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Old 09-11-2019, 04:22 PM   #1
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Got drawn for one of the archery hunts (12/5-12/8). Have never been down there before but have read through some of the previous years posts and acquired some good information. Figured I would start a new thread for this year to capture any updated advice or suggestions anyone may have, and hopefully post some success stories.

One question that has come up while reading through all the NWR rules is use of game cameras. I have seen it specifically stated in the Laguna Atascosa rules that they are not allowed, but the Teniente hunt brochure does not mention them at all (allowed or not allowed).
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Old 09-11-2019, 06:27 PM   #2
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Honestly I wouldn’t push my luck unless you know for sure if they are allowed. Those federal wardens aren’t to be played with. Wrote a guy a ticket for having corn kernels in the bed of truck.
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Old 09-11-2019, 06:58 PM   #3
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I'll be there the last weekend January 9th through the 12th. Cant wait
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Old 09-11-2019, 06:59 PM   #4
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Iíll be there 11/7-11/10 and Iíll be there a day early to scout too. This is my first TPWD hunt, first public land hunt, first hunt in S Texas. Iíll be happy if I get a piglet and just excited to hunt something new in a new place.


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Old 09-11-2019, 07:16 PM   #5
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Honestly I wouldn’t push my luck unless you know for sure if they are allowed. Those federal wardens aren’t to be played with. Wrote a guy a ticket for having corn kernels in the bed of truck.
The federal guys are looking to write tickets...no grey areas or common sense so don’t take a chance without proof they are allowed.I had a sealed bag of corn and not a lose kernel anywhere to be seen (had an old bag in the bed and was heading to my lease after the hunt). They searched my hunt area, truck and backpack looking for corn and found none. I read the rules and intentionally parked on the county roads so I wasn’t “on the refuge with corn”. They ruined an evening hunt and wrote me a ticket for baiting and also no signed permit (my fault) and threatened a 3rd for alcohol on refuge (3 hot cans of beer-no ice) that I didn’t realize were in my empty ice chest. The hunt was pretty cool but only saw 1 bull and a few cows with no shot opportunities. Pretty sure one of the guys I met that lived nearby had cams out but no idea if they are legal. Good luck.

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Old 09-11-2019, 07:51 PM   #6
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The federal guys are looking to write tickets...no grey areas or common sense so donít take a chance without proof they are allowed.I had a sealed bag of corn and not a lose kernel anywhere to be seen (had an old bag in the bed and was heading to my lease after the hunt). They searched my hunt area, truck and backpack looking for corn and found none. I read the rules and intentionally parked on the county roads so I wasnít ďon the refuge with cornĒ. They ruined an evening hunt and wrote me a ticket for baiting and also no signed permit (my fault) and threatened a 3rd for alcohol on refuge (3 hot cans of beer-no ice) that I didnít realize were in my empty ice chest. The hunt was pretty cool but only saw 1 bull and a few cows with no shot opportunities. Pretty sure one of the guys I met that lived nearby had cams out but no idea if they are legal. Good luck.
Im not sure if they have changed the rules page, but it now states all rules apply to the county roads that go through the hunt area.

I'll be out there 11/7-11/10. I got drawn for Laguna atascosa rifle last year and got a nilgai cow. I'm hoping to get another nilgai this year.


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Old 09-11-2019, 09:06 PM   #7
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HuntorFish. This guy works for fws and is involved with the Teniente tract and he replied to a few of my questions before the hunt.
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It did not state that in the rules I received last year (just checked the email from last year again) but I do see that they added the county roads to this years regs.

I get that I should have just taken the corn out but they also could use common sense when they didn’t find a single lose kernel anywhere.

“We prohibit the use or possession of alcohol while on the Refuge (including parking lots). You may not be under the influence of alcohol or consume an alcoholic beverage while engaged in hunting activities, or publicly consume or display an alcoholic beverage.”

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Im not sure if they have changed the rules page, but it now states all rules apply to the county roads that go through the hunt area.

I'll be out there 11/7-11/10. I got drawn for Laguna atascosa rifle last year and got a nilgai cow. I'm hoping to get another nilgai this year.


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Old 09-12-2019, 10:31 AM   #8
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Confirmed with wildlife biologist for LRGV (Imer De La Garza) that game cameras are not allowed.
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Old 09-26-2019, 10:24 AM   #9
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I will be down their 11/7-11/10 as well. Does anyone know if there is any place close to camp?
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Old 09-26-2019, 07:00 PM   #10
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I will be down their 11/7-11/10 as well. Does anyone know if there is any place close to camp?
Nope. Raymondville is only 15 minutes away though. Get a hotel there, I did on my hunt.
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Old 09-26-2019, 08:27 PM   #11
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Got drawn on 2nd draw for East Lake Unit. November 21- kid got on last year and killed a cow and a bull. Ill be carrying a muzzleloader and going with older kid. Maybe we can get lucky again.

Raymondville is minutes away from both units.

And you don't need a game camera. Nilgai leave a lot of sign and you can tell where they are at.
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Old 09-27-2019, 10:59 AM   #12
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I received my Teniente hunt permit and list of regulations after purchase. I gun hunted here two years ago and it seems that I also had a vehicle pass to keep in window. I do not see one as of yet. Did anyone else consider this?
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Old 09-28-2019, 12:49 PM   #13
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I did not get one, but was wondering the same thing. It talks about it in the regulations.
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Old 09-29-2019, 03:48 PM   #14
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They give you the parking permit during the orientation, just be sure to leave it on the dash of your vehicle when parked. Good luck cuz.
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Old 09-29-2019, 03:56 PM   #15
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As far as I am aware there is no orientation.
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Old 09-29-2019, 03:58 PM   #16
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They give you the parking permit during the orientation, just be sure to leave it on the dash of your vehicle when parked. Good luck cuz.
My brochure doesn’t say anything about orientation

Hunting 1/9-1/12.

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Old 09-29-2019, 04:08 PM   #17
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This has been a big problem, and will continue to be a big problem with these Texas Draw Hunts. There is a ton of miss information. The only way to fix it is for them to change the system. The hunt brochure just leaves people even more confused than actually helping. Details like orientations left out, they say you need a parking permit but don’t tell you how to get that, they say no cameras, but in the brochure they make no mention of that. So the people that aren’t on tbh or don’t email a pos fws warden could get tickets for doing something they didn’t even no was wrong. This system is broken...
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This has been a big problem, and will continue to be a big problem with these Texas Draw Hunts. There is a ton of miss information. The only way to fix it is for them to change the system. The hunt brochure just leaves people even more confused than actually helping. Details like orientations left out, they say you need a parking permit but donít tell you how to get that, they say no cameras, but in the brochure they make no mention of that. So the people that arenít on tbh or donít email a pos fws warden could get tickets for doing something they didnít even no was wrong. This system is broken...
There isnít an orientation at this NWR.
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Old 09-29-2019, 10:36 PM   #19
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Yup
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Old 09-30-2019, 10:21 AM   #20
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I e mailed the sup on the parking pass. Waiting for reply. No orientation is correct.. It states your scouting period is the Monday before but signs at the refuge say no entry to non hunters during the specified hunting times. I take that as one can still go bird watching or whatever any time there is no hunting.
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Old 10-01-2019, 02:17 PM   #21
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According to Imer De La Garza of LGVR I should have received a vehicle placard with my regulations and hunting permit from TPWD. He told me to contact them. I replied to their original e mail.
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I also emailed TPWD about the parking permit. They responded “Please contact the area directly for assistance, you may reach them at 956-784-7500.”
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Old 10-02-2019, 09:37 PM   #23
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My email from Imer says to contact the TPWD or get back to him and he may help.
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I e mailed the sup on the parking pass. Waiting for reply. No orientation is correct.. It states your scouting period is the Monday before but signs at the refuge say no entry to non hunters during the specified hunting times. I take that as one can still go bird watching or whatever any time there is no hunting.
I did a lot of bird watching at East Lake before my son's hunt there in 2016. Outside of the hunt dates it's open to the public.

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Old 10-08-2019, 09:57 AM   #26
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Received an updated regulations pdf from LGVNWR and it included a vehicle pass
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Yup same here. I think enough of us inquired about it that they had to send out an update.
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Old 10-18-2019, 09:24 AM   #28
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Going for rifle 2/27/20, ive heard that setting up on scat in a pop up and staying put is the way to hunt them. that sound right to yall?
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Going for rifle 2/27/20, ive heard that setting up on scat in a pop up and staying put is the way to hunt them. that sound right to yall?
If I got a rifle hunt there, I would be mobile, spot and stalk hunting!! But yes, nilgai use the same spots over and over so that would/could work out.
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If I got a rifle hunt there, I would be mobile, spot and stalk hunting!! But yes, nilgai use the same spots over and over so that would/could work out.
I will prolly do both types of hunting, 4 days sitting in a ground blind will get real old lol. Hopefully we see something, we are the last group for the year so im sure everything will be very skittish
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I will prolly do both types of hunting, 4 days sitting in a ground blind will get real old lol. Hopefully we see something, we are the last group for the year so im sure everything will be very skittish
Yea I'm sure they will be. Good luck. Wish I was hunting there again this year. Fun hunt
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Old 10-18-2019, 10:08 AM   #32
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I had success last year at east lake by finding a convergence of trails leading to a big active scat pile. Had a bull come in the first morning right down the trail and got a shot at about 70 yards broadside. Put it right in the shoulder and followed up with a second to drop him. Each day walking in to different spots I busted a group of cows with calves. They seem to know you are coming way before you can ever see them and then they're gone. Good luck to everyone!!
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I had success last year at east lake by finding a convergence of trails leading to a big active scat pile. Had a bull come in the first morning right down the trail and got a shot at about 70 yards broadside. Put it right in the shoulder and followed up with a second to drop him. Each day walking in to different spots I busted a group of cows with calves. They seem to know you are coming way before you can ever see them and then they're gone. Good luck to everyone!!
Thanks for the info, i am planning on hunting hard the whole time. My brother and I along with his 2 kids are going as a group.
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How much spot and stalk can you do in thick brush country with basically 1 person per hundred acres hunting the place?


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One person per 100 acres?
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Old 10-18-2019, 06:08 PM   #36
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Itís 40 people per hunt on about 4000 acres based on a quick satellite measurement.


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Old 10-18-2019, 06:40 PM   #37
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Called today and the manager said it was 15 people/permits per time window.
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Old 10-18-2019, 08:03 PM   #38
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I'm not sure about using a pop up. They use seem to be very observant and use same trials etc. Id just take a chair or stool and get in the brush and don't move around. I think they will bust a pop up
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I'm not sure about using a pop up. They use seem to be very observant and use same trials etc. Id just take a chair or stool and get in the brush and don't move around. I think they will bust a pop up
YES they will. I used a pop first time ever down there and every single animal saw it before I saw them. I use a ghost blind now and have been able to hide pretty well woth it.
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I wouldnít bother with a pop up. Just pick a good clump of brush to hide behind or back into. I had a few wt does walk pretty close and never saw me. The dang nilgai seem to notice if a twig is out of place.


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Old 10-18-2019, 08:42 PM   #41
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That is good to hear. The hunt info said 240 slots for 6 hunts.


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Old 10-18-2019, 09:36 PM   #42
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Gun hunt and archery hunt are different permit numbers per hunt. Gun is 60 for four hunts. Archery is 240 for six hunts.
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I wouldnít bother with a pop up. Just pick a good clump of brush to hide behind or back into. I had a few wt does walk pretty close and never saw me. The dang nilgai seem to notice if a twig is out of place.


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What he said... dont waste your time with a popup, they will spot it a mile away.
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Old 10-19-2019, 07:33 PM   #44
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Old 10-19-2019, 07:33 PM   #45
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Gun hunt and archery hunt are different permit numbers per hunt. Gun is 60 for four hunts. Archery is 240 for six hunts.
I hunted the archery hunt last year and maybe saw a dozen different vehicles when driving around. If it is 40 per hunt then there were a bunch of no shows. It was also a little warm so I am sure that kept some away. I never saw another hunter once I left the county road and I walked quite a bit.
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Old 10-20-2019, 06:53 PM   #46
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Hopefully we get some cold weather. I was driving to the ranch yesterday and ran across a 5 ft rattle snake. Too bad I missed it when I tried to run it over. They’re out there!
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Old 10-21-2019, 08:56 AM   #47
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I got drawn for the nilgai hunt last weekend of February on east lake. Any pointers would be appreciated! Anyone else in here going that weekend?
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Old 10-21-2019, 10:23 AM   #48
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I had success at east lake last year and my post above has what I did. As far as the pop blind discussion I'll say that all I did was bring a chair and tucked into the brush and was never busted. Good luck, it's an awesome hunt
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Old 10-25-2019, 09:33 AM   #49
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Anyone know what the deer hunting is like at LRGV? Decent deer number? Everyone talks about the Nilgai but Iíd be thrilled witha public land whitetail too.


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Old 10-25-2019, 10:24 AM   #50
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Anyone know what the deer hunting is like at LRGV? Decent deer number? Everyone talks about the Nilgai but Iíd be thrilled witha public land whitetail too.


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I'd say there are a good number of whitetail there. I killed one last year plus saw quite few more while moving around.
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