ATF has made their ruling

[coker737]

They will never enforce. PERIOD.

[DirtyDave]

Originally Posted by coker737

They will never enforce. PERIOD.

it may not be ATF themselves that come knocking, but if just about any other LEO catches you with your "SBR" you bet they will enforce it. They will be "just doing their job" because "they dont write the laws" and they are "just following orders"

[ATI]

A question for those who say "Come and get it" or something along that line....

If they come to your house with a warrant to see what you have or to confiscate your "illegal" fire arm. What do you plan on doing?

I've been reading a lot of tough talk for years, but never hear about anyone actually resisting the ATF or fighting back or anything. They've slowly domesticated every state and every citizen without the citizens actually realizing they've been had by the balls.

[CRM_95]

Originally Posted by QuackHunter

A few things on this. To be eligible for the free stamp you have to prove ownership of the firearm prior to January 13th. You also have to show that it is in a restricted configuration. IF you do that then the stamps can be filed to you as an individual only and not into a trust. I’d you so desire to have those items on a trust you will have to pay a regular stamp or later form 4 them to yourself and again pay the $200 stamp per.


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I registered my AR pistol yesterday. I plan to just put a stock on it and make a legit SBR. I did it online through the eForms as an individual and it didn't charge me for a stamp and was pretty simple. I'm mailing my prints in today. We'll see how it goes, but they didn't ask for any proof of when it was purchased, etc.

[Clay C]

So what if your amnesty form 1 is denied and the 120 days have lapsed?

According to GOA, the Deputy Director of the ATF confirmed they will enforce this rule against those people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DggOmUXxVWY

[Clay C]

Originally Posted by kae006

You're reading that wrong. The buffer tube is necessary for the operation of the pistol, the brace is not. You can remove (and destroy/permanently alter) the brace and be legal.

It has to do with intent. Braces are just one factor they will use to determine you intend to shoulder fire it. A buffer tube could be used the same way. They ARE saying that a brace means you intend to shoulder fire it, but it isn't the only thing that could make them determine that.

It's clear as mud so they can selectively enforce as they choose.

[coker737]

Originally Posted by DirtyDave

it may not be ATF themselves that come knocking, but if just about any other LEO catches you with your "SBR" you bet they will enforce it. They will be "just doing their job" because "they dont write the laws" and they are "just following orders"

Nothing against LEO. The LEO’s turn a blind eye to stealing $700 from a CVS. They will do the same for something that violates our second amendment rights

[Clay C]

Originally Posted by CRM_95

I registered my AR pistol yesterday. I plan to just put a stock on it and make a legit SBR. I did it online through the eForms as an individual and it didn't charge me for a stamp and was pretty simple. I'm mailing my prints in today. We'll see how it goes, but they didn't ask for any proof of when it was purchased, etc.

There would be no need to provide proof of when it was purchased yet. People keep getting this confused. January 13th was just when the rule was signed by AG Garland. It has yet to be published. All of the dates and time periods for this BS will start when the rule is published.

They do, however, currently consider you to be in violation of a felony.

[Quackerbox]

Originally Posted by DirtyDave

it may not be ATF themselves that come knocking, but if just about any other LEO catches you with your "SBR" you bet they will enforce it. They will be "just doing their job" because "they dont write the laws" and they are "just following orders"

I cant speak for every state/department in the country but I can speak for 3-4 large ones in the area I work and are employed in. Two of which are some of the largest in the nation.

The biggest yea right with your post is............with what man power?????????????????????? Couple that with there is something like a 20% resignation rate and 45% retirement rate from one end of the US to the other. Attrition is killing LE across the board.

[ATI]

Guys,
All jokes aside... THE ONLY THING WE CAN DO, is to flood the governor and your senators and representative's phone and emails with demanding to protect your rights and to stand up to the ATF's Tyranny and flip flop rulings and entrapments.

I just got off the phone with The Governor Abbott's office and my representatives in Collin County and I plan to email and Tweet them as well. I will be doing this a couple of times a week until I hear back and when they call me, before they start to say anything I will let them know I expect a firm action from the people I vote for and a convincing answer instead of spinning me around and giving me a politically correct answer.

As many of you know I'm VERY familiar with Tyranny and having to learn the hard way how to demand for my rights and fight for freedom.

God Bless...

[imyomama]

I just made my ruling ... F the ATF!

[coker737]

Originally Posted by imyomama

I just made my ruling ... F the ATF!

Registration Leads To Confiscation
IMHO the OBiden ATF with lose this in the Courts.
Until then, “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”

[Ham]

Originally Posted by coker737

Registration Leads To Confiscation
IMHO the OBiden ATF with lose this in the Courts.
Until then, “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”

Amen!

[brrdnk]

Now there is this.
https://youtu.be/mOA5R4sfO0A

[Artos]

Yeah, that 88 days denial deal is sorta creepy...he's some legal advice / options from Washington Gun Law & worth a listen for those of you on the fence. I too would advise waiting this out for now.

From his take it sounds like the buffer tube will be considered illegal unless you booger it up to where the brace cannot be reattached.

Now That the Pistol Brace Rule is Here, What Are My Options? - YouTube

[Mike D]

If I owned a pistol I would not rush out to register it.

From what I’m seeing this is set up to trap people who attempt to register them; whether is was done intentionally or due to ineptness.


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[Anon]

[Huntin]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ill...es-into-effect

Most likely the same thing will happen with the Braces.

[chrisk]

Contact our federal elected officials and tell them we might as well elect Democrats next time.
I sent messages to mine. If just 5% of their constituents would do so they would really be thinking they would be out of a job.

[chrisk]

Originally Posted by Huntin

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ill...es-into-effect

Most likely the same thing will happen with the Braces.

Surprisingly almost all the rifle matches I have attended has been in Effingham. If you are not near Chicagoland people really do not feel the same way. It is literally mostly farm ground and very small communities.

[skelsey]

I have always been a law abiding citizen til now!!!

[skelsey]

Originally Posted by CRM_95

I registered my AR pistol yesterday. I plan to just put a stock on it and make a legit SBR. I did it online through the eForms as an individual and it didn't charge me for a stamp and was pretty simple. I'm mailing my prints in today. We'll see how it goes, but they didn't ask for any proof of when it was purchased, etc.

Keep giving in and they will keep banning ****!!

[Artos]

sigh...more very important 411 on this.

BREAKING NEWS: New ATF brace rule forces destruction of imported pistols! - YouTube

[Mike D]

Yep the more you dig the more you find.

And people are lining up to willingly give their information and what they own.

Blows my mind.

Think and research before you act on this.


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[Hoggslayer]

Keep in mind, this is the caliber of ATF agent that might come knocking at your door.

(Language)

https://youtu.be/nwPEtFNZpiI

[Clay C]

Originally Posted by Hoggslayer

Keep in mind, this is the caliber of ATF agent that might come knocking at your door.

(Language)

https://youtu.be/nwPEtFNZpiI

That video always makes me feel warm and fuzzy

[DirtyDave]

Originally Posted by Hoggslayer

Keep in mind, this is the caliber of ATF agent that might come knocking at your door.

(Language)

https://youtu.be/nwPEtFNZpiI

One of the greatest videos of all time!! LOL

[DirtyDave]

Wanna bet the court determines the AFT doesn't have the authority to waive a tax and everyone (who complies) will have to pay it anyways? Law enforcement agencies are not taxing authorities. No Free Cheese... LOL

Kinda like the court said Biden didn't have the authority to waive student loans

[coker737]

Originally Posted by CRM_95

I registered my AR pistol yesterday. I plan to just put a stock on it and make a legit SBR. I did it online through the eForms as an individual and it didn't charge me for a stamp and was pretty simple. I'm mailing my prints in today. We'll see how it goes, but they didn't ask for any proof of when it was purchased, etc.

IMHO…. Registration Leads To Confiscation

[Mike D]

https://youtu.be/YHgN3cn-TUo


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[CRM_95]

Originally Posted by coker737

IMHO…. Registration Leads To Confiscation

People have been registering SBR's and supressors for years and haven't had any issues. I'm not saying there may not be issues down the road, but the truth is every gun you've ever bought new, there's a record of it. They may as well all be registered as it is honestly.

[mmoses]

Originally Posted by CRM_95

People have been registering SBR's and supressors for years and haven't had any issues. I'm not saying there may not be issues down the road, but the truth is every gun you've ever bought new, there's a record of it. They may as well all be registered as it is honestly.

There is a record. But the atf doesn't know what you got unless your FFL went out of business.

And all that record shows that at some point you had it.

NFA tells the atf, make, model, barrel length, caliber, location, exactly who you are.

Easy to see that's a huge difference.

[CRM_95]

Originally Posted by mmoses

There is a record. But the atf doesn't know what you got unless your FFL went out of business.

And all that record shows that at some point you had it.

NFA tells the atf, make, model, barrel length, caliber, location, exactly who you are.

Easy to see that's a huge difference.

Maybe so...I guess what I'm getting at, is I'm not concerned if they know or not. I just wanna build a supressed SBR and this will save me $200. If for whatever reason my stamp is denied, I'll put a full length upper on it and make another rifle. It sucks and it's a BS ruling and an infringement..I get that and there's no arguing it.

There's millions of these out there, and millions of lawfully owned rifles that people have stamps for. I personally know our local ATF guy (yes, we only have one for 3 counties), and they stay stupid busy with bigger fish than this. Local law enforcement doesn't have the manpower to enforce it and the majority won't anyway. I fell pretty safe applying for a stamp.

[mmoses]

What is the general consensus now? Are these three legal?

[Mike D]

Originally Posted by CRM_95

People have been registering SBR's and supressors for years and haven't had any issues. I'm not saying there may not be issues down the road, but the truth is every gun you've ever bought new, there's a record of it. They may as well all be registered as it is honestly.

I’ll believe until this is unraveled in the courts that this is a nefarious move to entrap Americans into being felons.

If I had any of these I would not willingly register them just to save $200.


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[Quackerbox]

Originally Posted by Mike D

I’ll believe until this is unraveled in the courts that this is a nefarious move to entrap Americans into being felons.

If I had any of these I would not willingly register them just to save $200.


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To add its going to be nearly impossible to track down all the stripped lowers that were bought and built as pistols. At best the alphabet squad could subpoena pistol kit/barrel sales records from places like PSA and other online dealers

[Clay C]

Originally Posted by Quackerbox

x2

To add its going to be nearly impossible to track down all the stripped lowers that were bought and built as pistols. At best the alphabet squad could subpoena pistol kit/barrel sales records from places like PSA and other online dealers

Yup, like they recently did with Rainier Arms for 80% frames.


Obviously, This would be a little more difficult for them though. I can't see that being feasible unless they had the support of local LEO. Even then it's iffy.

[imyomama]

for an ar... .. put a $200 16" upper on it , leave the rest as is .. it's now configured as a rifle and they can go pound sand! ... the end!

[npe001]

Originally Posted by mmoses

What is the general consensus now? Are these three legal?

According to their "Ruling" the top would be considered illegal because of the foam is my understanding.. but the other two are not. lol its all bs.

[coker737]

Originally Posted by mmoses

What is the general consensus now? Are these three legal?

According to the 2nd Amendment……..Yes

[imyomama]

Originally Posted by npe001

According to their "Ruling" the top would be considered illegal because of the foam is my understanding.. but the other two are not. lol its all bs.

pretty sure the middle one is too due to the multi position tube ...

[DirtyDave]

Originally Posted by Quackerbox

x2

To add its going to be nearly impossible to track down all the stripped lowers that were bought and built as pistols. At best the alphabet squad could subpoena pistol kit/barrel sales records from places like PSA and other online dealers

Originally Posted by Clay C

Yup, like they recently did with Rainier Arms for 80% frames.


Obviously, This would be a little more difficult for them though. I can't see that being feasible unless they had the support of local LEO. Even then it's iffy.

Weird how they can justify a subpoena for sales that were Legal at the time.

There was a big ATF raid in 2014 of a shop in CA that was selling legal at the time 80% lowers. As far as I know none of those customers on record ever were contacted. Still not cool though

[Artos]

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FOUR HUGE ATF+Law updates, pistol braces, 922r, NFA possession - YouTube

[tps7742]

Thanks Artos for the video.

[Clay C]

FYI, this is live and scheduled to be published tomorrow. Looks like the 120 day countdown starts tomorrow. I'd expect the lawsuits to go live in the morning.

[PVDT]

Looks like they may be growing a spine?? Rep. Andrew Clyde is supposedly submitting a bill to override the atf’s crap. And it appears that he doesn’t need the snowflake led Senate to get it done.


https://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendm...er-brace-rule/

[justletmein]

Originally Posted by PVDT

Looks like they may be growing a spine?? Rep. Andrew Clyde is supposedly submitting a bill to override the atf’s crap. And it appears that he doesn’t need the snowflake led Senate to get it done.


https://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendm...er-brace-rule/

I don't know how that CRA works, do they have the votes for it or is it just for show?

[mmoses]

Just sat through some FFL training.

1. It's on the federal registry. May 21, 2023, is 120 days.
2. ATF says removing the brace is good enough to comply(in most cases)
3. You can only register an SBR if it has a brace on it and is complete with upper and is in possession as of today. ATF says for a trust it needs to be on the Schedule A. No notary is required (if you lie, you are committing perjury). No photos or images are needed.
4. Adjustable buffer tubes are fine. No need to remove it and put in a buffer tube. Construction procession is still an issue.
5. They didn't answer the 88-day question. Only they are working with the FBI.
6. If you register with this special window. You can change to a regular stock after approval.
7. If it takes more than 120, your submittal will be good until you its approved.

[Clay C]

Originally Posted by PVDT

Looks like they may be growing a spine?? Rep. Andrew Clyde is supposedly submitting a bill to override the atf’s crap. And it appears that he doesn’t need the snowflake led Senate to get it done.


https://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendm...er-brace-rule/

Funny. I don't remember anything like this when this happened with bumpstocks. Almost like Repubs are okay with overreach as long as it's their overreach.

[mmoses]

4. SHOULD SAY Adjustable buffer tubes are fine. No need to remove it and put in a PISTOL buffer tube. Construction procession is still an issue.