Bird shot in your personal carry

[westtexducks]

If you need to be shot you need to be dead

Perfectly said. Shoot to kill or don’t shoot at all.


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[trophy8]

Watch some police videos and watch how many rounds lots of folks soak up before the threat is eliminated. That alone will give you your answer. Horrible idea.

[okrattler]

If a big pack rat broke into my house and pulled a knife on me I still wouldn't shoot it with bird shot out of a pistol. Wouldn't do nothin but hurt it.

If a person is trying to kill me I want bullets,slugs or buckshot.

[MisterB]

Thanks guys, I’ll reserve my bird shot for the river and deer lease. Appreciate the replies.

[TacticalCowboy]

Let me think….

Nope.

[be12hunt]

I agree that if I pull my carry weapon it is to end a threat, but since we are talking about it.
What if a slightly wider pattern, even if only a couple inches, is able to connect whenever a hollow point might have missed? Maybe that buys you enough time to collect yourself and put more lead down range. I personally think that in most situations a hollow point would be the best chance of eliminating the threat, but like to play devils advocate.

A different question, what about a couple rounds of rat/bird shot in a pistol or shotgun that is used for home defense?

[Mike D]

I agree that if I pull my carry weapon it is to end a threat, but since we are talking about it.
What if a slightly wider pattern, even if only a couple inches, is able to connect whenever a hollow point might have missed? Maybe that buys you enough time to collect yourself and put more lead down range. I personally think that in most situations a hollow point would be the best chance of eliminating the threat, but like to play devils advocate.

A different question, what about a couple rounds of rat/bird shot in a pistol or shotgun that is used for home defense?

Waste of time with #9 or #12 rat shot in an already anemic pistol round.

You’ll get varying opinions here on bird shot for home defense. All I’ll say is I will never use it for that purpose but there are plenty of ways to educate yourself and form your own opinion on that.


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[trophy8]

I agree that if I pull my carry weapon it is to end a threat, but since we are talking about it.
What if a slightly wider pattern, even if only a couple inches, is able to connect whenever a hollow point might have missed? Maybe that buys you enough time to collect yourself and put more lead down range. I personally think that in most situations a hollow point would be the best chance of eliminating the threat, but like to play devils advocate.

A different question, what about a couple rounds of rat/bird shot in a pistol or shotgun that is used for home defense?

They won’t even cycle the gun properly. You can play devils advocate but the likelihood of you being in a major bind running bird shot is a very very probability.

[okrattler]

I agree that if I pull my carry weapon it is to end a threat, but since we are talking about it.
What if a slightly wider pattern, even if only a couple inches, is able to connect whenever a hollow point might have missed? Maybe that buys you enough time to collect yourself and put more lead down range. I personally think that in most situations a hollow point would be the best chance of eliminating the threat, but like to play devils advocate.

A different question, what about a couple rounds of rat/bird shot in a pistol or shotgun that is used for home defense?

From a lot of the things I've heard and read over gun fights is you don't even know when you're hit a lot of times. Bird shot in a pistol wouldn't penetrate anything but flesh, not even that if the person getting shot with it has even a few layers of clothing on. If you even hit your target. They don't have to be very far before the pattern is so wide you'd be lucky just to get a few on target.

In a shotgun I'd like my chances a lot better using bird shot but I wouldn't be shooting 2 3/4" #7 1/2 shot. If given a choice 3 1/2" #4 turkey loads most likely. Bird shot is for birds. But if I had a choice and I had to use it to defend my life using a shotgun that's what I'd use if I didn't have anything else.

[SJP51]

I often carry a 5-shot snub nosed 38sp with #7 1/2 bird shot in the first 2 cylinders. Does a decent job on snakes inside 6-ft. That ammo is near impossible to find anymore.

Shot a guys .410 derringer once. 2 3/4" shells with #8's. At 10 yards not a single pellet hit a sheet of paper. They were spreading FAST! What a usesless weapon even for snakes.

I guess pistol fired bird shot against perps is better than nothing. But not by much. Besides, you stand a really good chance of hitting someone else with the pattern.

[okrattler]

I often carry a 5-shot snub nosed 38sp with #7 1/2 bird shot in the first 2 cylinders. Does a decent job on snakes inside 6-ft. That ammo is near impossible to find anymore.

Shot a guys .410 derringer once. 2 3/4" shells with #8's. At 10 yards not a single pellet hit a sheet of paper. They were spreading FAST! What a usesless weapon even for snakes.

I guess pistol fired bird shot against perps is better than nothing. But not by much. Besides, you stand a really good chance of hitting someone else with the pattern.

My Uncle has a Bond Arms Defender in 45lc and .410 bore. I shot it once and it's pretty much the same way. I suppose if you shot at someone with it at least he'd be deaf for the rest of his life. That was the loudest gun I've ever shot. I wasn't a fan just because of that.

[Jon B]

Yeah..... absolutely not.

[bullets13]

For self-defense you need real bullets. If you’re close enough to hurt them with bird or rat shot, you’re close enough to put a hollow point on target. If they’re any distance away at all you’re just going to make them mad.

[Voodoo]

There is a reason for center body mass under stress, it is more stationary.

[BTLowry]

Happened to see a short video using birdshot (out of 9mm I think) into ballistic gel

1.5 inches penetration point blank.

No doubt it would hurt but not what I would use