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    carbon arrows ... help!

    OK, I know almost nothing about carbon arrows, other than the numbers and brand on the shaft. I purchased my current bow from a TBH 'er and it came with all carbon arrows. Have heard pros and cons on both but they shoot well, they're very fast. I would like to have a few more, for backups or whatnot but can't find the type/model that came with the bow.
    I'm sure everyone on here will have opinions on what they think is best, or worst. Can you give me suggestions on arrows that may match these? They are Beman, ICS Hunter Pros, in Lost Camo, spine is 400, length is 29 1/8" from insert to nock end of shaft (no nock).
    Last edited by tdwinklr; 08-25-2022, 07:03 AM. Reason: error

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    what is your draw weight. 400 spine is for fairly low draw weight

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      #3
      Originally posted by Javelin View Post
      what is your draw weight. 400 spine is for fairly low draw weight
      The last time it was checked was about 63 # ? Was tuned at the shop and I haven't changed it.

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        #4
        A 400 spine at 29 and 1/8 length with 63lbs draw might be on the weak side. You might consider bumping up to a 340 spine. Look at the manufacture spine chart though...

        I used to shoot Beman, then I switched to Easton Axis then they went way up on price, now I shoot Goldtip Hunter XTs. 340 spine cut at 28 3/4 inch long, 64lbs on the heavy side, 28.5 inch draw length. Love them and they are relatively inexpensive. I buy the bare shafts ($8 something a shaft) and fletch them, but before taxes and shipping they come out to roughly $11 an arrow fletched, cut, and inserts glued in.

        I bet you would be happy with them. But I am only one person.

        On Lancaster, they have 15 reviews for the bare shaft option, 3 four-star reviews, 1 three-star review, 11 five star reviews. The fletched have 9 five-star reviews.

        I am not affiliated with Goldtip ;p
        Last edited by Bmetz117; 08-25-2022, 10:57 AM.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Bmetz117 View Post
          A 400 spine at 29 and 1/8 length with 63lbs draw might be on the weak side. You might consider bumping up to a 340 spine. Look at the manufacture spine chart though...

          I used to shoot Beman, then I switched to Easton Axis then they went way up on price, now I shoot Goldtip Hunter XTs. 340 spine cut at 28 3/4 inch long, 64lbs on the heavy side, 28.5 inch draw length. Love them and they are relatively inexpensive. I buy the bare shafts ($8 something a shaft) and fletch them, but before taxes and shipping they come out to roughly $11 an arrow fletched, cut, and inserts glued in.

          I bet you would be happy with them. But I am only one person.

          On Lancaster, they have 15 reviews for the bare shaft option, 3 four-star reviews, 1 three-star review, 11 five star reviews. The fletched have 9 five-star reviews.

          I am not affiliated with Goldtip ;p
          yeah, sounds like its on the weak side, going by what you and Javelin are saying. And looking at carbon charts. I used to shoot aluminum arrows in another bow and I thought those numbers went the other way on spine strength? I'm confused.
          So the smaller carbon numbers = a stiffer spine for a higher draw weight?
          Are all carbon arrows the same diameter too?

          I appreciate the input.

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            #6
            Smaller numbers are stiffer and generally heavier, if I remember correctly except for older Carbon Express. There are different diameter shafts as well.

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              Originally posted by tdwinklr View Post
              yeah, sounds like its on the weak side, going by what you and Javelin are saying. And looking at carbon charts. I used to shoot aluminum arrows in another bow and I thought those numbers went the other way on spine strength? I'm confused.
              So the smaller carbon numbers = a stiffer spine for a higher draw weight?
              Are all carbon arrows the same diameter too?

              I appreciate the input.


              I'm confused to dont worry 😂

              Like Razorback01 said, the smaller the spine number the stiffer the spine.

              Then cutting an arrow shorter will also stiffen the spine.

              I may get corrected on this one, but I think adding weight to the front will weaken the spine.

              Diameter wise. There are different diameter arrows. I think they typically advertise inside diameter.
              I think the hunter XTs are around 6.5 inside diameter and 7.5ish outside diameter.

              Smaller diameter buck the wind better and increase penetration. That's a rabbit hole I stay out of.

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                #8
                Beeman has been owned for many years by Easton. A few years ago, they ended the Beeman line but still make the same arrows as Easton Hunters.

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                  #9
                  I would go with at least a 340 spine, if not a 300 spine. I come from the camp of rather be over spined than under. Also I have kinda been sprinkled with fairy dust and I like high FOC and a heavier arrow ( only around 500 grains, but I shoot a 150 grain head). The heavier you make your front end the stiffer arrow you need (300 spine). if shooting a 100 grain head 340 will probably work, but I bet a 300 will fly just as good if not better

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Javelin View Post
                    I would go with at least a 340 spine, if not a 300 spine. I come from the camp of rather be over spined than under. Also I have kinda been sprinkled with fairy dust and I like high FOC and a heavier arrow ( only around 500 grains, but I shoot a 150 grain head). The heavier you make your front end the stiffer arrow you need (300 spine). if shooting a 100 grain head 340 will probably work, but I bet a 300 will fly just as good if not better
                    I appreciate it. Would be nice if a shooting range had one of each that I could try before sinking too much cash into a new set of arrows and it be off a little. Most of my stuff is not over 125 grn heads.

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                      #11
                      The reason the lower number is stiffer is because it is a deflection measurement. The shafts are measured by putting them on pegs 28” apart and hanging a 2 pound weight on them placed in the center. The measurement is how far the shaft bends at the center. 300 shafts deflect .300 of an inch under the 2 pound load. 400 bend .400. 340 bend .340”. Aluminum arrows are measured the same but are sold by diameter in hundredths of an inch and wall thickness in thousandth’s of an inch. A 2117 deflects .400 of an inch so it’s a 400 shaft.

                      Im not sure what carbon express has going on. Their 250 is a 400 shaft I think.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by KenWood View Post
                        The reason the lower number is stiffer is because it is a deflection measurement. The shafts are measured by putting them on pegs 28” apart and hanging a 2 pound weight on them placed in the center. The measurement is how far the shaft bends at the center. 300 shafts deflect .300 of an inch under the 2 pound load. 400 bend .400. 340 bend .340”. Aluminum arrows are measured the same but are sold by diameter in hundredths of an inch and wall thickness in thousandth’s of an inch. A 2117 deflects .400 of an inch so it’s a 400 shaft.

                        Im not sure what carbon express has going on. Their 250 is a 400 shaft I think.

                        😯 check that out I learned something this morning!!!

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by KenWood View Post
                          The reason the lower number is stiffer is because it is a deflection measurement. The shafts are measured by putting them on pegs 28” apart and hanging a 2 pound weight on them placed in the center. The measurement is how far the shaft bends at the center. 300 shafts deflect .300 of an inch under the 2 pound load. 400 bend .400. 340 bend .340”. Aluminum arrows are measured the same but are sold by diameter in hundredths of an inch and wall thickness in thousandth’s of an inch. A 2117 deflects .400 of an inch so it’s a 400 shaft.

                          Im not sure what carbon express has going on. Their 250 is a 400 shaft I think.
                          now I get the visual, thanks. Makes sense now.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by KenWood View Post
                            The reason the lower number is stiffer is because it is a deflection measurement. The shafts are measured by putting them on pegs 28” apart and hanging a 2 pound weight on them placed in the center. The measurement is how far the shaft bends at the center. 300 shafts deflect .300 of an inch under the 2 pound load. 400 bend .400. 340 bend .340”. Aluminum arrows are measured the same but are sold by diameter in hundredths of an inch and wall thickness in thousandth’s of an inch. A 2117 deflects .400 of an inch so it’s a 400 shaft.

                            Im not sure what carbon express has going on. Their 250 is a 400 shaft I think.
                            so tell me this, the 400s I'm shooting now shoots great but supposedly my bow needs to shoot at least a 340, or 300. Is the deflection the main issue or is there a possibility these 400s could come apart/explode during the release?

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by tdwinklr View Post
                              so tell me this, the 400s I'm shooting now shoots great but supposedly my bow needs to shoot at least a 340, or 300. Is the deflection the main issue or is there a possibility these 400s could come apart/explode during the release?
                              There is always a chance one explodes at release. Being too weak don’t help on that front. I think as long as you don’t front load the arrow too much and it is not damaged you will be fine. Do broadheads hit with your field tips? If they plane then that will indicate wrong spine unless you are way out of tune on your rest. I just started back with a compound. I learned a lot about arrow spine with traditional. Spine is all we have to tune with a stick bow. The best way to tell is with a bare shaft. If a bare shaft groups with your fletched shaft it is good. I shoot 70# with the compound and 300’s. I think the spine charts are the best place to start but that is only a start. Get a big broadhead to fly like your field tips and everything else is up the shooter. Also when looking at spine charts remember your arrow length is from the valley of the nock to the back of the point.

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