East Texas Power Plant shut down

[Hogmauler]

Hallsville power plant will be shut down in 2023. Folks this bad bad news. This plant powers parts of Texas, Louisiana, and Arkansas. Why? The Sierra Club and other green e c o organizations have filed a lawsuit against the EPA for failure to monitor and enforce green guidelines. I’m paraphrasing here.
I totally agree that we have to be good stewards of Gods creation but not in a way that literally will create hardships in peoples lives. And death in some instances if the elderly can’t hear their homes. Please start or continue to pray for the downfall of these Marxist organizations and for Gods mercy upon or nation that has fallen so far away from Him and His precepts.

[Tyrex750]

Has nothin to do with God, its dumbass people.

[rolylane6]

Dumb*** or not, they're still under His authority.

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[Man]

So they are shutting it down in 2023 regardless of whether or not the area's it supplies will have an alternative source in place day of shutdown?

[HogHunter34]

It’s the Californians moving in bringing their environmental focus with them. They will knock out coal burners one by one. Same thing happened to Big Brown in Fairfield & there’s another on radar for a 2028 shutdown

[CEO]

https://www.marshallnewsmessenger.co...1d835ef85.html

[Hogmauler]

Originally Posted by Man

So they are shutting it down in 2023 regardless of whether or not the area's it supplies will have an alternative source in place day of shutdown?

Southwestern Electric Power Company, SWEPO, “ elected to shuttle the plant after an economical analysis weighing the cost of environmental compliance and needed maintenance “
They went on to say that this will devastate towns like Marshall, Kilgore, Carthage etc. They are not done either folks. They have seven other plants inTexas in their sights.

[Hogmauler]

Originally Posted by rolylane6

Dumb*** or not, they're still under His authority.

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Well said Roly. How arrogant can people be to actually think we are going to control the climate.

[lovemylegacy]

We need to shut “them” down and send them back to Cali

What are our politicians doing about this?

[Wampuscat]

This was the most important part of that article. Its in the last paragraph.

The meeting was sponsored by the Just Transition Fund, a nonpartisan grantmaking organization helping coal communities navigate economic transitions away from fossil fuels.

Every time you see the word "transition" in an article or spoken by a politician, you should be worried for your future.

[Hogmauler]

We as a nation, or half a nation has to find a non violent way to shut this bull shat down for good.

[Lost10mm]

Unfortunately, this will continue because our government doesn't want to step in and help the plants come current or stop those who are shutting them down. Maybe they haven't noticed, but our energy grid has already had struggles before shutting down plants.

[Quackerbox]

They already got gibbons creek.

It all makes perfect sense really. Build more homes for all the new people moving in. Add 25 electric plugs for battery cars at buccees. Then tear down plants to power all that crap.

Idiots

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[Hayek'sPupil]

Originally Posted by Lost10mm

Unfortunately, this will continue because our government doesn't want to step in and help the plants come current or stop those who are shutting them down. Maybe they haven't noticed, but our energy grid has already had struggles before shutting down plants.

Government is the problem not the solution. As stated previously, government mandated environmental compliance increased to cost of operating to the point where the plant was forced to shut down. The company ran an analysis on whether to continue operating or shut down. Sometimes the cost to shut down is more expensive than it is to continue operating so they keep pumping. Shutting down reduces the variable costs to zero but the company is committed to paying its fixed costs in the short run. Not the case here.

These people are not stupid. They know how to get a coal plant to shut down through heavy regulation to accomplish their anti-humanistic and anti-fossil fuel agenda while they fly back and forth on their private jets.

Wise up grasshopper

[BowhunterB]

Yeah, happening all over. Like OP said, I am all for being a good steward of the environment, but we have to move forward rationally and logically. They want to move forward at breakneck speed. What is really sad is all the new alternatives they are pushing aren't so clean in some aspects either and the "green" is more about the green in the politicians pockets.

[BowhunterB]

Originally Posted by Hayek'sPupil

These people are not stupid. They know how to get a coal plant to shut down through heavy regulation to accomplish their anti-humanistic and anti-fossil fuel agenda while they fly back and forth on their private jets.

Wise up grasshopper

Yep, they make all of the clean technology additions you need so cost prohibitive you can't afford to run the plant anymore. Poor little local folks will pay in the end like always.

[Hogmauler]

Originally Posted by Hayek'sPupil

Government is the problem not the solution. As stated previously, government mandated environmental compliance increased to cost of operating to the point where the plant was forced to shut down. The company ran an analysis on whether to continue operating or shut down. Sometimes the cost to shut down is more expensive than it is to continue operating so they keep pumping. Not the case here.

These people are not stupid. They know how to get a coal plant to shut down through heavy regulation to accomplish their anti-humanistic and anti-fossil fuel agenda while they fly back and forth on their private jets.

Wise up grasshopper

Boom! Anti humanistic anti fossil fuel. Has to be stopped folks

[WItoTX]

This is old news. It would announced it would be shut down back in 2020.

This plant is a lignite plant built in the mid 80s, literally the most inefficient, pollutant laced, environmentally unfriendly type of coal burner there is.

38 years ago, when this plant was built, scrubbers were becoming standard equipment on plants of this size, and 15 ish years ago, low nox burners became the norm. AEP chose to build an already out dated plant in the mid 80's, from what I can tell refused to upgrade much, then decided to shut it down when it cost too much to run. What they built was the equivalent of a 1990 Buick in 2005. Obsolete.

This is on AEP. They, and their employees, should have seen the writing on the wall in the mid 2000's. Gas units today make more power, in a fraction of the footprint of a coal plant such as this. And they don't require digging up lignite and destroying the landscape.

[easeup]

Originally Posted by Hogmauler

Well said Roly. How arrogant can people be to actually think we are going to control the climate.

this!

[sqiggy]

Originally Posted by WItoTX

This is old news. It would announced it would be shut down back in 2020.

This plant is a lignite plant built in the mid 80s, literally the most inefficient, pollutant laced, environmentally unfriendly type of coal burner there is.

38 years ago, when this plant was built, scrubbers were becoming standard equipment on plants of this size, and 15 ish years ago, low nox burners became the norm. AEP chose to build an already out dated plant in the mid 80's, from what I can tell refused to upgrade much, then decided to shut it down when it cost too much to run. What they built was the equivalent of a 1990 Buick in 2005. Obsolete.

This is on AEP. They, and their employees, should have seen the writing on the wall in the mid 2000's. Gas units today make more power, in a fraction of the footprint of a coal plant such as this. And they don't require digging up lignite and destroying the landscape.

I helped build this unit, in 84 or 85. When we finished here, I went to the one they were building in Jewett. From there, I went down to Lagrange.
I don’t know what, if any, upgrades were made to this unit. In the early 2000, other plants were putting in upgrades. I haven’t been back there since new construction. Back in the day, every plant had a deadline to make upgrades or shutdown completely. Guess they chose the later. And if I remembered right, these plants had a life expectancy of 30 years. It’s not the first one to shut down and won’t be the last.
I’ve been sayin for a year or so now, get ready for a rolling blackout coming to a town near you!!

[Bucknaked]

Originally Posted by sqiggy

I helped build this unit, in 84 or 85. When we finished here, I went to the one they were building in Jewett. From there, I went down to Lagrange.
I don’t know what, if any, upgrades were made to this unit. In the early 2000, other plants were putting in upgrades. I haven’t been back there since new construction. Back in the day, every plant had a deadline to make upgrades or shutdown completely. Guess they chose the later. And if I remembered right, these plants had a life expectancy of 30 years. It’s not the first one to shut down and won’t be the last.
I’ve been sayin for a year or so now, get ready for a rolling blackout coming to a town near you!!

yes Sir!

Buy more ev cars ! SMDH

[91cavgt]

I made a video and put it up on YouTube. The video was called the farce that is green energy, but here is a solution. The video was immediately shadow banned (my subscribers didn’t even get notified of the new video) and has been hidden from people seeing it unless I link directly to it.

The left doesn’t want the truth to be heard. So called green energy is actually worse for our environment than fossil fuels. Yes, we do need to get off of fossil fuels, but not like this.

Green energy is a farce, but here is a solution - YouTube

[Man]

Originally Posted by BowhunterB

Like OP said, I am all for being a good steward of the environment, but we have to move forward rationally and logically. They want to move forward at breakneck speed.

In their mind, we don't have much time left if we don't stop carbon emissions RIGHT NOW. People who have gotten comfortable with cheap affordable and easily produced power at the expense of their own planets demise are just going to have to go through the a rough "transition" for their own good. Otherwise, nothing matters.... because there will be nothing left.

[WItoTX]

Originally Posted by sqiggy

I helped build this unit, in 84 or 85. When we finished here, I went to the one they were building in Jewett. From there, I went down to Lagrange.
I don’t know what, if any, upgrades were made to this unit. In the early 2000, other plants were putting in upgrades. I haven’t been back there since new construction. Back in the day, every plant had a deadline to make upgrades or shutdown completely. Guess they chose the later. And if I remembered right, these plants had a life expectancy of 30 years. It’s not the first one to shut down and won’t be the last.
I’ve been sayin for a year or so now, get ready for a rolling blackout coming to a town near you!!

Yep, when I worked at the power company in 2009, I recall all the near retirement guys saying it's only a matter of time before all these old units get shut down, and that they were figuring we would have power issues once that happened, but that they were thankful they were retiring and didn't have to worry about it.

You might appreciate this being someone who built boilers like the subject unit. When I worked at the power company, one of our stations had units fabricated and constructed in the 1920's. The pipes, valves, fittings, etc...that had not been removed all had swastikas welded on them. The units themselves were fabricated in Germany, and the whole unit was a museum piece. It was a very cool unit, and it was torn down completely last year.

[mavrick]

They took the money and ran. They failed to keep up with maintenance and regulations. If maintenance would have been kept up the regulations may have been easier to meet.

[Hogmauler]

Wether it’s old news or not it’s still gonna cause hardship to people.

[Drycreek3189]

This crap started with Obama, hell he campaigned on the fact that he would shut down coal fired plants. Biden has now taken up the mantle as he is just Obama’s puppet. Obama’s third term !

[Garbuster]

Originally Posted by mavrick

They took the money and ran. They failed to keep up with maintenance and regulations. If maintenance would have been kept up the regulations may have been easier to meet.

That is not the case. I work for AEP at a plant that will cease burning coal in 28. The regulation that will cause us to shut down is a ground water regulation. We have 2 big, lined settling ponds that bottom ash go into. The first to get the "ash water" is the primary then the water goes into the secondary then back into the lake. The second pond is higher than the first and the lake is higher than the second to allow all settlements to fall out of the water. These lined ponds were built within EPA guidelines at the time. EPA passed new regulations to make it were the ponds were no longer in compliance. There was plenty of meetings to determine if it would make more "money sense" to reline the ponds or quit burning coal. At the end of the day the cost of relining the ponds didn't make sense. Everything AEP does at a power plant has to be approved by the Texas Regulation Commitee before they can get there invested money back. The EPA is bad about rolling out regulations on plants that the technology to do it isn't even available or the cost of it doesn't make sense. Pirkey power plant is a 750 megawatt plant. SPP (which is Ercot in the regulated market) has already said they'll be 800 megawatts short next year

[Hogmauler]

So the epa has to be neutered somehow.

[glen]

Horrible for the folks who chose this as their career.

[WItoTX]

Originally Posted by Garbuster

That is not the case. I work for AEP at a plant that will cease burning coal in 28. The regulation that will cause us to shut down is a ground water regulation. We have 2 big, lined settling ponds that bottom ash go into. The first to get the "ash water" is the primary then the water goes into the secondary then back into the lake. The second pond is higher than the first and the lake is higher than the second to allow all settlements to fall out of the water. These lined ponds were built within EPA guidelines at the time. EPA passed new regulations to make it were the ponds were no longer in compliance. There was plenty of meetings to determine if it would make more "money sense" to reline the ponds or quit burning coal. At the end of the day the cost of relining the ponds didn't make sense. Everything AEP does at a power plant has to be approved by the Texas Regulation Commitee before they can get there invested money back. The EPA is bad about rolling out regulations on plants that the technology to do it isn't even available or the cost of it doesn't make sense. Pirkey power plant is a 750 megawatt plant. SPP (which is Ercot in the regulated market) has already said they'll be 800 megawatts short next year

This is interesting. This thread made me read up on the Pirkey unit. I read they have groundwater violations, but didn't read much beyond that. Now I have to go back and see if it's the same issue you are seeing at your plant.

[Garbuster]

Originally Posted by Hogmauler

So the epa has to be neutered somehow.

I know a couple months ago West Virginia sued the EPA because of the regulations/laws they passed that would cause the closure of their coal mines. It went to the supreme court. The supreme court ruled that the EPA didn't have the authority to be making these regulations/laws and that it should be legislated and voted on by each state. Haven't heard anything else about it but I haven't looked either

[Hogmauler]

Remember when the epa polluted that river in Colorado several years back?

[91cavgt]

Originally Posted by Hogmauler

Remember when the epa polluted that river in Colorado several years back?

The one that turned, orange wasn’t it? Yep, I do remember that.

[Hogmauler]

Of course they couldn’t fine themselves. No one was ever held accountable

[Death from Above]

I remember when it was put in...the digging and filling up of the lake.

Crazy to think it closing after just 36 years.

Someone post a link to the deer that was found drowned that is in the front lobby.

Been some MONSTERS poached there over the years. I went to HS with an idiot that did time of his brazen killing of them deer on the "island"

[Briar Friar]

Originally Posted by 91cavgt

I made a video and put it up on YouTube. The video was called the farce that is green energy, but here is a solution. The video was immediately shadow banned (my subscribers didn’t even get notified of the new video) and has been hidden from people seeing it unless I link directly to it.

The left doesn’t want the truth to be heard. So called green energy is actually worse for our environment than fossil fuels. Yes, we do need to get off of fossil fuels, but not like this.

Green energy is a farce, but here is a solution - YouTube

This (was) has been blacked out on TBH. I had to “quote” it to find the URL to copy and paste pull it up in another tab. It seemed banned actively.

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Green energy is a farce, but here is a solution - YouTube

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This is an active communist play to destabilize the US of global hegemony for the Liberal World Order. Soon after destabilization itll be the Communist World Order. China knows that were heading to an ice age and all the coal powered smoot they can smoke the atmosphere will keep the earth warm and from freezing. Which, freezing is coincidentally a bigger problem than warming.

The only good thing about moving away from fossil fuels is when we start freezing, we will still have fossil fuels in the ground to use. Until the extended freezing begins, the poor will get more poor with the cost of unstable electricity continuing to increase in cost. This is a wonderful reverse tax on the poor from the globalist marxists in US Congress.

Cheap energy makes the poor less poor. Exactly the reason the cheap sources of energy are being removed to stir them (proletariat “working class”) into marxist/communist revolution.

Its interesting to see how many voting people dont take the globalists communists at their word.

[wellingtontx]

So dang sick of the Whacko Liberal minority running and dictating the majority, Ridiculous.

[Hogmauler]

They have corned the market on electioneering!

[tx_basser]

It is all over. Monticello, Fairfield, Parker, Welsh, etc.

All of the things that made Texas energy independent are being dismantled

[Garbuster]

And China is building coal plants and buying all the coal from the U.S that they can get. There are several trains dedicated to deliver coal to the west coast to be loaded on barges and sent to China

[Garbuster]

Originally Posted by tx_basser

It is all over. Monticello, Fairfield, Parker, Welsh, etc.

All of the things that made Texas energy independent are being dismantled

I work at Welsh. They're telling us that there is a strong chance that we will be converted to gas. Supposed to know in 2025

[Man]

Originally Posted by Garbuster

And China is building coal plants and buying all the coal from the U.S that they can get. There are several trains dedicated to deliver coal to the west coast to be loaded on barges and sent to China

It would be unfair for the U.S. to force out/scold other developing countries for using the very same coal-burning methods the U.S. used to develop and become a great nation. Instead, we must use our modern technology and innovation to encourage and educate developing countries about alternative fuel sources.

This is literally a direct excerpt from at least 2-3 lefty environmental books I have read regarding china and other countries burning coal. Pretty much their take on this issue for whatever it's worth.

[tx_basser]

Originally Posted by Garbuster

I work at Welsh. They're telling us that there is a strong chance that we will be converted to gas. Supposed to know in 2025

I hope so. We have a couple of natty plants around here but they never run. They keep them operational but am told they have to get permission to run them in certain demand situations.

[100%TtId]

Originally Posted by tx_basser

I hope so. We have a couple of natty plants around here but they never run. They keep them operational but am told they have to get permission to run them in certain demand situations.

Those are called “peakers” and they only generate power when wholesale power prices are high enough for them to run profitably.