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Old 01-23-2023, 11:33 AM   #1
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So, Iím thinking of putting in for the drawings in New Mexico for Elk, Deer and Pronghorn. From what Ive read thereís only a 6% chance that a non-resident will draw out. Ive never done this so my question is, is it worth even trying or go to Colorado and get an OTC tag for Bull Elk. What are the best units that non-resident might have a chance at? Itís a lot of money to have on hold until they do the drawing and if you dont draw you lose the $79 that goes towards your license. Any help, tips or info would be greatly appreciated.
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Old 01-23-2023, 11:35 AM   #2
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So, Iím thinking of putting in for the drawings in New Mexico for Elk, Deer and Pronghorn. From what Ive read thereís only a 6% chance that a non-resident will draw out. Ive never done this so my question is, is it worth even trying or go to Colorado and get an OTC tag for Bull Elk. What are the best units that non-resident might have a chance at? Itís a lot of money to have on hold until they do the drawing and if you dont draw you lose the $79 that goes towards your license. Any help, tips or info would be greatly appreciated.
The draw odds vary unit to unit. Is it worth it? It definitely is if you draw.
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Old 01-23-2023, 11:38 AM   #3
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So, Iím thinking of putting in for the drawings in New Mexico for Elk, Deer and Pronghorn. From what Ive read thereís only a 6% chance that a non-resident will draw out. Ive never done this so my question is, is it worth even trying or go to Colorado and get an OTC tag for Bull Elk. What are the best units that non-resident might have a chance at? Itís a lot of money to have on hold until they do the drawing and if you dont draw you lose the $79 that goes towards your license. Any help, tips or info would be greatly appreciated.
You misread the situation a little. Non residents without guide only get 6% of tags. Not 6 % chance of drawing.
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Old 01-23-2023, 11:44 AM   #4
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You misread the situation a little. Non residents without guide only get 6% of tags. Not 6 % chance of drawing.
And 6% isnít guaranteed. Only percentage guaranteed is Res no less then 84%

Op NM does a good job publishing their success and application data. But for a small fee to gohunt, epic, Eastmans, etc you can have it in a easier to use format
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I have been pouring over the data in OnX (Toprut). It is a fun research project trying to figure out where you want to play or not play. This will be my 1st year actually applying for anything out West, so I need to figure out what is my actually plan this Fall.
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6% of the tags are not great odds...but 100% guarantee that you will not draw if you do not enter. I put in every year and take my chances...you never know when lady luck is on your side...Good luck!
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Old 01-23-2023, 11:57 AM   #7
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I have the GoHunt membership and have been researching as well. Unit 12 had 100% draw odds for non-resident elk last year with a 17% success rate. Unit 9 was 30%, 21B was 32% and 37 was 30% on draw odds for those. Of those units they are all less than 40% public land with the exception of 21B which is 62%. With all of that being said, I am not looking at putting in for any of those at this time.
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Definitely a tough draw. Youíll have a hard time bud getting anyone to give out their unit of choice. Every name in that pot reduces your chance of drawing. I was hesitant to spend money on a GOHUNT subscription, but itís been the best money Iíve spent to learn each state and their units. Bite the bullet and get it, then have fun researching


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Old 01-23-2023, 12:00 PM   #9
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I have the GoHunt membership and have been researching as well. Unit 12 had 100% draw odds for non-resident elk last year with a 17% success rate. Unit 9 was 30%, 21B was 32% and 37 was 30% on draw odds for those. Of those units they are all less than 40% public land with the exception of 21B which is 62%. With all of that being said, I am not looking at putting in for any of those at this time.
I hunted 36&37 for mule deer last year on a guided hunt. Never saw a mulie but saw more elk than we could count.
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6% of the tags are not great odds...but 100% guarantee that you will not draw if you do not enter. I put in every year and take my chances...you never know when lady luck is on your side...Good luck!
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You misread the situation a little. Non residents without guide only get 6% of tags. Not 6 % chance of drawing.
You are correct, I just didnít word it correctly lol
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Old 01-23-2023, 12:02 PM   #12
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I have the GoHunt membership and have been researching as well. Unit 12 had 100% draw odds for non-resident elk last year with a 17% success rate. Unit 9 was 30%, 21B was 32% and 37 was 30% on draw odds for those. Of those units they are all less than 40% public land with the exception of 21B which is 62%. With all of that being said, I am not looking at putting in for any of those at this time.
Unit 12 was nowhere near a 100% draw odds for non residents
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Old 01-23-2023, 12:04 PM   #13
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I need to add NM as well, getting tired of Wyoming turning it's nose at my applications and hunting the pumpkin patch in CO is getting old.

OP if anyone gives you a unit to apply for, don't do it lol, it's probably a trap. You're gonna have to figure out units on your own but hopefully we get some help with general NM application info and such.
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Old 01-23-2023, 12:05 PM   #14
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nope no elk in NM dont waste your time lol
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Old 01-23-2023, 12:07 PM   #15
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Unit 12 was nowhere near a 100% draw odds for non residents
Just going off what GoHunt had listed as the draw odds for NR. I questioned the validity of it as well.
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Old 01-23-2023, 12:08 PM   #16
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From what I've read, Colorado's OTC hunt units are completely overcrowded, and the pressure is unnatural, but still a chance at success. If I were seriously planning to go western hunting, I'd try to draw each year in a couple states and if unsuccessful, buy the OTC in Colorado and/or other states.
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Old 01-23-2023, 12:10 PM   #17
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This is nowhere near 100% odds
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Old 01-23-2023, 12:15 PM   #18
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This is nowhere near 100% odds
Like I said. I put down the information that was listed in GoHunt and you are correct according to the data that NM Wildlife posted that's nowhere near 100%
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Unit 12 was nowhere near a 100% draw odds for non residents

Glad you said it. I was coming to post this
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I'd be ****** if I was paying gohunt and that was the information they are giving customers
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I hunted 36&37 for mule deer last year on a guided hunt. Never saw a mulie but saw more elk than we could count.
How did you hunt 36 and 37? Different tag unitsÖwith a hwy dividing them
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I'd be ****** if I was paying gohunt and that was the information they are giving customers
Itís not. All databases are only as good as the inputs. He messed up on filter options.
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I was drawn for mule deer rifle in 2B and the next year 2B archery for Elk, so you never know. Its been dry for me the past two years. I have been applying for at least 10 years and have been drawn 3 times.
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How did you hunt 36 and 37? Different tag unitsÖwith a hwy dividing them
Some of the tags you can hunt multiple units.
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nope no elk in NM dont waste your time lol
Wait until he see the credit card float.
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Some of the tags you can hunt multiple units.
You can’t sept or Jan for sure. I hunt them. Oct rifle tags I’m 99% they are divided also
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Old 01-23-2023, 01:11 PM   #27
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Might want to delete those posts. You can't hunt those two units on one tag they are unit specific with different hunt codes
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Might want to delete those posts. You can't hunt those two units on one tag they are unit specific with different hunt codes
Maybe we werenít. Idk. But one thing I do know is that guide was full of ****. By the end of the hunt I named him ďBig FishĒ everything that came out of his mouth was crap.
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Even more reason you might have been in multiple units
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We were hunting in November. Not really sure how that worked but my guide was telling us we were hunting in both those units.
You should report your outfitter/guides to the game and fish if they had you hunting both those units. 37 has very limited tags. 36 has the higher number of elk.
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Old 01-23-2023, 01:57 PM   #32
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Only if you draw that is worth it. Drew 1 time over the many years trying. So I'm leaning to the no side for last 15years or so.
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Nice.

GOHUNT lists 100% NR draw odds for the GMU 12 late archery elk season (December 9 through 13). GOHUNT lists 12 applicants for 10 tags. 10/12=/0.83. Not sure how NM handles party apps. I thought that the listed number of tags was a hard limit. They may have awarded 12 tags, if one of the drawn was a party app? Not sure....interesting.
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Maybe we werenít. Idk. But one thing I do know is that guide was full of ****. By the end of the hunt I named him ďBig FishĒ everything that came out of his mouth was crap.
If you need a great guide for 34,36,37 PM me . He is awesome. Iíd send my wife and daughters to hunt with him.

36 and 37 are almost opposite.
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If you really want to hunt NM, find an outfitter with land owner tags available.
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Nice.

GOHUNT lists 100% NR draw odds for the GMU 12 late archery elk season (December 9 through 13). GOHUNT lists 12 applicants for 10 tags. 10/12=/0.83. Not sure how NM handles party apps. I thought that the listed number of tags was a hard limit. They may have awarded 12 tags, if one of the drawn was a party app? Not sure....interesting.
I'm looking at the TopRut website for draw odds and I'm only seeing 2 non-resident tags given for GMU 12 Late Archery NM and it is says 2.8% draw odds in '22... That sounds way low to me, so questioning how this app calculates it.
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Old 01-23-2023, 05:03 PM   #37
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Ok, just to clear the air, we only hunted in 36. I talked to my GF and she basically told me i was an idiot lol!! My bad.
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So, Iím thinking of putting in for the drawings in New Mexico for Elk, Deer and Pronghorn. From what Ive read thereís only a 6% chance that a non-resident will draw out. Ive never done this so my question is, is it worth even trying or go to Colorado and get an OTC tag for Bull Elk. What are the best units that non-resident might have a chance at? Itís a lot of money to have on hold until they do the drawing and if you dont draw you lose the $79 that goes towards your license. Any help, tips or info would be greatly appreciated.
If you're just wanting to experience the great outdoors and don't care if you kill, much less see, an elk, then Colorado OTC is the way to go!

I did an OTC archery hunt a couple of years ago in an area I've been going to for almost 50 years but never hunted in (always summer fishing trips). Figured my inside knowledge would help me outsmart the crowds.

Nope! There were bowhunters everywhere in a fairly remote location. I did see some elk, fwiw.

Due to availability of information and quality of lightweight backpacking gear, plenty of hunters are willing to join the others going "farther and deeper." There's more than one Cameron Hanes wannabe out there.

All that said, if you just want to get away, go for it! Just don't define success as shooting an elk. If you can wait a few years, you might want to start buying preference or bonus points in the states that offer them. You'll eventually get to at least slightly better odds if you are patient enough.
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Old 01-23-2023, 09:25 PM   #41
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It’s been ten years since I have drawn an elk tag in New Mexico… Just put in with expectations of not drawing, and if you happen to get lucky and draw, go buy a lottery ticket! I have been a little more fortunate with mule deer, but they haven’t been great units.
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Iíve been putting in for in nm for 16 years and havenít drawn a tag yet.
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Old 01-23-2023, 11:53 PM   #43
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Itís been ten years since I have drawn an elk tag in New MexicoÖ Just put in with expectations of not drawing, and if you happen to get lucky and draw, go buy a lottery ticket! I have been a little more fortunate with mule deer, but they havenít been great units.
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Iíve been putting in for in nm for 16 years and havenít drawn a tag yet.
Are y'all putting in for top quality tags or is this a fairly normal expectation across the board.
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Old 01-24-2023, 08:32 AM   #44
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Are y'all putting in for top quality tags or is this a fairly normal expectation across the board.

I put in for middle of the road tags statistically and I havenít drawn one in 12 years. They just donít give out many NR tags compared to resident and outfitted tags.
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Are y'all putting in for top quality tags or is this a fairly normal expectation across the board.
Normal expectations. They are not friendly to NR in their draw.
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Old 01-24-2023, 09:21 AM   #46
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My advice is start reading on NM fish and game site.. Pick an animal and a season and start filtering through past draw results. But understand those result only tell you half of the story. It takes time and effort to find a unit worth hunting if they odds are to high.
You might see a tag that has 25% chance of drawing for elk, but there might not be any public land or elk have already migrated out of the unit or onto private.
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Normal expectations. They are not friendly to NR in their draw.
Thatís pretty much what Iím seeing across the board.
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I have drawn multiple tags in NM and have only applied for a handful of years as a NR. You can get a decent idea off the state site if you have reasonable odds or if it is very low chance of drawing for you. Yes you can put it for super desirable tags and never draw.
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Old 01-24-2023, 01:17 PM   #49
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This may be a dumb question but are there any other states beside Colorado that offer OTC tags?

I was under the impression all of the other western states were draw only for non-residents.


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Old 01-24-2023, 01:27 PM   #50
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This may be a dumb question but are there any other states beside Colorado that offer OTC tags?

I was under the impression all of the other western states were draw only for non-residents.


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Assuming western.
For elk/mule deer/bear.. Idaho
Archery Mule deer AZ not sure on bear and lion
NM LO mule deer, and quota bear and lion

Okla has OTC elk, pronghorn, mule deer and bears

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