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Old 11-06-2019, 10:46 PM   #1
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Thumbs down Senate Passes Law Making Animal Cruelty a Felony!

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/05/polit...ony/index.html

What kind of conservative thinks (knowing how overreaching many states’ animal cruelty laws already are) the federal government needs to get involved? Shame on everyone who preaches small government and voted for this!
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Old 11-06-2019, 10:56 PM   #2
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So now any regular Joe or person with money being mean to an animal will be punished more than the meth heads doing armed robbery.
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Old 11-06-2019, 10:59 PM   #3
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IMO hunting will be outlawed within 20 years.

"Under the PACT Act, a person can be prosecuted for crushing, burning, drowning, suffocating or impaling animals or sexually exploiting them. Those convicted would face federal felony charges, fines and up to seven years in prison.

"Evidence shows that the deranged individuals who harm animals often move on to committing acts of violence against people. It is appropriate that the federal government have strong animal cruelty laws and penalties," said the bill's author, Republican Sen. Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania."

This is already what anti-hunters have been screaming for a few years. Just one step closer.
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Old 11-07-2019, 02:52 AM   #4
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Mike Vick did time in Leavenworth for this kinda stuff
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Old 11-07-2019, 05:20 AM   #5
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RR I seriously doubt that hunting will be outlawed because of this new law. As much as people don't like it, hunting, and the sale of hunting products, which have a portion of the tax dedicated to the Feds, generates way too much revenue annually for anyone to cut off that money stream.

No government is prone to stop a revenue stream. In fact they are more likely trying to find a way to silently increase it.
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Old 11-07-2019, 06:05 AM   #6
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RR I seriously doubt that hunting will be outlawed because of this new law. As much as people don't like it, hunting, and the sale of hunting products, which have a portion of the tax dedicated to the Feds, generates way too much revenue annually for anyone to cut off that money stream.

No government is prone to stop a revenue stream. In fact they are more likely trying to find a way to silently increase it.
I don't think hunting generates as much of a PROPORTION of our annual GDP as you think.
I'm willing to bet that weed sales are more than hunting revenue
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Old 11-07-2019, 08:08 AM   #7
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But killing babies is ok...
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Old 11-07-2019, 08:13 AM   #8
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I can tell everything I need to know about you but watching the way you treat animals
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Old 11-07-2019, 08:17 AM   #9
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Now when a dog kills a chicken we have to send him to therapy classes so he can see the error of his ways.
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Old 11-07-2019, 08:39 AM   #10
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RR I seriously doubt that hunting will be outlawed because of this new law. As much as people don't like it, hunting, and the sale of hunting products, which have a portion of the tax dedicated to the Feds, generates way too much revenue annually for anyone to cut off that money stream.

No government is prone to stop a revenue stream. In fact they are more likely trying to find a way to silently increase it.
I said this is one more step. Now they just linked killing things with being unstable. Do you not see the pattern and flow of all this?
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Old 11-07-2019, 11:00 AM   #11
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RR I seriously doubt that hunting will be outlawed because of this new law. As much as people don't like it, hunting, and the sale of hunting products, which have a portion of the tax dedicated to the Feds, generates way too much revenue annually for anyone to cut off that money stream.

No government is prone to stop a revenue stream. In fact they are more likely trying to find a way to silently increase it.
195,000 American jobs are sustained by hunting
Americans spend more than $23.7 billion on retail hunting-related purchases
More than $16 billion is spent on hunting gear, accessories and vehicles
Over $11.3 billion goes to hunting trip-related expenses
Hunting generates nearly $3.5 billion yearly in federal, state and local taxes
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Old 11-07-2019, 11:20 AM   #12
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Does this mean someone that shoots the a dog out of their deer stand could get you prison time now? PSA
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Old 11-07-2019, 11:49 AM   #13
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Does this mean someone that shoots the a dog out of their deer stand could get you prison time now? PSA
It didn't say pets, just animals. So some guys on here need to keep on bragging about gut shooting hogs on purpose so they run off to slowly die.

A lot of people are about to get popped. FEDs suck (from what I hear) compared to regular game warden or LEO. Your PETA neighbor may call them if you shoot a squirrel or trap a raccoon.
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Old 11-07-2019, 12:02 PM   #14
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Looks like they are adding adding crushing animals and videoing it????

H. R. 724
IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES
October 23, 2019
Received; read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary

AN ACT
To revise section 48 of title 18, United States Code, and for other purposes.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the “Preventing Animal Cruelty and Torture Act” or the “PACT Act”.

SEC. 2. REVISION OF SECTION 48.

(a) In General.—Section 48 of title 18, United States Code, is amended to read as follows:

Ҥ 48. Animal crushing

“(a) Offenses.—

“(1) CRUSHING.—It shall be unlawful for any person to purposely engage in animal crushing in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce or within the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States.

“(2) CREATION OF ANIMAL CRUSH VIDEOS.—It shall be unlawful for any person to knowingly create an animal crush video, if—

“(A) the person intends or has reason to know that the animal crush video will be distributed in, or using a means or facility of, interstate or foreign commerce; or

“(B) the animal crush video is distributed in, or using a means or facility of, interstate or foreign commerce.

“(3) DISTRIBUTION OF ANIMAL CRUSH VIDEOS.—It shall be unlawful for any person to knowingly sell, market, advertise, exchange, or distribute an animal crush video in, or using a means or facility of, interstate or foreign commerce.

“(b) Extraterritorial Application.—This section applies to the knowing sale, marketing, advertising, exchange, distribution, or creation of an animal crush video outside of the United States, if—

“(1) the person engaging in such conduct intends or has reason to know that the animal crush video will be transported into the United States or its territories or possessions; or

“(2) the animal crush video is transported into the United States or its territories or possessions.

“(c) Penalties.—Whoever violates this section shall be fined under this title, imprisoned for not more than 7 years, or both.

“(d) Exceptions.—

“(1) IN GENERAL.—This section does not apply with regard to any conduct, or a visual depiction of that conduct, that is—

“(A) a customary and normal veterinary, agricultural husbandry, or other animal management practice;

“(B) the slaughter of animals for food;

“(C) hunting, trapping, fishing, a sporting activity not otherwise prohibited by Federal law, predator control, or pest control;

“(D) medical or scientific research;

“(E) necessary to protect the life or property of a person; or

“(F) performed as part of euthanizing an animal.


“(2) GOOD-FAITH DISTRIBUTION.—This section does not apply to the good-faith distribution of an animal crush video to—

“(A) a law enforcement agency; or

“(B) a third party for the sole purpose of analysis to determine if referral to a law enforcement agency is appropriate.

“(3) UNINTENTIONAL CONDUCT.—This section does not apply to unintentional conduct that injures or kills an animal.

“(4) CONSISTENCY WITH RFRA.—This section shall be enforced in a manner that is consistent with section 3 of the Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993 (42 U.S.C. 2000bb–1).

“(e) No Preemption.—Nothing in this section shall be construed to preempt the law of any State or local subdivision thereof to protect animals.

“(f) Definitions.—In this section—

“(1) the term ‘animal crushing’ means actual conduct in which one or more living non-human mammals, birds, reptiles, or amphibians is purposely crushed, burned, drowned, suffocated, impaled, or otherwise subjected to serious bodily injury (as defined in section 1365 and including conduct that, if committed against a person and in the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States, would violate section 2241 or 2242);

“(2) the term ‘animal crush video’ means any photograph, motion-picture film, video or digital recording, or electronic image that—

“(A) depicts animal crushing; and

“(B) is obscene; and

“(3) the term ‘euthanizing an animal’ means the humane destruction of an animal accomplished by a method that—

“(A) produces rapid unconsciousness and subsequent death without evidence of pain or distress; or

“(B) uses anesthesia produced by an agent that causes painless loss of consciousness and subsequent death.”.

(b) Technical And Conforming Amendment.—The table of sections for chapter 3 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by striking the item relating to section 48 and inserting the following:


“48. Animal crushing.”.
SEC. 3. DETERMINATION OF BUDGETARY EFFECTS.

The budgetary effects of this Act, and the amendments made by this Act, for the purpose of complying with the Statutory Pay-As-You-Go Act of 2010, shall be determined by reference to the latest statement titled “Budgetary Effects of PAYGO Legislation” for this Act, submitted for printing in the Congressional Record by the Chairman of the House Budget Committee, provided that such statement has been submitted prior to the vote on passage.

Passed the House of Representatives October 22, 2019.

Attest: cheryl l. johnson,
Clerk.

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Old 11-07-2019, 06:19 PM   #15
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Wow.....I missed this non sense.....or was it slipped in as a rider to something else.

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Old 11-08-2019, 09:24 PM   #16
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So Congress can pass a bi partisan bill.... smh. No, the feds have overstepped their authority. This is a state issue. Most states already have laws on this too.
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Old 11-08-2019, 10:24 PM   #17
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Of all the issues this country has, THIS was a priority?

People have lost their minds.


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Old 11-08-2019, 10:40 PM   #18
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So Congress can pass a bi partisan bill.... smh. No, the feds have overstepped their authority. This is a state issue. Most states already have laws on this too.
Yep....it is a constant.

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Old 11-08-2019, 11:18 PM   #19
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What is all this "crushing" video business about?
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Old 11-08-2019, 11:45 PM   #20
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What is all this "crushing" video business about?


I was wondering the same thing.


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Old 11-09-2019, 06:04 AM   #21
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I don't think hunting generates as much of a PROPORTION of our annual GDP as you think.
I'm willing to bet that weed sales are more than hunting revenue
Weed isn't taxed at a federal level since it is still technically an illegal substance.

Part of the sales tax you pay when buying a bong isn't sent to the Feds, but it is when you buy a tree stand.

i don't disagree that if the government would decriminalize weed, and start taxing the growers and distributors, it would be a financial windfall like this world has never seen. But that probably won't happen any time soon.
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