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txfirefighter_04 · 02-02-2019, 05:03 PM

Called today to place my order but didn’t get a chance to speak to anyone so now I gotta wait till Tuesday lol ��.

DocHolliday · 02-02-2019, 05:38 PM

Not hearing anyone saying they are going with 6.5 Creedmoor. No longer the sexy new round? I’m not one to jump on new cartridges, but it’s obvious the 6.5 isn’t new anymore and it’s not going anywhere, so it’s time for me to get one.

Just not sure on barrel length. I have 16 and 18” 308s, but I’m thinking the 6.5CM needs at least 22”. I want to get the performance of the round, but still want to keep it short enough not to be cumbersome with a suppressor. Any recs from anyone?

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Black Ice · 02-02-2019, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DocHolliday

Not hearing anyone saying they are going with 6.5 Creedmoor. No longer the sexy new round? I’m not one to jump on new cartridges, but it’s obvious the 6.5 isn’t new anymore and it’s not going anywhere, so it’s time for me to get one.

Just not sure on barrel length. I have 16 and 18” 308s, but I’m thinking the 6.5CM needs at least 22”. I want to get the performance of the round, but still want to keep it short enough not to be cumbersome with a suppressor. Any recs from anyone?

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Everybody already has one

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bloodtrail18 · 02-02-2019, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DocHolliday

Not hearing anyone saying they are going with 6.5 Creedmoor. No longer the sexy new round? I’m not one to jump on new cartridges, but it’s obvious the 6.5 isn’t new anymore and it’s not going anywhere, so it’s time for me to get one.

Just not sure on barrel length. I have 16 and 18” 308s, but I’m thinking the 6.5CM needs at least 22”. I want to get the performance of the round, but still want to keep it short enough not to be cumbersome with a suppressor. Any recs from anyone?

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If I didn't already have 6.5cm I would be ordering one, no question.

Slick8 · 02-02-2019, 05:49 PM

That's what mine is. I feel 22 is the perfect compromise between velocity and handling when running a suppressor.

I too seem to have noticed the creed may be reaching market saturation. That and the new 65 prc has people really excited as of today.

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Txarrowhunter · 02-02-2019, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slick8

That's what mine is. I feel 22 is the perfect compromise between velocity and handling when running a suppressor.

I too seem to have noticed the creed may be reaching market saturation. That and the new 65 prc has people really excited as of today.

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Why not be excited? Same as the 6.5cm but with lil extra hp. If you don’t reload you can buy match ammo for 37.99 probably not as sweet as the 29. For the cm tho

Smoothing Iron · 02-02-2019, 09:59 PM

Any estimate of when the builds will be ready to ship / pickup?

Texas007 · 02-02-2019, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DocHolliday

Not hearing anyone saying they are going with 6.5 Creedmoor. No longer the sexy new round? I’m not one to jump on new cartridges, but it’s obvious the 6.5 isn’t new anymore and it’s not going anywhere, so it’s time for me to get one.

Just not sure on barrel length. I have 16 and 18” 308s, but I’m thinking the 6.5CM needs at least 22”. I want to get the performance of the round, but still want to keep it short enough not to be cumbersome with a suppressor. Any recs from anyone?

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I went 6.5 creed, Garrett said that 20 inch barrel would work great with a suppressor.

DocHolliday · 02-03-2019, 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bloodtrail18

If I didn't already have 6.5cm I would be ordering one, no question.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Black Ice

Everybody already has one

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slick8

That's what mine is. I feel 22 is the perfect compromise between velocity and handling when running a suppressor.

I too seem to have noticed the creed may be reaching market saturation. That and the new 65 prc has people really excited as of today.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Texas007

I went 6.5 creed, Garrett said that 20 inch barrel would work great with a suppressor.

Thanks for the responses. Good to know that on the 20” Texas 007.

gfulton · 02-03-2019, 09:57 AM

I'm going with a 6.5 Creed. I have a Fieldcraft in 6.5 cm that I will be selling.

Phillip Fields · 02-03-2019, 07:17 PM

Anybody else order a 20" 7mm?

Slick8 · 02-03-2019, 08:38 PM

This should help with your cartridge selection deliberations.

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Smoothing Iron · 02-03-2019, 09:00 PM

.50 BMG mmmmm

cantexduck · 02-03-2019, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phillip Fields

Anybody else order a 20" 7mm?

I did. They said I was the first one.

kc5rkg · 02-03-2019, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phillip Fields

Anybody else order a 20" 7mm?

I’ll be ordering one this week.....if I can ever figure out what stock color I want!!!

bowhunter2989 · 02-03-2019, 11:41 PM

I’ll be calling/stopping in on Wednesday to order one

fishman · 02-04-2019, 11:26 AM

Robert, what length barrel and twist rate would you recommend for a tier 2 in 6.5prc? I do not plan on using a can.

Stick1 · 02-04-2019, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishman

Robert, what length barrel and twist rate would you recommend for a tier 2 in 6.5prc? I do not plan on using a can.

No can - I’d run 25-26” and get all the goodness out of it! 7.5 or 8 twist

jettech17 · 02-04-2019, 02:33 PM

I saw your 6.5prc AI was 1-7.5, but all your 6.5 PRC seem to be 1-8, so I went 1-8. Shouldni have considered 7.5?

keatonskidmore · 02-04-2019, 03:29 PM

Robert, do y'all have specific few cerakote colors y'all offer? Or is it all of their colors available? The choices are overwhelming.

Stick1 · 02-04-2019, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keatonskidmore

Robert, do y'all have specific few cerakote colors y'all offer? Or is it all of their colors available? The choices are overwhelming.

No sir, pretty much just overwhelming

keatonskidmore · 02-04-2019, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stick1

No sir, pretty much just overwhelming

I had a feeling that was the case! Having a hard time deciding on stock and action finish now that you said y'all can't match that Mesa pattern.

Stick1 · 02-04-2019, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jettech17

I saw your 6.5prc AI was 1-7.5, but all your 6.5 PRC seem to be 1-8, so I went 1-8. Shouldni have considered 7.5?

So I did 7.5 specifically for the 150 SMK and also in anticipation of Berger releasing the 156 bullet which never happened. I don't know if it's ever going to actually happen?

My first 7.5 was a standard 4 groove and was really hard on the 150's and 147's. I was blowing up jackets pretty often. Muller created a modified land profile and the problem is now solved, but it took a while. Pretty cool to have 4-groove accuracy that's easy on jackets like a 5R.

I'm still running a couple of modified 7.5's and having good luck personally, but we ended up running a bunch of 8's while all of that was being worked out. Really did not see a downside to the 8's up to the 147 class bullets when it was all said and done.

jettech17 · 02-04-2019, 04:43 PM

I went with muller as you recommended, but never even thought to ask about groove profile !

sleepymedic1 · 02-04-2019, 05:04 PM

Robert, what length barrel and twist rate would you recommend for a tier 2 in 28 nosler

Stick1 · 02-04-2019, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sleepymedic1

Robert, what length barrel and twist rate would you recommend for a tier 2 in 28 nosler

If it were mine, I'd do 26" and 1/8.

Phillip Fields · 02-04-2019, 05:49 PM

Robert, I ordered a 1/8 twist in my Tier 1, 20" barrel 7mm-08. Is this going to be satisfactory? I intend to shoot either the 140 or 150 gr Nosler Partition.

Stick1 · 02-04-2019, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phillip Fields

Robert, I ordered a 1/8 twist in my Tier 1, 20" barrel 7mm-08. Is this going to be satisfactory? I intend to shoot either the 140 or 150 gr Nosler Partition.

It's more than you "need" for those bullets, but it will still work absolutely great. There are several benefits to running more than the minimum twist rate in most cases, especially for hunting. There is obviously a point where it can become "too much", but you aren't anywhere near that with 140s at 7-08 velocities. I would have absolutely chosen an 8 twist if I was building it for myself.

Acameron52 · 02-04-2019, 06:55 PM

Man oh man!! I work right down the road in Euless, I’m gonna stop by one morning when I get off work. I need a rifle for an Elk Hunt next year!!

Buzzsaw · 02-04-2019, 07:02 PM

better hurry ordering, deadline is looming

kc5rkg · 02-05-2019, 11:48 AM

Just ordered mine. Tier 1, 7-08, 20” barrel with 1:9 twist.

To the other guys that ordered 20” 7mm barrels, what twist did you get? I was told in order to meet the minimum order of 5 to do the shorter barrel that they also need to be the same twist rate.

CastAndBlast · 02-05-2019, 11:51 AM

I am torn between a 20-22" 6.5 PRC and a 20" 308

Is there any drastic difference that I should be aware of?

Phillip Fields · 02-05-2019, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kc5rkg

Just ordered mine. Tier 1, 7-08, 20” barrel with 1:9 twist.

To the other guys that ordered 20” 7mm barrels, what twist did you get? I was told in order to meet the minimum order of 5 to do the shorter barrel that they also need to be the same twist rate.

See post 228

Txhuntr2 · 02-05-2019, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CastAndBlast

I am torn between a 20-22" 6.5 PRC and a 20" 308

Is there any drastic difference that I should be aware of?

I am interested in building a 6.5prc too. Robert advised a 24 inch barrel when I asked if 22 was too short.

Balcones_Walker · 02-05-2019, 01:55 PM

Just ordered a 6mm CM "little man bun", 22”, 1:7.5. Plain carbon (tier 1) no camo, with burnt bronze trim.

I love the 6.5 CM and will keep using it when the goal is to get an animal on the ground asap, but it’s proven to be more hp than needed when the focus is on meat preservation (e.g. whitetail and pigs).

I looked carefully at .243, 6 Dasher, 25-06, and several others, and worked backwards from the bullet I wanted to use - in the range of the 103gn eld-x @ 2900-3000fps. It’s interesting how different the .243 is from the 6CM in real applications based on twist/bullet selection. The 6 Dasher is exciting but has some less practical aspects as a hunting round given my level of reloading/gunsmithing.

ColinR · 02-05-2019, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CastAndBlast

I am torn between a 20-22" 6.5 PRC and a 20" 308

Is there any drastic difference that I should be aware of?

I thought about a 20" PRC but after talking to several folks and looking at ballistic tables with a 20" barrel your basically going to have a creedmore with the loss in velocity with the short barrel. I ordered a 20" 308.

OSU Fisher · 02-05-2019, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Txhuntr2

I am interested in building a 6.5prc too. Robert advised a 24 inch barrel when I asked if 22 was too short.

I'm wanting to do a 6.5 prc with a 22". Was hoping I wouldnt lose much from a 24. Maybe im wrong? Wanting to keep it shorter and packable for mtn hunting and will also be running a brake

robie · 02-05-2019, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OSU Fisher

I'm wanting to do a 6.5 prc with a 22". Was hoping I wouldnt lose much from a 24. Maybe im wrong? Wanting to keep it shorter and packable for mtn hunting and will also be running a brake

Debating between 22" & 24" myself.

Txsurveyor2014 · 02-06-2019, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robie

Debating between 22" & 24" myself.

I ended up going with a 24" 1:8 twist on this build... I was really considering the 22" but didnt want to have to reload to get decent speed out of it right now.

JTCowpoke · 02-06-2019, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OSU Fisher

I'm wanting to do a 6.5 prc with a 22". Was hoping I wouldnt lose much from a 24. Maybe im wrong? Wanting to keep it shorter and packable for mtn hunting and will also be running a brake

Do you think you will be gaining much over a .260 with the short barrel?

progolferv1 · 02-06-2019, 04:39 PM

Is the only advantage of the carbon barrel is its lighter? and it look amazing ?

duckhunter1 · 02-06-2019, 05:02 PM

Robert,
Just placed an order for my 1st custom rifle, tier1 in 300wm 24" barrel.
I plan to reload 212gr eldx.
Would I be better off specifying a longer freebore with the above bullets or should I stick with saami spec?

Stick1 · 02-06-2019, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duckhunter1

Robert,
Just placed an order for my 1st custom rifle, tier1 in 300wm 24" barrel.
I plan to reload 212gr eldx.
Would I be better off specifying a longer freebore with the above bullets or should I stick with saami spec?

Standard SAAMI spec is "zero"freebore. I have seen plenty of folks running 215's in SAAMI chambers successfully. All factory loads will be set up to run in that chamber, so you can be confident it will work. That said, I do have a reamer set up with .187" freebore specifically for the heavies, but I can't guarantee it will work with an un-modified mag box.

txfirefighter_04 · 02-06-2019, 06:00 PM

Order submitted!!

Tier 2
6.5 PRC
24 In Barrel 1:8 Twist

OKFF610 · 02-06-2019, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Txsurveyor2014

I ended up going with a 24" 1:8 twist on this build... I was really considering the 22" but didnt want to have to reload to get decent speed out of it right now.

I went with the 24 inch despite having my mind made up that I wanted no more than 22. Garrett was pretty adimit about me going 24. Understand that’s optimal performance for that round so I went with it.

Buzzsaw · 02-06-2019, 09:04 PM

PRC next year

droptine8850 · 02-06-2019, 09:27 PM

7mm PRC.....think I'll wait on it!
150 gr ELD-x for deer and heavier stuff for bigger critters

TXHunter12 · 02-06-2019, 09:40 PM

On the 20” barrels what other choices are good that maintain velocity like the 7mm-08?

I like the 7mm-08. So if needing a 5th person I’d be in.

I want to go suppressed also. So the 20 inch sounds good.

Where go you look to see what calibers are available in 20 inch?

TXHunter12 · 02-06-2019, 10:18 PM

Also for Tier 2 builds where can you see the calibers and lengths available?

CastAndBlast · 02-06-2019, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TXHunter12

On the 20” barrels what other choices are good that maintain velocity like the 7mm-08?

I like the 7mm-08. So if needing a 5th person I’d be in.

I want to go suppressed also. So the 20 inch sounds good.

Where go you look to see what calibers are available in 20 inch?

I was in the same boat...I already have an APR 7-08 in a 20” with a can for my son. It is such a blast to shoot, that I decided I needed one for myself. I was planning on going 6.5 prc and having custom loads made, but was talked into a 6.5 creed (never thought I would ever say that, ha). For 20” I would personally go with 7-08 if I didn’t already have one. The tier 1 6.5 will be a fun shooter though. You could also go 308.

02-03-2019, 08:38 PM	#212
Slick8 Pope & Young Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Richmond, Texas Hunt In: In the woods	This should help with your cartridge selection deliberations. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N920A using Tapatalk

02-04-2019, 11:26 AM	#217
fishman Ten Point Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Paradise Hunt In: Wilbarger	Robert, what length barrel and twist rate would you recommend for a tier 2 in 6.5prc? I do not plan on using a can. Last edited by fishman; 02-04-2019 at 11:33 AM.

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02-02-2019, 05:03 PM	#201
txfirefighter_04 Ten Point Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Angleton Hunt In: Sonora	Called today to place my order but didn’t get a chance to speak to anyone so now I gotta wait till Tuesday lol ��.

02-02-2019, 05:38 PM	#202
DocHolliday Ten Point Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Aledo Hunt In: Brady	Not hearing anyone saying they are going with 6.5 Creedmoor. No longer the sexy new round? I’m not one to jump on new cartridges, but it’s obvious the 6.5 isn’t new anymore and it’s not going anywhere, so it’s time for me to get one. Just not sure on barrel length. I have 16 and 18” 308s, but I’m thinking the 6.5CM needs at least 22”. I want to get the performance of the round, but still want to keep it short enough not to be cumbersome with a suppressor. Any recs from anyone? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

02-02-2019, 05:49 PM	#205
Slick8 Pope & Young Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Richmond, Texas Hunt In: In the woods	That's what mine is. I feel 22 is the perfect compromise between velocity and handling when running a suppressor. I too seem to have noticed the creed may be reaching market saturation. That and the new 65 prc has people really excited as of today. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N920A using Tapatalk

02-02-2019, 09:59 PM	#207
Smoothing Iron Spike Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Dallas Hunt In: Llano	Any estimate of when the builds will be ready to ship / pickup?

02-03-2019, 09:57 AM	#210
gfulton Six Point Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Graham	I'm going with a 6.5 Creed. I have a Fieldcraft in 6.5 cm that I will be selling.

02-03-2019, 07:17 PM	#211
Phillip Fields Pope & Young Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Chesapeake, VA Hunt In: NC,TX, and anywhere else I can	Anybody else order a 20" 7mm?

02-03-2019, 09:00 PM	#213
Smoothing Iron Spike Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Dallas Hunt In: Llano	.50 BMG mmmmm

02-03-2019, 11:41 PM	#216
bowhunter2989 Ten Point Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Melissa	I’ll be calling/stopping in on Wednesday to order one

02-04-2019, 02:33 PM	#219
jettech17 Ten Point Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Pearland,Tx Hunt In: comstock, public	I saw your 6.5prc AI was 1-7.5, but all your 6.5 PRC seem to be 1-8, so I went 1-8. Shouldni have considered 7.5?

02-04-2019, 03:29 PM	#220
keatonskidmore Ten Point Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Graham, Texas Hunt In: Throckmorton County, Texas	Robert, do y'all have specific few cerakote colors y'all offer? Or is it all of their colors available? The choices are overwhelming.

02-04-2019, 04:43 PM	#224
jettech17 Ten Point Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Pearland,Tx Hunt In: comstock, public	I went with muller as you recommended, but never even thought to ask about groove profile !

02-04-2019, 05:04 PM	#225
sleepymedic1 Ten Point Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Bryan, Texas Hunt In: Brazos/Robertson County/ Mexico	Robert, what length barrel and twist rate would you recommend for a tier 2 in 28 nosler

02-04-2019, 05:49 PM	#227
Phillip Fields Pope & Young Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Chesapeake, VA Hunt In: NC,TX, and anywhere else I can	Robert, I ordered a 1/8 twist in my Tier 1, 20" barrel 7mm-08. Is this going to be satisfactory? I intend to shoot either the 140 or 150 gr Nosler Partition.

02-04-2019, 06:55 PM	#229
Acameron52 Ten Point Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Lewisville Hunt In: Coleman & Loving	Man oh man!! I work right down the road in Euless, I’m gonna stop by one morning when I get off work. I need a rifle for an Elk Hunt next year!!

02-04-2019, 07:02 PM	#230
Buzzsaw Six Point Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Frisco Texas Hunt In: Frio County	better hurry ordering, deadline is looming

02-05-2019, 11:48 AM	#231
kc5rkg Eight Point Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Pearland, Tx Hunt In: South TX	Just ordered mine. Tier 1, 7-08, 20” barrel with 1:9 twist. To the other guys that ordered 20” 7mm barrels, what twist did you get? I was told in order to meet the minimum order of 5 to do the shorter barrel that they also need to be the same twist rate.

02-05-2019, 11:51 AM	#232
CastAndBlast Pope & Young Join Date: May 2008 Location: The Woodlands, TX Hunt In: Texas	I am torn between a 20-22" 6.5 PRC and a 20" 308 Is there any drastic difference that I should be aware of?

02-05-2019, 01:55 PM	#235
Balcones_Walker Eight Point Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Wimberley Hunt In: Rocksprings, Henly	Just ordered a 6mm CM "little man bun", 22”, 1:7.5. Plain carbon (tier 1) no camo, with burnt bronze trim. I love the 6.5 CM and will keep using it when the goal is to get an animal on the ground asap, but it’s proven to be more hp than needed when the focus is on meat preservation (e.g. whitetail and pigs). I looked carefully at .243, 6 Dasher, 25-06, and several others, and worked backwards from the bullet I wanted to use - in the range of the 103gn eld-x @ 2900-3000fps. It’s interesting how different the .243 is from the 6CM in real applications based on twist/bullet selection. The 6 Dasher is exciting but has some less practical aspects as a hunting round given my level of reloading/gunsmithing.

02-06-2019, 04:39 PM	#241
progolferv1 Eight Point Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: dallas	Is the only advantage of the carbon barrel is its lighter? and it look amazing ?

02-06-2019, 05:02 PM	#242
duckhunter1 Nubbin' Buck Join Date: Jan 2018	Robert, Just placed an order for my 1st custom rifle, tier1 in 300wm 24" barrel. I plan to reload 212gr eldx. Would I be better off specifying a longer freebore with the above bullets or should I stick with saami spec?

02-06-2019, 06:00 PM	#244
txfirefighter_04 Ten Point Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Angleton Hunt In: Sonora	Order submitted!! Tier 2 6.5 PRC 24 In Barrel 1:8 Twist

02-06-2019, 09:04 PM	#246
Buzzsaw Six Point Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Frisco Texas Hunt In: Frio County	PRC next year

02-06-2019, 09:27 PM	#247
droptine8850 Eight Point Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: DFW Hunt In: South Taylor county	7mm PRC.....think I'll wait on it! 150 gr ELD-x for deer and heavier stuff for bigger critters

02-06-2019, 09:40 PM	#248
TXHunter12 Ten Point Join Date: May 2013 Location: Spring, TX	On the 20” barrels what other choices are good that maintain velocity like the 7mm-08? I like the 7mm-08. So if needing a 5th person I’d be in. I want to go suppressed also. So the 20 inch sounds good. Where go you look to see what calibers are available in 20 inch?

02-06-2019, 10:18 PM	#249
TXHunter12 Ten Point Join Date: May 2013 Location: Spring, TX	Also for Tier 2 builds where can you see the calibers and lengths available?