale.
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Old 01-29-2021, 09:16 PM   #81
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Biggest drawback with a 300WSM is the short case neck and being able to max load and feed bullets heavier than 168gr in magazine fed rifles. I would love to be able to run 190 -200 bullets in my 300WSM but to seat the bullets deep enough that will fit in the mags then there is not enough room left for a full powder charge unless it is highly compacted which I don't like to do. That's why I had the 338 WSM built so I could run 185-210 gr pills and still have plenty of powder room and C.O.L. still fit the mags. The 338WSM is a sledge hammer on hogs.
BTW, my 300WSM is a factory special edition Remington 700 CDL Boone and Crockett. Semi rare find chambered for 300WSM and sub moa with factory 150gr BST ammo. And no it ain't fer sale.
Throat that WSM out and stick that tube on a long action. Should make some comfy room for a handful of powders Iíd think. However, plenty argument can be made to just stick with a 300 WM but some do prefer a non-belted cartridge. Sharp lookin ole cdl ya got.
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Old 01-29-2021, 09:27 PM   #82
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Old 01-30-2021, 11:40 AM   #83
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I'd look at any of the 7 or 300 options in a short mag, even a 6.5 although it looses a little advantage to bore diameter in a short tube.

I'm looking at a 20 inch short mag as well. Many options out there; SAUM, WSM or Sherman (SAUM based). The SAUM holds an advantage of better brass (ADG) when they make another run. Buy 100 rounds and it should last many years unless competition shooting is in your plans. Then again, your barrel won't last many years at that point. The Sherman Short is pretty much WSM capacity but a little shorter COAL allowing for running in a SA with a Wyatt's box. Plus it's better throated for long VLD bullets then the WSM and is made from better brass.

If you don't reload, then the 300 WSM or 308 Win would be my suggestion.
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Just my opinion but with shorter barrels a larger bore diameter will use faster burning powders and therefore should be more efficient powder burn and not have so much muzzle flash.
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Old 02-01-2021, 09:49 AM   #85
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if you're going 20", my vote would be the 7-08 AI, 7mm SAUM or what I'm personally looking into - 6mm SAUM/PRC. I've been looking into this caliber for a while and you can shoot the ever popular 105gr berger hybrids in the 3,300-3,450 fps arena, depending on the barrel length.

It's on the lighter end of the options, but it would be very flat shooting out of such a compact package that you're talking about - and pretty efficient as well. It has a capacity of around 60gr of powder vs the creedmoor case of 46gr (both rough max estimates).
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Old 02-01-2021, 11:53 AM   #86
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We've gone about full circle on all these suggestions and to me it seems to come back to 6.5 PRC to get closest to what you want within your parameters.
Factory ammo is a bit hard to find but you can roll your own fairly easily and those 140 grain and 153 grain bullets will kill anythang out past 1000 yds
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