The only problem I see on your side is you told him to not get on the neighbors property. Hard to clear a fence line and not get on the neighbors property. Good luck.
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Originally posted by Graysonhogs View PostNot trying to be a smart azz, but I always thought a quote was a firm price. Otherwise it's an estimate. Lack of anything in writing isn't ideal though.
Originally posted by Take Dead Aim View PostDisagree with overages. I have owned a construction company for 24 years and pride myself in knowing my business. If a person knows what they are doing they should be able to look at a plan or job and bid it correctly. What takes place in this industry is bidding job "low", getting the job and then change ordering the number back up to where it belongs. This is issue is caused by people always going with the cheapest number because they think they are getting a good price/product. Now when something truly changes within scope of work yes there should be a change up or down in price.
The job mentioned above should not have had any changes. Should have been an easy job to bid turn key.
A contractor who answered his/her phone, showed up when they said they would, and charged what they bid the job at could stay as busy as they wanted to in our part of the world.
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Sounds like that if it was by word of mouth, then he does not have a leg to stand on and if he wants to get paid, he better do it the right way. "Do it right, do it light; Do it wrong, do it long".
I would hate to be that way, but if there is no contract and you are not satisfied with his work, I would not pay him until he did the job to my satisfaction. If I am paying for something to be done, then I would want it done the way I want it done, not the way someone else feels like it should be done. I have no problem with paying him, once the job is done as it should be.
But I do think you should not have put all the details on this post. Just my opinion.Last edited by COACH_EM_UP; 12-17-2019, 11:30 AM.
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Originally posted by Atfulldraw View PostYou are way nicer than me....
The amount he would be getting from me is his original price, minus whatever I paid to have someone else fix his mess.
Have you had a discussion with him about fixing what your contractor messed up?
1. Why would you pay him ANYTHING above what you agreed?
2. What reason did he give for not clearing ON the property line? What are the fence posts that are 6-7 feet from that one flag? Are they on the property line?
3. Are you sure your instructions were clear? Did he think he was clearing a road alongside the fence line or clearing the property line in order to build a fence on it?
4. Again, if he did not follow your instructions, why would you pay him $140/hr when you agreed to $125???
EDIT: The flags look like they are bent, and the clearing went blade went right up to the base of the flags, but the pics of them are not clear. Was he supposed to clear over the flags or up to them?Last edited by Burnadell; 12-17-2019, 11:41 AM.
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Originally posted by BrianL View PostI don't see much wrong with the pictures, unless the side he cleared was on the neighbors side??? A dozer isn't normally know for fine finish work.
Were you expecting a maintainer to come smooth it all out?
Did you talk to the neighbor about the fence going up? Did you discuss any clearing on his side that might be required or his objections to it? Did neighbor specifically say to stay off the property line?Last edited by Philip-TX; 12-17-2019, 11:52 AM.
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Originally posted by Philip-TX View PostI'm with you. It is just a fence line!! What was expected super-highway ROW?
Were you expecting a maintainer to come smooth it all out?
Did you talk to the neighbor about the fence going up? Did you discuss any clearing on his side that might be required or his objections to it? Did neighbor specifically say to stay off the property line?
Not to mention OP said he walked the guy through one whole side of the project and supervised him the whole way. Based on that, the contractor should have known exactly what the contractor was expected to deliver. If doing so would cost more, the contractor could have communicated the increased cost via a phone call. According to OP, the contractor didn't do this.
OP, thinking about this more, you should definitely only pay the agreed price minus the cost of the skid steer and costs associated with correctly finishing the contractors work.
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Is this neighbor the one that (you stated on another thread) is splitting the cost with you?
If so, why didn't you just instruct the operator to go right down the middle of the property line...or did you?
Originally posted by Sky View PostI just bought a place that had not only one but TWO feeders 25' from the property line fence. That was the first thing I did was move the feeders/blinds to the center of my property, out of sight. I got in contact with the neighbor, introduced myself, and also let him know I moved the feeders/blinds that the old owner had there. Just by that small deal, he has agreed to split my new fence bill with me on his property line, and also has invited me on his land for coyote calling after deer season.
Needless to say, once you get along with your neighbor. Life is a lot easier.Last edited by Burnadell; 12-17-2019, 12:46 PM.
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Originally posted by Burnadell View PostIs this neighbor the one that (you stated on another thread) is splitting the cost with you?
If so, why didn't you just instruct the operator to go right down the middle of the property line...or did you?
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Originally posted by WItoTX View PostWho cares what the neighbor was or wasn't told. The fact that the contractor took it upon himself to go on the neighbors property is on the contractor.
Not to mention OP said he walked the guy through one whole side of the project and supervised him the whole way. Based on that, the contractor should have known exactly what the contractor was expected to deliver. If doing so would cost more, the contractor could have communicated the increased cost via a phone call. According to OP, the contractor didn't do this.
OP, thinking about this more, you should definitely only pay the agreed price minus the cost of the skid steer and costs associated with correctly finishing the contractors work.
I have also seen where people want to go ahead and do "x" while you have the dozer is there. x wasn't in the original bid, or the way it was originally bid. People seriously underestimate how long x can take. I have been of both side of that situation.
Zero excuse for changing hourly rate. I have had that happen to me as well. Now I get a contract and list out rates and job. If I change anything it is noted in contract and I ask if there is additional charge for change.
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Originally posted by Philip-TX View PostI'm with you. It is just a fence line!! What was expected super-highway ROW?
Were you expecting a maintainer to come smooth it all out?
Did you talk to the neighbor about the fence going up? Did you discuss any clearing on his side that might be required or his objections to it? Did neighbor specifically say to stay off the property line?
Neighbor didn't want anything cleared on his property and if brush was in the way of the fence line he didn't want to take the brush either... he is a real pain.
And I have had every fence line ive ever cleared dozed or excavated, then slicked off with a grader, so yes...
and most fence line clearings are 1-2 dozer blade width, just enough to get equipment down...he cleared extremely too much... 50' in some places.Last edited by Sky; 12-17-2019, 01:44 PM.
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Originally posted by WItoTX View PostWho cares what the neighbor was or wasn't told. The fact that the contractor took it upon himself to go on the neighbors property is on the contractor.
Not to mention OP said he walked the guy through one whole side of the project and supervised him the whole way. Based on that, the contractor should have known exactly what the contractor was expected to deliver. If doing so would cost more, the contractor could have communicated the increased cost via a phone call. According to OP, the contractor didn't do this.
OP, thinking about this more, you should definitely only pay the agreed price minus the cost of the skid steer and costs associated with correctly finishing the contractors work.
Me thinks he got a fence line but was expecting a road.
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