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Brazos Hunter 12-05-2019 03:55 PM

DIY flats skiff
 
Well, I cannot afford nor justify a $30k two-man flats skiff when I have a perfectly good Majek in the driveway but I have a strong desire for one. I have wanted to build a slick little skiff from scratch for a few years now so, no time like the present!

I have already received orders for fiberglass, resin, paint, grab bar, outboard motor, lights, navigation system and a ton of other parts/pieces. Tomorrow evening I will be picking up the trailer from a TBHer in Victoria.
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Today I ordered the Okoume marine plywood. Paying to have it drop shipped here at the house was worth the extra scratch instead of taking time out to drive to Waco to pick it up! This should arrive early next week.

If no other hiccups happen construction should begin shortly after Christmas. Fortunately for me my best friend has been wanting to build one too for some time so this will be a joint build. We will be building the Salt Boatworks FRS-14 and showcasing our progress here.


https://www.saltboatworks.com/produc...iver-skiff-14/



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Easttxbowman 12-05-2019 03:59 PM

This will be sweet!

BlackHogDown 12-05-2019 04:06 PM

Looking forward to the build.

Ginja Ninja 12-05-2019 04:14 PM

If all goes to plan, put me in line as your first customer for your second build.

Aggiehunter08 12-05-2019 04:19 PM

This is going to be cool.

Hoggslayer 12-05-2019 04:45 PM

I always wanted to do this but my honey-do list is too long.

bigchiefj 12-05-2019 04:48 PM

That's neat. Be prepared to find cured epoxy on everything you own now!

Brazos Hunter 12-05-2019 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoggslayer (Post 14558532)
I always wanted to do this but my honey-do list is too long.



Mine is as long as my arm too Jay. I made a deal with my bride that I would knock out the biggest project on the list, a bathroom remodel but afterwards I am taking a break to build the boat. Iím almost finished with the remodel with a Christmas deadline.


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Cullbuck 12-05-2019 04:57 PM

that is sweet, ill be glued to this if all goes well im going to have to think seriously about the 15 footer!

hog_down 12-05-2019 05:01 PM

Very cool, in for progress and updates.

Brazos Hunter 12-05-2019 05:04 PM

I will say this, on the Salt Boatworks site and Bateau (Boat Builders Central) site they say a skiff this size can be built for $1,200-$1,500. That very well could be true if you do not want things like paint or a motor. I will not post what we already have in it prior to starting but I will say I pasted those amounts some time back.



Michael

Dirtymike 12-05-2019 05:23 PM

very interesting

K_Wittenburg 12-05-2019 05:50 PM

Tuned in!

Brazos Hunter 12-05-2019 05:55 PM

I have no idea why my materials picture turned out the way it did? Will try reposting it and add in the gloves, clamps, rollers and tip brushes picked up today from HF.
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Kossetx 12-05-2019 06:23 PM

Want some help? I'm available for 2 weeks a Christmas. Have tools, will travel.

Brazos Hunter 12-05-2019 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Kossetx (Post 14558717)
Want some help? I'm available for 2 weeks a Christmas. Have tools, will travel.



I appreciate it! Not sure when I will actually start. After Christmas I start a 7 day/night shift in a row run. Had to cover for a buddy that took off so I actually wonít start until after the New Year. You are welcome to swing by anytime. As far as tools go I believe we are good. I have a plethora collecting dust.



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TeamAmerica 12-05-2019 07:10 PM

Awesome project. I'm following for sure!

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Tomkat70 12-05-2019 07:53 PM

Cool, following

Mconner 12-05-2019 08:20 PM

Ha I’m in for this one brother.. sounds like it’s gonna be awesome I’m jealous��

bobc 12-05-2019 08:24 PM

In! This is gonna be neat to watch.


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CabezaBlanca 12-05-2019 08:32 PM

In!

sharkhunter 12-05-2019 09:05 PM

Friend of mine built a scooter type flats boat. It ran as skinny as any boat on the market.

Brazos Hunter 12-05-2019 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sharkhunter (Post 14559147)
Friend of mine built a scooter type flats boat. It ran as skinny as any boat on the market.



This one drafts 2Ē loaded and 5Ē at 850 lbs of load (max). I plan to fabricate a 3Ē manual setback jack plate so I can run a couple inches higher.




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gigem95 12-05-2019 09:41 PM

Iíve got a small burn bar from an RFL if you need one.


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Brazos Hunter 12-05-2019 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by gigem95 (Post 14559256)
Iíve got a small burn bar from an RFL if you need one.


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Thanks bud! Iíll take you up on that!!!



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LivinADream 12-06-2019 06:38 AM

I'm in.

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hunterburch42 12-06-2019 08:35 AM

Following this is gonna get good!


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Brazos Hunter 12-07-2019 08:06 AM

DIY flats skiff
 
If anyone has been thinking about and wants to fabricate their own skiff from a sent of plans and drawings, I have a couple Bateau sets I am not using that could be sold. We will be building the middle one.


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gatorgrizz27 12-08-2019 07:33 AM

A little bit of feedback, I’m almost done with my flats boat build.

I’d return that paint if I were you and go with something else. Besides being very difficult to get a smooth finish, it never really hardens fully. I found this was typical of one part paints. I used the special brushing thinner they recommend, rolled and tipped it in proper temp ranges, kept a wet edge, etc, and I just wasn’t thrilled with it. The sea foam green did seem between than the white FWIW.

I also wasn’t a huge fan of their fairing compound. It’s really sticky/gummy and seemed to work harden really quickly, meaning you spread it on, run a Bondo spreader across it to pick up the excess, spread that on the next spot, and after doing that a couple times over 2-3 minutes it becomes too hard to spread smoothly.

The biggest game changer by far was the Thixo epoxy in caulk tubes. Unfortunately I didn’t come across it until the end of my project, I think it would have saved me days worth of time and sanding. The biggest issue I had was with fillets, small gaps between panels, etc. You can have really clean fiberglass laminations but then bonding something to it causes a run or high spot you have to go back and sand multiple times.

https://www.amazon.com/TotalBoat-Thi...s%2C179&sr=8-4

With the Thixo I’m fairly certain you could glass the plywood, feather the edges and knock down the tooth on the cloth, use it to fill the weave, sand it with 220 ONE time , prime it, then fill the pinholes with it using a razor blade, sand again with 220, and paint.

The other really nice thing is that you mix it as you go by squeezing the tube, meaning you can work for as long as you want without worrying about the epoxy curing in the cup before you use it up and then stopping and mixing more. It’s really hard to explain how helpful it is.

Brazos Hunter 12-08-2019 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gatorgrizz27 (Post 14563973)
A little bit of feedback, Iím almost done with my flats boat build.

Iíd return that paint if I were you and go with something else. Besides being very difficult to get a smooth finish, it never really hardens fully. I found this was typical of one part paints. I used the special brushing thinner they recommend, rolled and tipped it in proper temp ranges, kept a wet edge, etc, and I just wasnít thrilled with it. The sea foam green did seem between than the white FWIW.

I also wasnít a huge fan of their fairing compound. Itís really sticky/gummy and seemed to work harden really quickly, meaning you spread it on, run a Bondo spreader across it to pick up the excess, spread that on the next spot, and after doing that a couple times over 2-3 minutes it becomes too hard to spread smoothly.

The biggest game changer by far was the Thixo epoxy in caulk tubes. Unfortunately I didnít come across it until the end of my project, I think it would have saved me days worth of time and sanding. The biggest issue I had was with fillets, small gaps between panels, etc. You can have really clean fiberglass laminations but then bonding something to it causes a run or high spot you have to go back and sand multiple times.

https://www.amazon.com/TotalBoat-Thi...s%2C179&sr=8-4

With the Thixo Iím fairly certain you could glass the plywood, feather the edges and knock down the tooth on the cloth, use it to fill the weave, sand it with 220 ONE time , prime it, then fill the pinholes with it using a razor blade, sand again with 220, and paint.

The other really nice thing is that you mix it as you go by squeezing the tube, meaning you can work for as long as you want without worrying about the epoxy curing in the cup before you use it up and then stopping and mixing more. Itís really hard to explain how helpful it is.



Makes total sense to me. Thank you!




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timoub007 12-08-2019 10:29 PM

To add to what gator said, I have built my own from BBC plans too.
I looked at the Salt Works link and one thing I recommend doing different is to use very fine sawdust power/flour to make your fillet mix and not the fumed silica they mention. I believe that the sawdust will be a much stronger joint and the silica would make a brittle joint.

It will not weigh what they say nor draft as shallow as they claim either since this is your first build. I would say that it will take several builds to learn the materials, trust their recommendations and not over build. I added some custom features to my build, against Jacques recommendations on one (I put a tunnel in my boat) and am happy with my results. I bought a few other sets of plans and really want to build at least one more if not a couple. It takes a lot of late nights and some weekends to push this over the goal line. It did not help my build that a major hurricane hit our area in the middle of my project either. Now having kids really took all the extra time and energy I had back then.

Good luck and I'll be following for the results. It is addicting!!!

T

Brazos Hunter 12-09-2019 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timoub007 (Post 14565793)
To add to what gator said, I have built my own from BBC plans too.
I looked at the Salt Works link and one thing I recommend doing different is to use very fine sawdust power/flour to make your fillet mix and not the fumed silica they mention. I believe that the sawdust will be a much stronger joint and the silica would make a brittle joint.

It will not weigh what they say nor draft as shallow as they claim either since this is your first build. I would say that it will take several builds to learn the materials, trust their recommendations and not over build. I added some custom features to my build, against Jacques recommendations on one (I put a tunnel in my boat) and am happy with my results. I bought a few other sets of plans and really want to build at least one more if not a couple. It takes a lot of late nights and some weekends to push this over the goal line. It did not help my build that a major hurricane hit our area in the middle of my project either. Now having kids really took all the extra time and energy I had back then.

Good luck and I'll be following for the results. It is addicting!!!

T



I was thinking seriously about trying sawdust because I have a good 30 gallons in the collection bag. This is my first build but not the first time using the materials though it has been a few decades since I have done any bodywork.


The wood has shipped and Iím chomping at the bit to get started.




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gatorgrizz27 12-09-2019 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timoub007 (Post 14565793)
To add to what gator said, I have built my own from BBC plans too.
I looked at the Salt Works link and one thing I recommend doing different is to use very fine sawdust power/flour to make your fillet mix and not the fumed silica they mention. I believe that the sawdust will be a much stronger joint and the silica would make a brittle joint.

It will not weigh what they say nor draft as shallow as they claim either since this is your first build. I would say that it will take several builds to learn the materials, trust their recommendations and not over build. I added some custom features to my build, against Jacques recommendations on one (I put a tunnel in my boat) and am happy with my results. I bought a few other sets of plans and really want to build at least one more if not a couple. It takes a lot of late nights and some weekends to push this over the goal line. It did not help my build that a major hurricane hit our area in the middle of my project either. Now having kids really took all the extra time and energy I had back then.

Good luck and I'll be following for the results. It is addicting!!!

T

I agree that the wood flour makes a better fillet mix, just empty out your sander bag as you go. The wood and fiberglass mixture works and sands well. I found the fumed silica/microballoon mix to be better for stuff like shaping the keel though. It is much harder and won’t chip out from an impact like the wood mixture might.

It is extremely addicting, I’m still wrapping up my build but have been brainstorming about a duck/drift boat next!

Brazos Hunter 12-10-2019 06:17 AM

DIY flats skiff
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gatorgrizz27 (Post 14568044)
I agree that the wood flour makes a better fillet mix, just empty out your sander bag as you go. The wood and fiberglass mixture works and sands well. I found the fumed silica/microballoon mix to be better for stuff like shaping the keel though. It is much harder and wonít chip out from an impact like the wood mixture might.

It is extremely addicting, Iím still wrapping up my build but have been brainstorming about a duck/drift boat next!



I do know what you mean! I havenít even started fabrication and already have the next one in the works. Fortunately Chris Morejohn has allowed me to bend his ear and pick his brain and together we are designing what I feel is the ďperfectĒ boat.

Yesterday we received an email that the wood has shipped. I didnít mind the delay because I wonít be available to receive it until Friday anyway. Hopefully here in a couple three weeks I will have something actually worth posting but until then, keep the ideas and advice coming!




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gatorgrizz27 12-10-2019 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brazos Hunter (Post 14568413)
I do know what you mean! I havenít even started fabrication and already have the next one in the works. Fortunately Chris Morejohn has allowed me to bend his ear and pick his brain and together we are designing what I feel is the ďperfectĒ boat.

Yesterday we received an email that the wood has shipped. I didnít mind the delay because I wonít be available to receive it until Friday anyway. Hopefully here in a couple three weeks I will have something actually worth posting but until then, keep the ideas and advice coming!




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Interesting, you willing to share any specs/design goals? Chris is a great guy, besides all his work in the past his Conchfish plans have been a huge benefit for home builders to make production quality boats with actual resale value.

The low value of wood home builds can be a benefit too though. If the wife gets after you to sell it you can tell her youíll never get what you have in it. ;)

Hoggslayer 12-10-2019 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brazos Hunter (Post 14568413)
Together we are designing what I feel is the ďperfectĒ boat.

If ya'll need some CAD design work done hit me up. I can make 3D Models, drawings and Flat patterns of all of it.

Brazos Hunter 12-10-2019 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gatorgrizz27 (Post 14568632)
Interesting, you willing to share any specs/design goals? Chris is a great guy, besides all his work in the past his Conchfish plans have been a huge benefit for home builders to make production quality boats with actual resale value.



The low value of wood home builds can be a benefit too though. If the wife gets after you to sell it you can tell her youíll never get what you have in it. ;)



Right now we have just been talking here and there. His new Beryllium design with a tunnel is almost spot on just a larger spray rail on my idea.



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kevin nicholls 12-10-2019 07:54 PM

One of these days it'll be my turn to build one. I just finished a Jon boat to skiff conversion that I really liked doing. Building my own is next. Good luck with the build.

sotol 12-11-2019 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brazos Hunter (Post 14558541)
Mine is as long as my arm too Jay. I made a deal with my bride that I would knock out the biggest project on the list, a bathroom remodel but afterwards I am taking a break to build the boat. Iím almost finished with the remodel with a Christmas deadline.


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That lady sure knows how to get her projects finished!!! Lol.

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Brazos Hunter 12-11-2019 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by sotol (Post 14571146)
That lady sure knows how to get her projects finished!!! Lol.

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I know right! I reckon I got a smart one.



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Brazos Hunter 12-11-2019 07:46 AM

Well I just received a call, one of the guys here has or is about to have my plywood on their truck to deliver today or tomorrow! Which one of you delivers for AAA? Tim said you thought it mightíve been for me...small world! I am scheduled to get off and should be home around 1645.





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T-REX 12-11-2019 08:34 AM

That's something I have always wanted to do. Good luck!

kruppa24 12-11-2019 08:37 AM

Can’t wait to see the progress

Brazos Hunter 12-11-2019 05:38 PM

I am more than a little upset and disappointed! The pictures will speak for themselves as to what I found when I got home.

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Brazos Hunter 12-11-2019 07:13 PM

Needless to say, my build start will be delayed slightly. I have refused the shipment due to damages incurred during freight. My original plan was to slip out to the shop Monday during a remodeling break and begin layout then cut/scarph when ready/time permits. This way I could go right into assembly mid/late week. Now the replacement order is due to arrive mid to late week. Such is life I guess!





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Hoggslayer 12-11-2019 08:58 PM

Was that delivered by one of our guys ? I hope not.

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Brazos Hunter 12-12-2019 04:55 AM

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Was that delivered by one of our guys ? I hope not.

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AAA...no signature by the driver either. I just wish they would have delivered it when we had it scheduled for (when I was home) because I would have refused it then and there. Now the guy is going to have to comeback and get this $1k pack of fire starter off my porch.



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Brazos Hunter 12-12-2019 03:31 PM

A replacement order has been shipped and should arrive midweek. I am very impressed with the way BBC has handled this!




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K_Wittenburg 12-17-2019 10:38 AM

Ouch I’d be a tad upset if I got home to that on my porch.

Bluedevil 12-17-2019 12:11 PM

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I built a bateau phantom 18 starting back in 2001. I was working in fits and starts, but I finished it in 2008. I ended up redoing the transom last year because I was developing a few motor well cracks. I wish I had built it stronger the first time. Lots of sweat and sanding in the project, but it is a point of pride in running a boat you build yourself.


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