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Old 10-13-2020, 01:50 AM   #1
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Can or can I not use a deer to help track a wounded deer in the 10 East Texas Counties?

I emailed the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department this question on Oct 2nd. I was always told by locals and coworkers that I could not use a dog or call a tracker to help recover a wounded deer. I was hunting in Angelina, San Augustine and Sabine counties. I have even seen a post just a few days ago on here saying you couldn't use a tracking dog in Jasper County.

Well I recieved an email back today from hunt@tpwd.texas.gov. Their reply is posted below.

"It is illegal to hunt deer with dogs in every county in Texas. You can however, use a dog to track wounded animals in Texas. However, in the 10 counties listed you may not be in possession of a shotgun while tracking a wounded deer during an open deer season with a dog."

So has anyone heard differently this year?

I am going to call the local game warden/s to confirm later today, and will reply back to this thread with their answer.
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Old 10-13-2020, 01:56 AM   #2
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Easy, just carry a rifle, pistol or bow while tracking.
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Old 10-13-2020, 02:15 AM   #3
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Easy, just carry a rifle, pistol or bow while tracking.
Exactly what I thought.

Then why is everyone and their distant relatives telling me and everyone else we cannot track in these counties.
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Old 10-13-2020, 02:21 AM   #4
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I don't remember where the list is but PM Sika I think her and her husband helped legalize some east texas counties. I remember at first Jasper and Newton were not legal it may have changed by now.
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Found an old thread discussing the same topic, to me looks like the it's still prohibited.
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Old 10-13-2020, 02:36 AM   #6
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Can or can I not use a deer to help track a wounded deer in the 10 East Texas Counties?

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You have a deer that tracks other deer?
Can i borrow it, I’m missing a deer as of opening day lol




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Angelina, Jasper, Sabine, and San Augustine all specifically state “Prohibited: All Dogs” under the whitetail section of the hunting rules and regulations on TPWD website. I looked those up because they were mentioned here. I ain’t looking the other counties up it’s pretty easy to go to your county and scroll down to the whitetail deer segment and look for yourself
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It’s still illegal in Hardin County were I manage a lease also.
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Old 10-13-2020, 06:20 AM   #9
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You have a deer that tracks other deer?
Can i borrow it, I’m missing a deer as of opening day lol


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HAHA Got me there.

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Old 10-13-2020, 06:25 AM   #10
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It was illegal in Angelina County last year. I don't think anything has changed.

Absolutely terrible law not to allow tracking dogs in every county. Even if on a leash I could accept it.
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Old 10-13-2020, 06:55 AM   #11
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Exactly what I thought.

Then why is everyone and their distant relatives telling me and everyone else we cannot track in these counties.
Because the practice of hunting deer with dogs is deeply ingrained in the history and traditions of those counties and there a re still a bunch of people doing it.
Eliminates the excuse of "I was tracking a wounded one" I guess?

I can remember as a kid seeing people hunting timber land with packs of dogs and it was illegal then
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Old 10-13-2020, 07:23 AM   #12
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It is still illegal to track a deer with dogs in the 10 East Texas Counties listed. It doesn't matter if you are armed or unarmed, using a dog to track in those counties is still a no go this year.
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Old 10-13-2020, 07:31 AM   #13
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Being in possession of buckshot with dogs in those 10 counties is referring to when you are hunting other animals with dogs such as squirrels hogs etc on land you do not personally own during an open deer season....

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Old 10-13-2020, 07:42 AM   #14
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It is still illegal to track a deer with dogs in the 10 East Texas Counties listed. It doesn't matter if you are armed or unarmed, using a dog to track in those counties is still a no go this year.
If it is still illegal why is TPWD answering my question say that it is legal to track a wounded deer.

Guess the game warden will have final say.
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Old 10-13-2020, 07:58 AM   #15
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I’d stop with their reply you’ve already received and carry it with me.
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Old 10-13-2020, 08:02 AM   #16
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If I had a wounded deer and I needed a dog to find it, I’d put my JRT on the track. Period ! I never let him off a leash anyway so I can’t see the harm in that. I follow the laws, but on that one, I’d have to be an outlaw. In my mind, recovering an animal takes precedence over a silly law. If you want to stop guys running deer with dogs, catch them in the act and fine the hell out of them.
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Old 10-13-2020, 08:08 AM   #17
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I’d stop with their reply you’ve already received and carry it with me.
I should but I want to be 100% with out a doubt that i am in the right. This would also clear the air for everyone else.
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Wow, ya'll are making this difficult. You cannot hunt deer with dogs anywhere in Texas. You can use tracking dogs in Texas to find a wounded deer. In every county. All of them. But, there are 10 counties (the heart of the old dog-running area) where you just can't carry a shotgun while tracking a deer with dogs.
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Old 10-13-2020, 08:20 AM   #19
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Once again do not follow the information from that email. The email answer combined two seperate statutes that are unrelated. Contact a Game Warden from one of the 10 counties. I know several Wardens from at least 5 of those 10 counties personally. It is illegal at this time to use a dog to track wounded deer in those counties. All Game Warden phone numbers are listed on the TPWD website by County. I sent you a PM with a number to one of them who will answer your call today. I already contacted him about the email response.
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Old 10-13-2020, 08:21 AM   #20
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Wow, ya'll are making this difficult. You cannot hunt deer with dogs anywhere in Texas. You can use tracking dogs in Texas to find a wounded deer. In every county. All of them. But, there are 10 counties (the heart of the old dog-running area) where you just can't carry a shotgun while tracking a deer with dogs.
False.
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Old 10-13-2020, 08:21 AM   #21
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Ignorant law imo. What does it hurt having a tracking dog on leash? Nothing, heck just tell them you are taking your dog on a walk.
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Old 10-13-2020, 08:24 AM   #22
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It is not legal to track with a dig in Angelina, Hardin, Jasper, Nacogdoches, Newton, Orange, Sabine, San Augustine, Shelby and Tyler counties.
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Old 10-13-2020, 08:51 AM   #23
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It looks like it’s not illegal to use a tracking to find a wounded deer but it is illegal to be in possession of a firearm while you do so...
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It looks like it’s not illegal to use a tracking to find a wounded deer but it is illegal to be in possession of a firearm while you do so...
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Old 10-13-2020, 09:01 AM   #25
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OP, I would talk with your local GW for clarification. I may be wrong, but I am not sure you emailed the correct folks at TPWD. You need to get a response from their law enforcement division, not public hunts I would think.

Ultimately, it up to your local GW though in his/her interpretation.
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Lord have mercy yall. I reached out to friends at TPWD. Hopefully the OP will receive another email fixing this soon. The email he received was not from the LE division. It was from the education department and public hunting staff, not law enforcement.

Once again in the 10 LISTED East Texas Counties, by law you CANNOT use a dog to track a wounded deer period at this time.... doesn't matter if you are unarmed. Period you cannot use a dog to track a wounded deer.
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OP, I would talk with your local GW for clarification. I may be wrong, but I am not sure you emailed the correct folks at TPWD. You need to get a response from their law enforcement division, not public hunts I would think.

Ultimately, it up to your local GW though in his/her interpretation.
Perfect .
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It is not legal to track with a dig in Angelina, Hardin, Jasper, Nacogdoches, Newton, Orange, Sabine, San Augustine, Shelby and Tyler counties.
Stop making this difficult, Brent!!

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Lord have mercy yall. I reached out to friends at TPWD. Hopefully the OP will receive another email fixing this soon. The email he received was not from the LE division. It was from the education department and public hunting staff, not law enforcement.

Once again in the 10 LISTED East Texas Counties, by law you CANNOT use a dog to track a wounded deer period at this time.... doesn't matter if you are unarmed. Period you cannot use a dog to track a wounded deer.
its literally in the regs under every one of the counties mentioned. It states, sandwiched in between the Antlerless Deer section and the MLDP section, Prohibited: All Dogs

And yes, I took the few minutes to look at all 10 counties this morning
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Wow, ya'll are making this difficult. You cannot hunt deer with dogs anywhere in Texas. You can use tracking dogs in Texas to find a wounded deer. In every county. All of them. But, there are 10 counties (the heart of the old dog-running area) where you just can't carry a shotgun while tracking a deer with dogs.

What makes it difficult for people to understand in all of the incorrect answers they get, like yours....
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What makes it difficult for people to understand in all of the incorrect answers they get, like yours....
This.

Also....

It’s perfectly acceptable to say either “I don’t know” or to say nothing at all.
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This.

Also....

It’s perfectly acceptable to say either “I don’t know” or to say nothing at all.
Where’s the fun in that?
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Here it is under the “unlawful to” section of the 2020 Outdoor Annual App
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But if you are on your land in the 10 counties, you can have a shotgun with Buckshot/slugs in your possession and also, you can track deer with more than two dogs in the 10 counties.

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I'll also add that asking the GW about laws is no guarantee you'll get a "right" answer either! GW's are not all created equal! The whole TPWD is a screwed up mess and is run by a Commission that is no friend of hunters and fisherman in Texas.
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But if you are on your land in the 10 counties, you can have a shotgun with Buckshot/slugs in your possession and also, you can track deer with more than two dogs in the 10 counties.

On land you privately own you can have a shotgun with buckshot while hunting squirrels hogs whatever with your dogs (not deer)... on your deer lease no.

But.... you still cannot use a dog to track deer in the 10 counties listed. Even unarmed.
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Wow, ya'll are making this difficult. You cannot hunt deer with dogs anywhere in Texas. You can use tracking dogs in Texas to find a wounded deer. In every county. All of them. But, there are 10 counties (the heart of the old dog-running area) where you just can't carry a shotgun while tracking a deer with dogs.
Wrong!
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Old 10-13-2020, 10:52 AM   #37
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I'll also add that asking the GW about laws is no guarantee you'll get a "right" answer either! GW's are not all created equal! The whole TPWD is a screwed up mess and is run by a Commission that is no friend of hunters and fisherman in Texas.
Who else would charge/ticket you than the GW you queried??
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Lord have mercy yall. I reached out to friends at TPWD. Hopefully the OP will receive another email fixing this soon. The email he received was not from the LE division. It was from the education department and public hunting staff, not law enforcement.

Once again in the 10 LISTED East Texas Counties, by law you CANNOT use a dog to track a wounded deer period at this time.... doesn't matter if you are unarmed. Period you cannot use a dog to track a wounded deer.


100% correct. It’s the law if you like it or not. It’s doesn’t matter what you’re opinion is. If a game warden gives you the wrong answer then educate him. Go ask a game warden in one of these counties where it’s illegal. I’ve fought that law in Hardin County for years. I’ve had threads on here about it. I hate it, but it’s still the law.
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On land you privately own you can have a shotgun with buckshot while hunting squirrels hogs whatever with your dogs (not deer)... on your deer lease no.

But.... you still cannot use a dog to track deer in the 10 counties listed. Even unarmed.
I only said that in sarcasm because it does not directly say you can’t do those two things.

I just do what I “need” to do and keep it in the fences.
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Who else would charge/ticket you than the GW you queried??
I think he is meaning that all of our GWs don’t know every law by heart and you may get mixed answers from them. If you email the law division at TPWD you will get the answer from the horses mouth.
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My goodness it’s been illegal in these 10 Counties for 40 years, and some people still don’t know about it.
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My goodness it’s been illegal in these 10 Counties for 40 years, and some people still don’t know about it.
Wow, that long now. Makes me feel old , I hunted legally with dogs back in college. Not my cup 'o tea but not all did it the same way.
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All right yall. I had Warden Stormy King reach out to me to clarify the situation. Even the Public Hunt Staff said they they mis interpreted that rule.

We can not use dogs to hunt or track wounded deer, regardless of having a shotgun, in the 10 counties listed.

Sorry for all the confusion and big shout out to Warden King for clarifying this issue.
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All right yall. I had Warden Stormy King reach out to me to clarify the situation. Even the Public Hunt Staff said they they mis interpreted that rule.

We can not use dogs to hunt or track wounded deer, regardless of having a shotgun, in the 10 counties listed.

Sorry for all the confusion and big shout out to Warden King for clarifying this issue.
Looks like you finally got a correct answer
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Looks like you finally got a correct answer


And to think TBH Lawyer Dude that was instrumental is opening up most of East Texas to tracking couldn’t be believed
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Looks like you finally got a correct answer


Finally? The correct answer was in post 12 and repeated several times.
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Old 10-14-2020, 10:08 AM   #47
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Who was on Third base again
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Finally? The correct answer was in post 12 and repeated several times.
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Old 10-14-2020, 02:13 PM   #49
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Seems like profiling to me...
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Seems to me that there is no law against taking your dog for a walk after the hunt on a leash in those Counties.. May end up on the GW thread though
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