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Lip 01-28-2021 01:09 PM

The 2021 Thermal and Night Vision Thread
 
As mentioned in the 2020 thread, it's time for a new one especially considering all of the new optics that have been released and are being released in the near future.

If your looking for more info on thermalís and night vision call our friendly neighborhood thermal dude, Jason at:

Outdoor Legacy

(877)350-1818

https://outdoorlegacygear.com



The Late Night Vision Show podcast

http://thelatenightvisionshow.com

YouTube Link

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ATXArcher 01-28-2021 02:35 PM

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westtexducks 01-28-2021 05:06 PM

Nobody had a chance to get the Thermion XM30 out and get some video yet? This is only video I have found so far. Think as of now it should be able to do anything I could ever need or want but is nice to get to see videos of it in action first.


Fordnandez 01-28-2021 06:30 PM

Aint nothing wrong with that image quality for $2300. For someone who needs a 3.5x base mag and doesn't want to spend a ton this is a steal.

Lip 01-28-2021 06:47 PM

The 2021 Thermal and Night Vision Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by westtexducks (Post 15437151)
Nobody had a chance to get the Thermion XM30 out and get some video yet? This is only video I have found so far. Think as of now it should be able to do anything I could ever need or want but is nice to get to see videos of it in action first.



Yep, lot of new scopes being released and everyone is slow on getting up videos that show their capabilities. If you have enough room to need 3.5 power and it meets your budget, it appears to be a good scope. My fields arenít big enough for that high power so Iím going with the Thermion XQ38 2.5 power on my AR and Rattler TS35 2.2 power for my handheld/loaner.

Fordnandez 01-28-2021 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lip (Post 15437370)
Yep, lot of new scopes being released and everyone is slow on getting up videos that show their capabilities. If you have enough room to need 3.5 power and it meets your budget, it appears to be a good scope. My fields arenít big enough for that high power so Iím going with the Thermion XQ38 2.5 power on my AR and Rattler TS35 2.2 power for my handheld/loaner.

When funds are availible I am going to try to do what you did with the Rattler.

gingib 01-29-2021 09:44 AM

Seen several vidoes posted of the XM30 thermal on Instagram

muzzlebrake 01-29-2021 02:30 PM

Sightmark Wraith 4k max 3-24x50

What's the skinny on these scopes? Available yet?

westtexducks 01-29-2021 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gingib (Post 15438352)
Seen several vidoes posted of the XM30 thermal on Instagram

I scrounged up 2-3 more on youtube but the optic has been in hands for 3 weeks at this point. Was hoping to at least have some one do an in depth review by now with some kill footage. They don't even have the XM30 on pulsars website yet which is mind boggling as well.

Lip 01-29-2021 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by muzzlebrake (Post 15439001)
Sightmark Wraith 4k max 3-24x50

What's the skinny on these scopes? Available yet?


From OutdoorLegacyGearís website: UPDATE: January 27, 2021
**Production has been extremely limited due to the coronavirus delays, with only a few hundred Wraith 4K's having been produced so far. Sightmark is expecting some more shipments over the coming months but because to the small production numbers expected, we are advising customers to expect at least a 4 to 5 month wait time for new back orders placed.

MadHatter 01-29-2021 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lip (Post 15439050)
From OutdoorLegacyGearís website: UPDATE: January 27, 2021
**Production has been extremely limited due to the coronavirus delays, with only a few hundred Wraith 4K's having been produced so far. Sightmark is expecting some more shipments over the coming months but because to the small production numbers expected, we are advising customers to expect at least a 4 to 5 month wait time for new back orders placed.

Dang!
Found a Wraith HD bnib for $400 earlier today.
Guy has 3 of them.
Anyone have an opinion on them...?
Seems they are kinda basic and eat up cr123 like nobodies business from I've been reading.

gingib 01-29-2021 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MadHatter (Post 15439061)
Dang!
Found a Wraith HD bnib for $400 earlier today.
Guy has 3 of them.
Anyone have an opinion on them...?
Seems they are kinda basic and eat up cr123 like nobodies business from I've been reading.

If you want a good scope.....run;)b

GregO 01-29-2021 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MadHatter (Post 15439061)
Dang!
Found a Wraith HD bnib for $400 earlier today.
Guy has 3 of them.
Anyone have an opinion on them...?
Seems they are kinda basic and eat up cr123 like nobodies business from I've been reading.

The Wraith HD is not the same as a Wraith 4K pro. There are two models of the Wraith HD, 2x base magnification (newer one) and 4x base magnification (original)(4K pro is 3x). Both of these use AA batteries in the unit and 123A in the illuminator. I have not had any issues with battery life. I have however started using a Sniper Hog light with rechargeable batteries instead. I have both models, and prefer the 2x for the wider field of view. I'm typically hunting thick cover and shots are less than 100 yards. I have posted several videos on the youtube if interested. $400 is cheap, they are worth it, but pick the right one.

Lip 01-29-2021 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregO (Post 15439200)
The Wraith HD is not the same as a Wraith 4K pro. There are two models of the Wraith HD, 2x base magnification (newer one) and 4x base magnification (original)(4K pro is 3x). Both of these use AA batteries in the unit and 123A in the illuminator. I have not had any issues with battery life. I have however started using a Sniper Hog light with rechargeable batteries instead. I have both models, and prefer the 2x for the wider field of view. I'm typically hunting thick cover and shots are less than 100 yards. I have posted several videos on the youtube if interested. $400 is cheap, they are worth it, but pick the right one.


I agree with this though I havenít looked through the 4x. I recently bought the 2X and use the Sniper Hog Light 66 LRX Illuminator. 4X would have too narrow a field of view for me but if youíre hunting a feeder or large fields, it would probably be fine.

cehorn 01-29-2021 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregO (Post 15439200)
The Wraith HD is not the same as a Wraith 4K pro. There are two models of the Wraith HD, 2x base magnification (newer one) and 4x base magnification (original)(4K pro is 3x). Both of these use AA batteries in the unit and 123A in the illuminator. I have not had any issues with battery life. I have however started using a Sniper Hog light with rechargeable batteries instead. I have both models, and prefer the 2x for the wider field of view. I'm typically hunting thick cover and shots are less than 100 yards. I have posted several videos on the youtube if interested. $400 is cheap, they are worth it, but pick the right one.

Agree except I had the 4x and was very happy with it. I've never looked thru the 2x. Now I have the 4k and love it as well. I do mainly hunt feeders and open fields. I added the Sniper Hog light with the 4k. I've shot numerous pigs out to 125 yds at night and my kids have shot a few deer (in the day time). No complaints here.

MadHatter 01-29-2021 05:40 PM

Appreciate the feedback ;)b.
The three he has are all 4x.

Quote:

Originally Posted by gingib (Post 15439195)
If you want a good scope.....run;)b

Yeah, I've read good and bad.
Either they really really hate it, or it's not bad at all :D.
What were your issues with it?
Most likely not going to buy it anyway, just getting impatient waiting on the W-4K.
IMO the cost of the W-4K seems pretty cheap, if it's as good as people say...

muzzlebrake 01-29-2021 05:51 PM

I wonder how many W-4k max have been produced so far? Seems there might be just one laying around somewhere and that's all I need:D

muzzlebrake 01-29-2021 06:25 PM

Found a site that says it will be in stock Feb 1st, 2021.

GregO 01-29-2021 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cehorn (Post 15439277)
Agree except I had the 4x and was very happy with it. I've never looked thru the 2x. Now I have the 4k and love it as well. I do mainly hunt feeders and open fields. I added the Sniper Hog light with the 4k. I've shot numerous pigs out to 125 yds at night and my kids have shot a few deer (in the day time). No complaints here.

There's nothing wrong with the 4X if that fits your hunting style. Like I said, I hunt thick cover, all shots have been less than 100 yards, and actually, most less than 50 yards. The 2x version is just better for me. I still have the 4x version as well, not ready to let it go yet, still a good scope for the longer range hunting. I was on the wait list for a Wraith 4k Max, it took so long that I just used that money for a Thermion XP50. I still like hunting with NV, but thermal is amazing. So now I have 2 NV scopes, 1 thermal, and on the list for another thermal, it is an addiction. (fair warning to everyone) , :)

Fordnandez 01-30-2021 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MadHatter (Post 15439332)
Appreciate the feedback ;)b.
The three he has are all 4x.



Yeah, I've read good and bad.
Either they really really hate it, or it's not bad at all :D.
What were your issues with it?
Most likely not going to buy it anyway, just getting impatient waiting on the W-4K.
IMO the cost of the W-4K seems pretty cheap, if it's as good as people say...

For $400 I dont think there is a better valued scope. The only thing I dont like on the one I have acccess to is the 4x base mag. It is just too much for the distances I hunt. We run an external battery pack to take care of the battery issue. We od have an aftermarket IR light but the one that comes with it is pretty good. Thermal is a better option but you will be spending $2k plus.

TX03RUBI 01-30-2021 03:36 PM

IMO the 4X SUCKS. I much prefer the 2X. If I hunted from a blind over a feeder I think the 4X would be ok, but not for my style.

kruppa24 01-30-2021 04:07 PM

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Shot this one last night between the eyes at 75 yds with Halo LR .300 blackout itís a deadly combination.

muzzlebrake 01-30-2021 05:35 PM

OK, so I went and pulled the trigger on the W-4K max today. Supposed to be here Wed. Feb 3rd. Probably mount it on .308 a-bolt rifle that already has a picatinny on it. What else do I need besides some spare lithium batteries?
I also can mount it on my M4 flat top but really want to be able to switch it back and forth on different guns.

imyomama 01-30-2021 05:54 PM

this was my wraith hd 4x ... unfortunately a couple weeks after taking this video it started shooting 6" groups at 100 .. sent it for repair , they couldn't fix it so I paid extra and they are supposed to ship me a 4k ... been waiting over a month, but they said they now have one allocated .. they received 400 of them ... hopefully in a few weeks it will show up on my door ... i really liked the hd, but i agree , the field of view is small ... as you can see in the video , i didn't even zoom in for these kills ..

imyomama 01-30-2021 06:01 PM

trijicon reap-ir is still my favorite .. i just got a cable to add a dvr to it .. video quality sucks , it doesn't give it justice , this was last night .. didn't realize i turned off the gas on my gun (war receiver) so it didn't cycle ... only got one shot, and cable came unplugged ..
friend of mine just got the new ATN and he likes it .. looks great but he keeps having to send it back due to glitches ... i think for the money, the thermion are hard to beat ..

Outdoor Legacy 02-01-2021 12:46 AM

Hey guys I've been getting a lot of questions about the soon to be released iRay Rico 640 MK1 for $5,999. Hans and I did a full field review of it last week on The Late Night Vision Show and you can check it out below.

Warning: there have been a couple guys here who have complained that our reviews are 45 mins long. This is a weekly podcast and our reviews are IN DEPTH. If you want a quick 5 minute run down of just the specs, someone else will do that. If you want a 10-15 minute review with a lot of video from the scope in the field and a shorter condensed review, Hans will have that soon on his Youtube Channel, HansETX. But if you're considering a $6,000 scope and want to know everything about it.....check out the video below. After 143 weeks straight, we've found what works for us and our listeners, so we're sticking to it for now. Thanks guys.

- Jason


duckmanep 02-01-2021 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MadHatter (Post 15439061)
Dang!
Found a Wraith HD bnib for $400 earlier today.
Guy has 3 of them.
Anyone have an opinion on them...?
Seems they are kinda basic and eat up cr123 like nobodies business from I've been reading.

Great price and great scopes for the money. It's not thermal, but it doesn't come with the thermal price tag either. I would recommend getting a handheld thermal scanner though as it makes finding the critters 100x easier and you will find other uses for it as well (animal recovery, scanning before daylight when bowhunting, neighborhood watching, etc..). But for shooting, the Wraith does just fine.

Fordnandez 02-01-2021 05:46 PM

Wanted to give you guys some first hand experience on battery life on my Thermion XP50 and Axion XM30. I have been reading a whole lot of conflicting stories on forums and FB groups saying how terrible the battery life is. I went coyote hunting Saturday evening into Sunday morning and I wanted to get some real first hand data on the battery life more to prove to myself I wasn't crazy or delisiounal.

We hunted for about 6.5 hours. I timed our stands which is how long my devices were running. We hunted for just over 3 hours out of the 6.5 hours. I was turing the unit on and off during driving, stalking and setting up at a stand. At the end of our hunt my thermion went through the APS2 removable battery (smaller battery that comes with it) completely and the internal battery had 85% left. On my Axion XM30 which only has the removable APS3 had 17% battery left. We were NOT recording video or had the wifi activiated for streaming. I also have both of them set on the semi auto setting for the NUC. I do not get carried away with the amount of times I NUC it but I have no information of how much this helps with battery life if any.

Are there scopes out there that have better battery life? Of course. It would be foolish to say that it has better battery life than say the Trail XP50. With that said I was slap wore out by the end of our hunt and I couldnt have imagined of staying up long enough to run the battery dead in the Thermion.

What I will suggest is to get a spare APS3 battery. This is a no brainer for someone like me who has a Thermion and Axion so the APS3 battery works in both. I was running dangerously close to the Axion running out of juice so having the spare APS3 battery kept me from worrying I was going to run it dead.

Long story short I think there is nothing wrong with the battery life and what it provides is very respectable and more than sufficient for the average thermal hunter. As mentioned before I have seen a bunch of what I think is bad information posted in the internet and I had a dealer say he had a guy that said the APS2 battery would last 30 mins and the APS3 last 45 mins and I just think these are folks that are trying to stir up mess or they have a defective battery and/or device because everyone that I know that actually has one of these devices have experienced what I have.

TX03RUBI 02-01-2021 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fordnandez (Post 15444364)
Wanted to give you guys some first hand experience on battery life on my Thermion XP50 and Axion XM30. I have been reading a whole lot of conflicting stories on forums and FB groups saying how terrible the battery life is. I went coyote hunting Saturday evening into Sunday morning and I wanted to get some real first hand data on the battery life more to prove to myself I wasn't crazy or delisiounal.

We hunted for about 6.5 hours. I timed our stands which is how long my devices were running. We hunted for just over 3 hours out of the 6.5 hours. I was turing the unit on and off during driving, stalking and setting up at a stand. At the end of our hunt my thermion went through the APS2 removable battery (smaller battery that comes with it) completely and the internal battery had 85% left. On my Axion XM30 which only has the removable APS3 had 17% battery left. We were NOT recording video or had the wifi activiated for streaming. I also have both of them set on the semi auto setting for the NUC. I do not get carried away with the amount of times I NUC it but I have no information of how much this helps with battery life if any.

Are there scopes out there that have better battery life? Of course. It would be foolish to say that it has better battery life than say the Trail XP50. With that said I was slap wore out by the end of our hunt and I couldnt have imagined of staying up long enough to run the battery dead in the Thermion.

What I will suggest is to get a spare APS3 battery. This is a no brainer for someone like me who has a Thermion and Axion so the APS3 battery works in both. I was running dangerously close to the Axion running out of juice so having the spare APS3 battery kept me from worrying I was going to run it dead.

Long story short I think there is nothing wrong with the battery life and what it provides is very respectable and more than sufficient for the average thermal hunter. As mentioned before I have seen a bunch of what I think is bad information posted in the internet and I had a dealer say he had a guy that said the APS2 battery would last 30 mins and the APS3 last 45 mins and I just think these are folks that are trying to stir up mess or they have a defective battery and/or device because everyone that I know that actually has one of these devices have experienced what I have.

I’ve timed my XG50 a few times to see what it’s capable of. Some nights are horrible, and some don’t seem as bad. I’ve got 2 APS2, 1 APS3, and the internal battery. Most nights I hunt I need all of them. Other nights I can run just the APS3 and internal battery. So far I’ve only really used it in cold weather, so that’s not even a major factor. Most nights between 25-40*.

For reference I’ve had a couple Trails and normally carry a Helion XP50. The Helion is usually around 50% after a FULL night hunting with the smaller IPC7 battery. My XP50LRF would start on its second IPC7 around 4:30-5am and we usually hunt to 6ish. The XP38 would just barely make it a full night.

Fordnandez 02-01-2021 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TX03RUBI (Post 15444556)
Iíve timed my XG50 a few times to see what itís capable of. Some nights are horrible, and some donít seem as bad. Iíve got 2 APS2, 1 APS3, and the internal battery. Most nights I hunt I need all of them. Other nights I can run just the APS3 and internal battery. So far Iíve only really used it in cold weather, so thatís not even a major factor. Most nights between 25-40*.

For reference Iíve had a couple Trails and normally carry a Helion XP50. The Helion is usually around 50% after a FULL night hunting with the smaller IPC7 battery. My XP50LRF would start on its second IPC7 around 4:30-5am and we usually hunt to 6ish. The XP38 would just barely make it a full night.

I was hunting in around 50 degree weather. I know the colder weather will use more battery life but I sure wouldn't think if affected it that much. If my previous history held up I would get around 10 hours of run time with 2 APS2's, 1 APS3 and the internal battery. Maybe the XG drains the battery quicker with the better sensor.

Fordnandez 02-02-2021 12:44 PM

Old video of my first hunt with the Axion XM30 before they enabled the audio.

https://youtu.be/lPE5lx-bfvE

gingib 02-02-2021 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fordnandez (Post 15444631)
I was hunting in around 50 degree weather. I know the colder weather will use more battery life but I sure wouldn't think if affected it that much. If my previous history held up I would get around 10 hours of run time with 2 APS2's, 1 APS3 and the internal battery. Maybe the XG drains the battery quicker with the better sensor.

Post us some kill videos of your XG please.

Black Ice 02-02-2021 01:37 PM

In. May be in the market at some point this year or early next.


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Fordnandez 02-02-2021 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gingib (Post 15445950)
Post us some kill videos of your XG please.

I dont have an XG. A friend of mine does and we have only been hunting together once and we got skunked so no video of any kills yet.

TX03RUBI 02-02-2021 04:37 PM

The videos I’ve watched don’t do the XG vs XP justice IMO. Comparing them in person the difference is definitely more noticeable. Either way both are quality units.

Outdoor Legacy 02-02-2021 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TX03RUBI (Post 15446463)
The videos Iíve watched donít do the XG vs XP justice IMO. Comparing them in person the difference is definitely more noticeable. Either way both are quality units.

That's true. The recorded video on the XP looks better than the XG recorded video does but the XG is absolutely as good as the XP through the eye piece.

Jason

Aggiebowhunter03 02-02-2021 08:13 PM

Has anyone seen through the AGM Rattler? Wondering how the clarity compares to the Hogster. I’m on the fence between the two.

Lip 02-02-2021 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aggiebowhunter03 (Post 15446866)
Has anyone seen through the AGM Rattler? Wondering how the clarity compares to the Hogster. Iím on the fence between the two.


Iíve heard Hogster is maybe 5% better in native resolution but Rattler may edge it out in 2X native. Iíd love to see video comparisons as well.

lnester 02-02-2021 09:59 PM

Hey guys, I'm going to pull the trigger on a thermal this year. Our lease has 2 or 3 big wheat fields, about 500 yards across. So shots of 100 to 250 yds would be likely. Maybe also sit at a blind or two, with shots around 100 to 200 yds.

What do you recommend for my first thermal? I want to shoot pigs and coyotes. Would mount on my 6.5 Grendel or my 5.56.

Budget: under $3000. I assume that's a big enough budget?

duckmanep 02-02-2021 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lnester (Post 15447120)
Hey guys, I'm going to pull the trigger on a thermal this year. Our lease has 2 or 3 big wheat fields, about 500 yards across. So shots of 100 to 250 yds would be likely. Maybe also sit at a blind or two, with shots around 100 to 200 yds.

What do you recommend for my first thermal? I want to shoot pigs and coyotes. Would mount on my 6.5 Grendel or my 5.56.

Budget: under $3000. I assume that's a big enough budget?

I'm sure Jason can get you hooked up... but for pigs there is no reason to shoot 100+ yards. They are pretty dumb at night and you can easily walk within 50 yards of them if the wind is in your favor.

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Lip 02-02-2021 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lnester (Post 15447120)
Hey guys, I'm going to pull the trigger on a thermal this year. Our lease has 2 or 3 big wheat fields, about 500 yards across. So shots of 100 to 250 yds would be likely. Maybe also sit at a blind or two, with shots around 100 to 200 yds.

What do you recommend for my first thermal? I want to shoot pigs and coyotes. Would mount on my 6.5 Grendel or my 5.56.

Budget: under $3000. I assume that's a big enough budget?


Do you want video recording capabilities? Sound with video? There are several sub-$3k scopes that have been announced and about to be shipped so youíll get a more educated answer in a month or two but keep your eyes on the Bering Optics Hogsters and AGM Rattlers. Both have a couple models in your price range. Hogsters would need an external DVR for recording, Rattlers have onboard recording. If you can put several hundred more dollars with it the Pulsar Thermion XQ38 would be a good option. It has recording and sound. Call Jason with Outdoor Legacy Gear. Heíll ask some questions and give you a solid recommendation.

Outdoor Legacy 02-03-2021 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aggiebowhunter03 (Post 15446866)
Has anyone seen through the AGM Rattler? Wondering how the clarity compares to the Hogster. Iím on the fence between the two.

Yes sir I've been testing them for a couple months. Side by side with the comparable model Hogsters and the image quality is extremely similar. Sometimes I see no real difference and sometimes I see maybe a 5% difference. I was seeing about a 10% difference at first but I toyed with the settings and boosted the brightness more than I normally would and it really helped.

They are both great scopes and extremely similar. The Rattler is appealing because he includes an American Defense QD mount (it pushes the scope far enough back for bolt guns too!), it has internal video recording, a better button/control layout and it cost less. Hogsters have been around for over a year and will continue to sell well because of their known quality and the 4 year warranty (3 yr on the Rattler) but the Rattlers are going to be extremely popular this year for good reason.

Jason

Outdoor Legacy 02-03-2021 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lnester (Post 15447120)
Hey guys, I'm going to pull the trigger on a thermal this year. Our lease has 2 or 3 big wheat fields, about 500 yards across. So shots of 100 to 250 yds would be likely. Maybe also sit at a blind or two, with shots around 100 to 200 yds.

What do you recommend for my first thermal? I want to shoot pigs and coyotes. Would mount on my 6.5 Grendel or my 5.56.

Budget: under $3000. I assume that's a big enough budget?


If you topped your budget out just a touch higher and you'll really be shooting 100+ yards all the time, I'd highly suggest the Bering Optics Super Hogster 3x magnification. Great image quality and the 3x will be a big help once you get out over 100 yards. If you have to keep the budget down below $3,000 you could go with the Hogster 35 or AGM Rattler 35, 2x and 2.1x magnification respectively but you're going to find yourself zooming up a lot and losing your image quality. If you're really doing a lot over 100+ you could go with the new Pulsar Thermion XM30 3.5x, which is a lot of mag for close range shooting but great for the longer shots and it's very affordable at $2295.

Feel free to call me some time if you'd like to discuss all the options in detail. I'm going to go ahead and tell you that thermals right now are exactly like ammo and it's probably going to be that way for at least a few more months. I'd plan ahead in case the scope you decide on has a wait to get it. Right now guys are calling all over wanting scopes for coyote tournaments that start in 1-3 weeks and they have a 0% chance of getting one. Just be aware of the current supply/demand issues.

Jason
(877)350-1818
outdoorlegacygear.com

Lip 02-03-2021 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Outdoor Legacy (Post 15447773)
If you topped your budget out just a touch higher and you'll really be shooting 100+ yards all the time, I'd highly suggest the Bering Optics Super Hogster 3x magnification. Great image quality and the 3x will be a big help once you get out over 100 yards. If you have to keep the budget down below $3,000 you could go with the Hogster 35 or AGM Rattler 35, 2x and 2.1x magnification respectively but you're going to find yourself zooming up a lot and losing your image quality. If you're really doing a lot over 100+ you could go with the new Pulsar Thermion XM30 3.5x, which is a lot of mag for close range shooting but great for the longer shots and it's very affordable at $2295.

Feel free to call me some time if you'd like to discuss all the options in detail. I'm going to go ahead and tell you that thermals right now are exactly like ammo and it's probably going to be that way for at least a few more months. I'd plan ahead in case the scope you decide on has a wait to get it. Right now guys are calling all over wanting scopes for coyote tournaments that start in 1-3 weeks and they have a 0% chance of getting one. Just be aware of the current supply/demand issues.

Jason
(877)350-1818
outdoorlegacygear.com


Jason, are you recommending the Super Hogster over the Thermion XQ38 or is this recommendation based on the price with the Super Hogster being $180 less than the XQ38?


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imyomama 02-03-2021 03:36 PM

i'm going to be on the lookout for a good but budget spotter , all my shots are under 200 yards , and i don't need bells and whistles ... just something i can just fire up and look around as i'm driving around ... i have a reap-ir for the actual work, helmet mount would be a bonus , I use a pvs 14 right now , but i've been busted a few times when they saw me first .. it wouldn't have happened with thermal. .. anyhow .. input appreciated

duckmanep 02-03-2021 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by imyomama (Post 15448609)
i'm going to be on the lookout for a good but budget spotter , all my shots are under 200 yards , and i don't need bells and whistles ... just something i can just fire up and look around as i'm driving around ... i have a reap-ir for the actual work, helmet mount would be a bonus , I use a pvs 14 right now , but i've been busted a few times when they saw me first .. it wouldn't have happened with thermal. .. anyhow .. input appreciated

I may have a slightly used Pulsar Axion Key for sale soon if that is a model that interest you.

pervis 02-03-2021 04:50 PM

Ive got a flir ps32 i could sell if anyone wants a spotter. Use a reap ir myself.

imyomama 02-03-2021 05:00 PM

doing some research , i'm leaning toward the agm micro tm384

muzzlebrake 02-04-2021 04:32 PM

My Wraith 4K max came today. Now for the learning curve. I did turn it on and image is crystal clear in daylight and color is natural but vivid. Waiting for night to get here. Meanwhile charging the internal battery and figuring out which gun it goes best with. Menu's gonna take some learning but I think once the proper settings are made it will a matter of just hitting the on button.


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