ATF has made their ruling

[PondPopper]

Now THIS is what a pistol looks like boys and girls.. A model 29-2 44 Mag Dirty Harry Special(Unfired so far).. I need a new insert. It's so old it's brittle..
I'm not sure about those black plastic things that y'all are getting worked up about...
When they start coming after these, and they ain't, is when we have a problem...

[Artos]

Originally Posted by imyomama

so you think you gonna save $200 , while you're actually selling away your liberty.

take that brace off ... and run a smooth buffer tube until this nonsense gets overturned in court ... don't fall for it.... this is just step 1 of their plan!

Again, read the link in post #17...maybe I'm taking it wrong, but my initial thinking is if they think you can shoulder, even stripping down to the b-tube you still gotta sbr??


My bet is this hits the courts & the good guys use EPA vs Va for defense against this...DOJ cannot create law.

[PVDT]

Originally Posted by mmoses

If you bought just the lower, the dealer should have put "Receiver/Frame"

Long gun and pistol is for complete guns only.

Should be interesting! Wonder what the NRA is going to do.

NRA is a joke. They’re not the ones behind all the winning lately.

[Hoggslayer]

I thought I saw just the other day that Bump stocks were legal again?

So If a person was to own a lower with a brace without a upper attached, it all good right?

[bboswell]

Originally Posted by PondPopper

Now THIS is what a pistol looks like boys and girls.. A model 29-2 44 Mag Dirty Harry Special(Unfired so far).. I need a new insert. It's so old it's brittle..
I'm not sure about those black plastic things that y'all are getting worked up about...
When they start coming after these, and they ain't, is when we have a problem...
Attachment 1116042

You have a pretty distorted view of what a problem is!

[PondPopper]

Originally Posted by bboswell

You have a pretty distorted view of what a problem is!

Not at all.. We just think differently..

[Kirks55]

Originally Posted by Hoggslayer

I thought I saw just the other day that Bump stocks were legal again?

So If a person was to own a lower with a brace without aN upper attached, it all good right?

Yep Bump stock ban was overturned.

[ken800]

Originally Posted by Kirks55

Yep Bump stock ban was overturned.

Yes, and if you read or watch a video on the rationale behind the bump stock overturn and the fact that the ATF recently suffered a major setback on the whole "Made in Texas" suppressor lawsuit, the ATF is going to have a very significant amount of difficulty getting the shoulder brace "ban" to hold once it hits the courts. And it will hit the courts.

That said, I'm not sure that the FJB administration necessarily cares or wants a ban to go into effect. They just want to appear trying to do something...

Sadly, I lost my AR pistols when I was out fishing so I don't have to deal with it for now, but once the smoke clears, I'll go out and purchase new ones as I'm pretty certain this is going to end up failing spectacularly in court.

[imyomama]

Originally Posted by PondPopper

Now THIS is what a pistol looks like boys and girls.. A model 29-2 44 Mag Dirty Harry Special(Unfired so far).. I need a new insert. It's so old it's brittle..
I'm not sure about those black plastic things that y'all are getting worked up about...
When they start coming after these, and they ain't, is when we have a problem...
Attachment 1116042

no ... actually based on your description, it's a paper weight... since it's never been fired ... bs aside if you think that as soon as they are done taking everything else , they're just gonna say , but you can keep your dirty harry pistol ?

in their perfect world if all guns besides revolvers were gone , criminals would use revolvers , and democrats would come after them...


it never stops... and the sooner you realize what side you're on the better...

you're either pro 2a or you're not...

this "you have the right to bear arms .... but NOT THIS ONE "... should be all you need to base your decision on.

because they sure are never going to stop nibbling away at the list that's not acceptable..

just look at AZ ... new magazine ban says 9 is max capacity of a firearm .. well guess what .. when they get to 5 ... your 29-2 will be a high capacity firearm and banned too... and that's when you'll decide to make your stand ?

check mate .. and you never even saw it coming!

[Jon B]

Originally Posted by imyomama

actually it sounds like free sbr for everyone .. or is it??

a democrat like a chess player always looks a few moves ahead...

the difference between buying a gun ,doing a background check and an nfa item , is they are allowed to keep registration info on who has the nfa item and more importantly "where" . when you have an nfa item , it has to be kept at the location it is registered and if you move , you have to update it and tell them where it moved to.

by law , only your ffl keeps a copy of your form, and the atf is not supposed to long term document background checks .. so they can't tell who has what or where it goes after the sale. they can't possibly subpoena every ffl dealer in your area to find out if you bought a gun or not. it's not searchable by you.

this however tricks you into willingly sending in all your information and registering what you have....

this also makes it impossible for you to now sell it to anyone without paperwork or even to give it or lend it to anyone or leave it anywhere .

looks to me like they're just trying to use the nfa to click bait you into registering what you got !

i bet the next thing they will try is to make any ar15 part of the nfa too... even rifles... and i'm sure that will be free too .... and when they have final count , then they'll come pick them up , or further regulate what you can and can't do with them.

so you think you gonna save $200 , while you're actually selling away your liberty.

take that brace off ... and run a smooth buffer tube until this nonsense gets overturned in court ... don't fall for it.... this is just step 1 of their plan!

This sounds like exactly what they are trying.

[Jon B]

Originally Posted by PondPopper

Now THIS is what a pistol looks like boys and girls.. A model 29-2 44 Mag Dirty Harry Special(Unfired so far).. I need a new insert. It's so old it's brittle..
I'm not sure about those black plastic things that y'all are getting worked up about...
When they start coming after these, and they ain't, is when we have a problem...
Attachment 1116042

Your naivety is comical. It's all about small steps sir.

[txheartshot]

Originally Posted by imyomama

actually it sounds like free sbr for everyone .. or is it??

a democrat like a chess player always looks a few moves ahead...

the difference between buying a gun ,doing a background check and an nfa item , is they are allowed to keep registration info on who has the nfa item and more importantly "where" . when you have an nfa item , it has to be kept at the location it is registered and if you move , you have to update it and tell them where it moved to.

by law , only your ffl keeps a copy of your form, and the atf is not supposed to long term document background checks .. so they can't tell who has what or where it goes after the sale. they can't possibly subpoena every ffl dealer in your area to find out if you bought a gun or not. it's not searchable by you.

this however tricks you into willingly sending in all your information and registering what you have....

this also makes it impossible for you to now sell it to anyone without paperwork or even to give it or lend it to anyone or leave it anywhere .

looks to me like they're just trying to use the nfa to click bait you into registering what you got !

i bet the next thing they will try is to make any ar15 part of the nfa too... even rifles... and i'm sure that will be free too .... and when they have final count , then they'll come pick them up , or further regulate what you can and can't do with them.

so you think you gonna save $200 , while you're actually selling away your liberty.

take that brace off ... and run a smooth buffer tube until this nonsense gets overturned in court ... don't fall for it.... this is just step 1 of their plan!

Spot on, pretty much sums up my take when I first read about this.


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[Mike D]

Originally Posted by imyomama

actually it sounds like free sbr for everyone .. or is it??

a democrat like a chess player always looks a few moves ahead...

the difference between buying a gun ,doing a background check and an nfa item , is they are allowed to keep registration info on who has the nfa item and more importantly "where" . when you have an nfa item , it has to be kept at the location it is registered and if you move , you have to update it and tell them where it moved to.

by law , only your ffl keeps a copy of your form, and the atf is not supposed to long term document background checks .. so they can't tell who has what or where it goes after the sale. they can't possibly subpoena every ffl dealer in your area to find out if you bought a gun or not. it's not searchable by you.

this however tricks you into willingly sending in all your information and registering what you have....

this also makes it impossible for you to now sell it to anyone without paperwork or even to give it or lend it to anyone or leave it anywhere .

looks to me like they're just trying to use the nfa to click bait you into registering what you got !

i bet the next thing they will try is to make any ar15 part of the nfa too... even rifles... and i'm sure that will be free too .... and when they have final count , then they'll come pick them up , or further regulate what you can and can't do with them.

so you think you gonna save $200 , while you're actually selling away your liberty.

take that brace off ... and run a smooth buffer tube until this nonsense gets overturned in court ... don't fall for it.... this is just step 1 of their plan!

Yep.

Go ahead and willingly give them their registry that they want so bad.


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[Zmaxhunter]

Originally Posted by PondPopper

Now THIS is what a pistol looks like boys and girls.. A model 29-2 44 Mag Dirty Harry Special(Unfired so far).. I need a new insert. It's so old it's brittle..
I'm not sure about those black plastic things that y'all are getting worked up about...
When they start coming after these, and they ain't, is when we have a problem...
Attachment 1116042

Canada banned handguns.. right after they banned their ar15s

The black AR15 was 1st manufactured 5 years before your S&W was 1st manufactured.

[Artos]

Huge pandoras box...from another site:


And then they weaponize the Sporter Clause in GCA68 which allows them to proibit anything they like as "not suitable for sport." Pretty much you'd be lucky to be left with revolvers, lever actions and break-opens in that scenario... NFA is a nuisance but it's not the biggest elephant in the room

Members of congress / NRA / GOA have already called out the admin/doj as this being a registration / confiscation racket...bring on the fireworks.


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gop...onal-overreach

[PondPopper]

Originally Posted by Jon B

Your naivety is comical. It's all about small steps sir.

Not naive at all..
You are concerned and getting worked up about the banning of plastic parts(accessories)..
I'll save my energy for fighting about and for the right to own actual guns..
The two are not the same.. Not even close.

[Artos]

No, you are missing the entire issue pp...they are going after the guns via the brace. This is a really really big deal.

Imagine if they passed a law you could only hold 5 rounds & you had to register your 29 to keep it or throw away the cylinder. All gun owners need to be in this fight.

[Mike D]

Originally Posted by PondPopper

Not naive at all..
You are concerned and getting worked up about the banning of plastic parts(accessories)..
I'll save my energy for fighting about and for the right to own actual guns..
The two are not the same.. Not even close.

Sure they are. Here are your options under this rule:

1) Register your gun with the NFA (tax free for your convenience of course).
2) Remove and/or destroy that evil short barrel upper assembly.
3) Remove and destroy the brace, BUT even the presence of the buffer tube is now constituted as an SBR. So this accomplishes what?
4) Destroy the firearm
5) Turn in the firearm to the ATF

So you either register your GUN, destroy your GUN or turn in your GUN to the ATF.

So anybody that doesn’t believe this is a gateway to register, destroy or confiscate your GUN is a fool.


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[McClain]

Originally Posted by PondPopper

Now THIS is what a pistol looks like boys and girls.. A model 29-2 44 Mag Dirty Harry Special(Unfired so far).. I need a new insert. It's so old it's brittle..
I'm not sure about those black plastic things that y'all are getting worked up about...
When they start coming after these, and they ain't, is when we have a problem...
Attachment 1116042

Not a pistol technically, it’s a revolver.

[trophy8]

Originally Posted by PondPopper

Not naive at all..
You are concerned and getting worked up about the banning of plastic parts(accessories)..
I'll save my energy for fighting about and for the right to own actual guns..
The two are not the same.. Not even close.

If not naive, then you’re stupid lol. Give an inch they’ll take a mile. Doesn’t matter if you “like” the stuff or not.

[Artos]

https://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendm...er-brace-rule/

[PondPopper]

Originally Posted by trophy8

If not naive, then you’re stupid lol. Give an inch they’ll take a mile. Doesn’t matter if you “like” the stuff or not.

Without the stabilizer brace do you still have a firearm/gun?? Yes No??
Just curious.. Are you going to shoot that car jacker or home invader with your stabilizer brace or your firearm?

[Twist]

Originally Posted by PondPopper

Without the stabilizer brace do you still have a firearm/gun?? Yes No??
Just curious.. Are you going to shoot that car jacker or home invader with your stabilizer brace or your firearm?

It’s not about the brace itself, it’s about using the brace, and probably the associated buffer tube, in order to go after the actual firearm. Artos pretty much laid that out in post #67 in this thread.

The brace is just a vessel, and the feds have tried bans/restrictions with other common and previously approved features before. Collapsible stocks, pistol grips, “barrel shrouds”, etc.

[Quackerbox]

Originally Posted by Mike D

Sure they are. Here are your options under this rule:

1) Register your gun with the NFA (tax free for your convenience of course).
2) Remove and/or destroy that evil short barrel upper assembly.
3) Remove and destroy the brace, BUT even the presence of the buffer tube is now constituted as an SBR. So this accomplishes what?
4) Destroy the firearm
5) Turn in the firearm to the ATF

So you either register your GUN, destroy your GUN or turn in your GUN to the ATF.

So anybody that doesn’t believe this is a gateway to register, destroy or confiscate your GUN is a fool.


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Yes!

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[Hoggslayer]

So does the ruling stated that the Brace must be destroyed? Just figured I'd hold on to it until the tide swings back in our favor. That is if I had one. Just asking for a friend.

[TN_boy]

Realistically, how many of you have ever been checked or asked for paperwork. No one knows what they don't know.

[Raider4044]

Originally Posted by Spoiled_TN_boy

Realistically, how many of you have ever been checked or asked for paperwork. No one knows what they don't know.

Never. I’ve been pulled over quite a few times by Game Wardens, State Troopers, and Local LEOs with a suppressed SBR sitting in the passenger seat, and none have ever asked for paperwork or questioned the legality at all.


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[mmoses]

Originally Posted by Hoggslayer

So does the ruling stated that the Brace must be destroyed? Just figured I'd hold on to it until the tide swings back in our favor. That is if I had one. Just asking for a friend.

You don't have destroy the brace

Is the config of the old AR pistols legal? Smooth buffer tube with the foam?

[imyomama]

Originally Posted by PondPopper

Not naive at all..
You are concerned and getting worked up about the banning of plastic parts(accessories)..
I'll save my energy for fighting about and for the right to own actual guns..
The two are not the same.. Not even close.

in Az they are now banning 10 round magazines .. you can only have 9 rounds .. when they get down to 5 say goodbye to your model 29 ... that won't be legal any more ...

it will be like taking candy from a baby .. you'll never see it coming

[duckmanep]

so I have 119 days now to decide if I want to duct tape a brace to my 10/22 and Encore receiver and SBR them for free?

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[imyomama]

Originally Posted by mmoses

You don't have destroy the brace

Is the config of the old AR pistols legal? Smooth buffer tube with the foam?

that's a good question , originally buffer tubes were round .. with introduction of braces , they used multi position buffer tubes with them ...

so now is a multi position buffer tube illegal on a pistol ? it was manufactured as part of a pistol and it's not the brace ...

of course when in doubt they will call it illegal i'm sure. ...

[Artos]

Originally Posted by mmoses

You don't have destroy the brace

Is the config of the old AR pistols legal? Smooth buffer tube with the foam?

Check out the link in post 17...to me it reads if you can shoulder the tube it's a no go??

If this is indeed the case then they are simply trying to register all AR type pistols.

[imyomama]

Originally Posted by trophy8

Then when you register it, you’re practically married to it. Much more difficult to sell.

I’ve got a CZ scorpion I might do. Idk that I wanna keep it though. Everything else is already registered as SBRs. Hmmmmm


NFA backlog is fixing to be endless

i got the same problem .. maybe worth it on the scorpion

can you one shot trust a form1 ?

[Greenheadless]

Originally Posted by PondPopper

Now THIS is what a pistol looks like boys and girls.. A model 29-2 44 Mag Dirty Harry Special(Unfired so far).. I need a new insert. It's so old it's brittle..
I'm not sure about those black plastic things that y'all are getting worked up about...
When they start coming after these, and they ain't, is when we have a problem...
Attachment 1116042

The left LOVES people (or sheep) just like this. Makes it so easy for them.

[trophy8]

Originally Posted by imyomama

i got the same problem .. maybe worth it on the scorpion

can you one shot trust a form1 ?

I’d want it on my trust with all my NFA stuff. It’s the latest model. Nice gun but wasn’t planning on a form 1 so I can cross state lines legally. Decisions!

[PondPopper]

Originally Posted by Greenheadless

The left LOVES people (or sheep) just like this. Makes it so easy for them.

Lol.. I know you don't know me at all and you know it too, and yet here you are just bumping your gums like you always do, trying to be the latest cool kid on the block.
With that being said I can promise you they don't... Unlike like many I'm not a bit worried about losing ANY of my guns.. Haven't lost one in almost 50 years..

[Mike D]

https://youtu.be/4q4EoTbzpmg


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[brrdnk]

Originally Posted by Mike D

Sure they are. Here are your options under this rule:

1) Register your gun with the NFA (tax free for your convenience of course).
2) Remove and/or destroy that evil short barrel upper assembly.
3) Remove and destroy the brace, BUT even the presence of the buffer tube is now constituted as an SBR. So this accomplishes what?
4) Destroy the firearm
5) Turn in the firearm to the ATF

So you either register your GUN, destroy your GUN or turn in your GUN to the ATF.

So anybody that doesn’t believe this is a gateway to register, destroy or confiscate your GUN is a fool.


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I like option 6. Don’t do a **** thing. We bought them legal. I refuse to register or pay a tax or turn in.

[roughneck266]

I would just like to know how this country got to the point of letting law enforcement write laws. Seems like a bit of a conflict of interest to me, yet they have been doing it for quite some time and getting away with it.

[duckmanep]

Originally Posted by imyomama

i got the same problem .. maybe worth it on the scorpion



can you one shot trust a form1 ?

reading that the trust had to already possess the item before 1/13. can't add any of these tax free ones to a trust without paying tax

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[Hoggslayer]

So I guess this means even just the buffer tube make it a illegal. So anything that is shorter than 16 is a SBR.

[LHPanther]

What about all the stores/dealers with braced gun inventory? Sell them as a form 1 item moving forward?

[Black Ice]

Well this is dumb.

Just bought a .300 black out with a sig brace.

Does that mean I won’t be able to carry it across state lines if I were to register it?


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[Clay C]

Originally Posted by Black Ice

Well this is dumb.

Just bought a .300 black out with a sig brace.

Does that mean I won’t be able to carry it across state lines if I were to register it?


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You can, you just have to fill out a form and send it in first.

Land Of The Free, or something…

[wes122984]

Originally Posted by Spoiled_TN_boy

Realistically, how many of you have ever been checked or asked for paperwork. No one knows what they don't know.

Originally Posted by Raider4044

Never. I’ve been pulled over quite a few times by Game Wardens, State Troopers, and Local LEOs with a suppressed SBR sitting in the passenger seat, and none have ever asked for paperwork or questioned the legality at all.


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I could be wrong but I believe only a federal agent can ask for it.

[Raider4044]

Originally Posted by wes122984

I could be wrong but I believe only a federal agent can ask for it.

Anybody can ask. ATF is the only one you legally have to show it to though.


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[locolobo]

Originally Posted by Artos

Bump stock ruling was overturned...

"Not a **** thing like they have for the past 20 years or so. They probably worked WITH the ATF on this"

And it took the NRA all this time to get it through to the Supreme court!
You need to get your ducks in a row fella! It takes years for a lot of this $#!t to work its way through the system and obviously, You do not have the guts to see it through. The NRA did!

[DaveC]

Originally Posted by Mike D

Sure they are. Here are your options under this rule:

1) Register your gun with the NFA (tax free for your convenience of course).
2) Remove and/or destroy that evil short barrel upper assembly.
3) Remove and destroy the brace, BUT even the presence of the buffer tube is now constituted as an SBR. So this accomplishes what?
4) Destroy the firearm
5) Turn in the firearm to the ATF

So you either register your GUN, destroy your GUN or turn in your GUN to the ATF.

So anybody that doesn’t believe this is a gateway to register, destroy or confiscate your GUN is a fool.


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Is welding something on the end of the barrel (flash or blast suppressor) to make the complete barrel length 16 inches still not an option?
I’m caught up in this mess, don’t care to do anything really.
New barrels are a cheap option considering the alternatives.


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[trophy8]

Originally Posted by locolobo

"Not a **** thing like they have for the past 20 years or so. They probably worked WITH the ATF on this"

And it took the NRA all this time to get it through to the Supreme court!
You need to get your ducks in a row fella! It takes years for a lot of this $#!t to work its way through the system and obviously, You do not have the guts to see it through. The NRA did!

Bull ****. The NRA has been garbage for years. They didn’t go to bat on HPA amongst other things. LaPierre is a crook as is half the board.

[RJH1]

All I know is I feel safer now. I'll be able to sleep tonight now that I know those mean pistol braces are off the streets. Unless you've got your proper paperwork of course