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Old 02-08-2019, 09:45 PM   #1
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I recently acquired this fine Ruger No. 1 S 45-70. Since I tend to be a reckless individual, I ordered some plain base aluminum gas checks from Sageís Outdoors for the 405 grain mold I already have; since this should get me to max velocity without stripping the rifling with Ruger loads. I ended up loading half a dozen rounds with a max Marlin charge with 55 grains of 3031 since I didnít have any h4831 on hand. I plan on shooting it tomorrow.. videos will follow.
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Old 02-08-2019, 09:47 PM   #2
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That'll do!
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Old 02-08-2019, 09:50 PM   #3
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Those bullets look huuuge
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Old 02-08-2019, 09:55 PM   #4
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This load should do about 1900 FPS with the 22” barrel.
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Old 02-08-2019, 11:01 PM   #5
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That's gonna leave a mark

Also those lipstick looking bullets are the shizz

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Old 02-08-2019, 11:10 PM   #6
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Purty bullets for sho

What's the scope for? Surely your eyes are fine for the max accuracy range of 3" groups at 90yds

But seriously, watching to learn more and what results are proven. I had a O/U paired with a 12g back in college. We all had fun with that gun. Good Luck.

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Old 02-09-2019, 09:40 AM   #7
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What's the scope for? Surely your eyes are fine for the max accuracy range of 3" groups at 90yds

But seriously, watching to learn more and what results are proven. I had a O/U paired with a 12g back in college. We all had fun with that gun. Good Luck.
Without the scope it would be 9Ē at 90 yards
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You gotta be under 40 years old?


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Yes, but I fail to see how that plays into the subject.
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Old 02-09-2019, 11:49 AM   #10
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Yes, but I fail to see how that plays into the subject.


Thatís a young manís gun is all.
Looks like good fun. My hats off to you.
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Old 02-09-2019, 12:18 PM   #11
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I cast and load those same bullets in min, mine fall out closer to 420 grains. I currently shoot the Beartooth 405 WFN with 51 grains of 3031. That 55 grain load will loosen your fillings in that light rifle, I stopped at 53 and backed off to 51 for a quicker recovery in my levergun.
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Old 02-09-2019, 12:18 PM   #12
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H4831 is too slow a powder for that big of a bore. 3031 is going to give you top velocities, I've been able to push the Hornady 350gr to 2300fps with it out of a 28" barrel.


I'd be interested in your results on the AL plain base gas checks. I tried them recently and accuracy was worse than plain PC but that was with trailboss loads.
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Old 02-09-2019, 02:52 PM   #13
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H4831 is too slow a powder for that big of a bore. 3031 is going to give you top velocities, I've been able to push the Hornady 350gr to 2300fps with it out of a 28" barrel.


I'd be interested in your results on the AL plain base gas checks. I tried them recently and accuracy was worse than plain PC but that was with trailboss loads.
3031 isnít even listed for the modern rifle loads. 4831 or 335 are the top performers for hodgdon/imr.
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Old 02-09-2019, 03:22 PM   #14
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It's tomorrow! Let's see the video
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Old 02-09-2019, 04:37 PM   #15
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In cause I like big bores, and big boars.


I'ma also wonder-n how the recoil compares to a 440gr lead load from a 12ga at 1900 fps with the same weight rifle.
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Old 02-09-2019, 05:53 PM   #16
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In for video....
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Old 02-09-2019, 07:52 PM   #17
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https://youtu.be/5Kb1nDdLsgE

Recoil wasnít as bad as I expected, and the accuracy shows some potential. The first two shots were nearly in the same hole. This is the group that I fired from the bench during the video; there was no cooling down between shots.
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Old 02-09-2019, 08:06 PM   #18
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Not too bad, when I can calm the fears of impending doom I can get just under an inch with my 1895 Marlin in 45-70. Love that rifle but I'm only good for about 6-8 shots from the bench and I'm done.
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Old 02-09-2019, 08:51 PM   #19
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Not too bad, when I can calm the fears of impending doom I can get just under an inch with my 1895 Marlin in 45-70. Love that rifle but I'm only good for about 6-8 shots from the bench and I'm done.
Yep. 1&2 werenít that bad. #3 started to smart!!
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Old 02-09-2019, 10:24 PM   #20
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I’m shooting a Ruger 1 45-70 on my bison hunt next month. Using 405 grain Buffalo Bore rounds that run 2000 FPS and 3597 ft lbs. Hitting the range Sunday to check my scope.
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Old 02-09-2019, 10:32 PM   #21
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Both the Ruger Number 1 and Number 3, in 45-70 can be loaded a lot hotter than a lever gun. They can be loaded up pretty close to a 458 Win. Mag. I shot a Ruger Number 3, some guy cooked up some extremely hot 500 solids for. That was the hardest recoiling gun I have ever shot, it had worse recoil than the 460 Weatherby Mag. I shot, sometime before that. I have shot multiple 458 Win. Mags. those are typically fairly tame recoiling guns, with factory loads. If I ever bought another Ruger number 1, it would be a 45-70, I would not mind having a Number 3 in 45-70, but I would not load it as hot as that nut job did.

That should be a fun gun you have, I am envious.
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Both the Ruger Number 1 and Number 3, in 45-70 can be loaded a lot hotter than a lever gun. They can be loaded up pretty close to a 458 Win. Mag. I shot a Ruger Number 3, some guy cooked up some extremely hot 500 solids for. That was the hardest recoiling gun I have ever shot, it had worse recoil than the 460 Weatherby Mag. I shot, sometime before that. I have shot multiple 458 Win. Mags. those are typically fairly tame recoiling guns, with factory loads. If I ever bought another Ruger number 1, it would be a 45-70, I would not mind having a Number 3 in 45-70, but I would not load it as hot as that nut job did.

That should be a fun gun you have, I am envious.
This makes me want to do two things: buy a 500 grain mold, and buy some 300 grain bullets and some 4831!!
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I've been getting some surprising accuracy from the Lee 500gr 90376 mold but haven't tried pushing them hard. Double check your powder numbers, I bet your thinking of 4198 or 4895.
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I've been getting some surprising accuracy from the Lee 500gr 90376 mold but haven't tried pushing them hard. Double check your powder numbers, I bet your thinking of 4198 or 4895.
You are correct. 4198. Too many numbers running around here haha.
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Old 02-10-2019, 01:37 PM   #25
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Got the Ruger dialed in with the 405 gr buffalo bore ammo (left). Canít wait to see the results next month.
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Got the Ruger dialed in with the 405 gr buffalo bore ammo (left). Canít wait to see the results next month.
What bullet is loaded into those?
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What bullet is loaded into those?
Not sure.... buffalo bore just says itís a jacket flat nose. The bullet on the right is a 325gr hornady leverevoltion with a elastomer Flex Tip and MonoFlex bullet
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Old 02-10-2019, 04:46 PM   #28
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I have to say, I woke up this morning with a sore shoulder. Definitely going to dial her back a bit.
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Old 02-10-2019, 07:36 PM   #29
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I would be testing the jfn bullets, there are lots of stories of the blowing up especially the Remington's and Speers.The 405 WFN Buffalo Bore is a much better choice for hunting. I can text you a pic of a pig with one of then thru his lungs it is ugly.
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