Resident Biden Voters

[ladrones]

The continued survival and expansion of the federal government is what your gonna have no matter the party.

[SB09]

I thought the point of this thread was to understand the views of the people who voted for Biden..... you can’t start with that premise and then just spend the entire thread trashing them for their ideas.

I was a SOLID trump vote, but when someone responds to the thread’s request with a thoughtful explanation of their rational, I can’t bring myself to flame them for it. How about countering with your own ideas and/or solutions when someone meaningfully contributes to a thread, no matter how strongly you disagree with them.

EDIT:
If they are simply trolling, flame away... but not when someone actually engages in dialog.

I agree. Some of us are politely trying to understand the logic though.

I think it's okay to point out the discrepancies between what the "hopes" are vs. what historical data shows us. I hope you're not taking that as trolling.

[WItoTX]

OP asked for what is Biden going to do, what do you want him to do. Folks are giving honest answers. Stop attacking them, it's keeping others from giving their opinion, and those of us on the Trump train can learn where we lost these people along the way.

Dos and I agree on all but one of his points, I am genuinely interested on how he arrived at the polar opposite candidate as I did.

[Ironman]

I thought the point of this thread was to understand the views of the people who voted for Biden..... you can’t start with that premise and then just spend the entire thread trashing them for their ideas.

I was a SOLID trump vote, but when someone responds to the thread’s request with a thoughtful explanation of their rational, I can’t bring myself to flame them for it. How about countering with your own ideas and/or solutions when someone meaningfully contributes to a thread, no matter how strongly you disagree with them.

EDIT:
If they are simply trolling, flame away... but not when someone actually engages in dialog.

If there was any rational in that explanation, then I wouldn’t have said anything.

When you look at their hopes and know who they voted for is in complete opposition of those hopes, well then.....

[SB09]

The continued survival and expansion of the federal government is what your gonna have no matter the party.

Correct...

Until the entire country folds on itself(Most likely)

Or, we all start voting for people outside of the Political Establishment/Military Industrial Complex.(Less likely)

[txpitdog]

A little more harsh than I would've stated it buttttt...

This is, quite literally, the type response I have seen from every single person that is willing to explain why they voted for Biden. They give a list of their "hopes" while ignoring literally 47+ years of historical data and what the man has said he was going to do.

I can't figure out where any person places their hope when it takes literally 10 minutes to go back and look to see everything they hope for, Biden has done the opposite in the past. Never seen anything like it in my life...

I think the same would be said of the other side. In a liberal forum, where someone had concerns about Biden’s qualifications or platform, or about Harris specifically, and reluctantly voted for Trump. They could list things that they hoped Trump would pursue then get raked over the coals.

We all have differing priorities, or differing strengths of concern about similar priorities. It all gets crammed into a single vote, which has unfortunately become a one size fits none. One thing I believe Canada does that would be an interesting tweak (and probably a whole new type of cluster) is that cabinet positions are elected, not appointed. That would create the option for citizens to refine the government to reflect more conservative/liberal views on specific issues vs an either/or for all.


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[Russ79]

Also, your wish list for the Biden administration is a joke. They don't care for a transparent review of the election because it will shine a light on the tricks used to put a man in office that the last time he ran didn't get one percent of the vote. Revoking 230 won't happen because it protects his buddies at Facebook and Twitter and their mission to silence conservative voices. Stop spending your children's future...they are Democrats- it isn't in their DNA. Term limits...bless your heart....Take care of our soldiers- from your mouth to God's ear. Flat tax- how can they tax into oblivion "rich people" with that.

[Ironman]

Also, your wish list for the Biden administration is a joke. They don't care for a transparent review of the election because it will shine a light on the tricks used to put a man in office that the last time he ran didn't get one percent of the vote. Revoking 230 won't happen because it protects his buddies at Facebook and Twitter and their mission to silence conservative voices. Stop spending your children's future...they are Democrats- it isn't in their DNA. Term limits...bless your heart....Take care of our soldiers- from your mouth to God's ear. Flat tax- how can they tax into oblivion "rich people" with that.

Logic obviously eludes some. Mind boggling.

[Mudslinger]

Trillions spent on bombs but schools don't have enough books for kids to take home.
Parents have to send supplies to the school
Dry erase markers
Paper
Clorox cloths
Because schools don't have the budget.

That has to stop

Depending on what district and what area of that district you teach in, parents do not even send this stuff to school. I just retired from a school thta was with students that were 98% economically disadvantaged so who do you think bought the supplies? YES us teachers!

Biden is not in control of anything, he is just a puppet being told what to do and say. The most corrupt admin in history is taking the reigns of this country period!

[Vermin93]

I mean we now have an obese, transgendered hippie running the HHS for us

Incorrect. Xavier Bacerra is the incoming HHS Secretary.

[Ironman]

Incorrect. Xavier Bacerra is the incoming HHS Secretary.

Yeah, but his assistant sure is an ugly “women.”

[squirrel]

Incorrect. Xavier Bacerra is the incoming HHS Secretary.

Its funnier when Joe says his name wrong, in front of him.

https://youtu.be/m-t8OhyOeQQ

[sqiggy]

Only time will tell.
Democrats have the WH, senate, and house for at least the next 2 years.
It seems the biggest issue, IMO, is division. This was all started in the Obama administration, not Trump’s!!!
Green new deal, fossil fuels bad, but what are they suggesting it be replaced with? Solar and wind??? I would love to see every power plant shut down for one day and say there’s your new green deal!!!
I say let’s come back to this thread at the end of 2 years and ask the Biden voters again, Do you still feel you made the right choice!!!

[drewgriz]

Biden voter here, just answering the original question. I'm not gonna argue with anyone cause a lot of our disagreement likely comes from a different perception of reality than a different opinion, just want to give an example of how the other side thinks (useful for everyone IMO). For me and my family (white, relatively affluent, able to work from home) not much will change in the next 4 years, except probably marginally higher taxes at some point, but not much changed for us in the last 4 years either. That said, here are some things I'm hopeful will change with the new administration:

1) A competent COVID response. Every day counts both in terms of saving lives and getting our lives and livelihoods back, and having a team that cares more about getting shots in arms than their reelection campaign makes a huge difference.

2) A public health insurance option, or maybe even M4A. I'm no socialist, and I think nationalizing any industry is a very bad idea unless you have a very good reason. But the American health *insurance* industry (not health *care*, which is great) could not possibly be made less efficient, less transparent, and less helpful to its customers than it is now, so I'm not afraid of nuking it and having the government take its place.

3) Sensible, welcoming immigration policy. From a purely practical perspective, you're not going to deport 12 million people, and if you did it would cripple the economy. From a values perspective, I don't think someone fleeing violence/poverty/famine/etc and coming here to give their kids a better life should be treated as criminals. Better IMO to make them legal residents, get them paying taxes (at a higher rate than they already do: plenty of undocumented workers have federal taxes withheld via whatever fake SSN they put on their W2), drivers licences, car insurance, etc.

4) A team that will take steps to address climate change. I work in the fossil fuel industry, and I'm not ignorant of how important it is to Texas, but the whale oil industry used to be a big deal too. We can't preserve something that's actively harming the future productivity of the planet because it employs people right now. I think Biden (as opposed to a lot of the other candidates in the D primary) has a realistic view of how to take substantive steps to reduce emissions without doing something like ban fracking on day 1 that would immediately tank the economy. Furthermore, whether we do anything or not, the rest of the world is taking action, and by withdrawing from the Paris agreement we didn't do anything but give up our seat at the negotiating table.

There are a lot more smaller ones, like ending the federal drug war, raising the minimum wage, a less car-centric infrastructure plan, addressing the domestic terror threat, etc but these are the big ones. There are also things I would like but am not hopeful about, like getting troops out of the Middle East, ending the Renewable Fuel Standard, and many others, but I think the next 4 years will be better for more Americans than the last, and not just because orange man bad.

[Hobbs]

Biden voter here, just answering the original question. I'm not gonna argue with anyone cause a lot of our disagreement likely comes from a different perception of reality than a different opinion, just want to give an example of how the other side thinks (useful for everyone IMO). For me and my family (white, relatively affluent, able to work from home) not much will change in the next 4 years, except probably marginally higher taxes at some point, but not much changed for us in the last 4 years either. That said, here are some things I'm hopeful will change with the new administration:

1) A competent COVID response. Every day counts both in terms of saving lives and getting our lives and livelihoods back, and having a team that cares more about getting shots in arms than their reelection campaign makes a huge difference.

2) A public health insurance option, or maybe even M4A. I'm no socialist, and I think nationalizing any industry is a very bad idea unless you have a very good reason. But the American health *insurance* industry (not health *care*, which is great) could not possibly be made less efficient, less transparent, and less helpful to its customers than it is now, so I'm not afraid of nuking it and having the government take its place.

3) Sensible, welcoming immigration policy. From a purely practical perspective, you're not going to deport 12 million people, and if you did it would cripple the economy. From a values perspective, I don't think someone fleeing violence/poverty/famine/etc and coming here to give their kids a better life should be treated as criminals. Better IMO to make them legal residents, get them paying taxes (at a higher rate than they already do: plenty of undocumented workers have federal taxes withheld via whatever fake SSN they put on their W2), drivers licences, car insurance, etc.

4) A team that will take steps to address climate change. I work in the fossil fuel industry, and I'm not ignorant of how important it is to Texas, but the whale oil industry used to be a big deal too. We can't preserve something that's actively harming the future productivity of the planet because it employs people right now. I think Biden (as opposed to a lot of the other candidates in the D primary) has a realistic view of how to take substantive steps to reduce emissions without doing something like ban fracking on day 1 that would immediately tank the economy. Furthermore, whether we do anything or not, the rest of the world is taking action, and by withdrawing from the Paris agreement we didn't do anything but give up our seat at the negotiating table.

There are a lot more smaller ones, like ending the federal drug war, raising the minimum wage, a less car-centric infrastructure plan, addressing the domestic terror threat, etc but these are the big ones. There are also things I would like but am not hopeful about, like getting troops out of the Middle East, ending the Renewable Fuel Standard, and many others, but I think the next 4 years will be better for more Americans than the last, and not just because orange man bad.

You certainly have a different perception of reality but you are making it work for you and your family.