9mm duty carry rounds.?

[Stan R]

Are you getting into law enforcement, Troy?

Be afraid. …… very afraid


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[webstertroy]

Are you getting into law enforcement, Troy?

A Humane Investigator

[Leverhunter]

Two different guys living on completely different sides of the city. I guess it could have been ammo from same lot but unlikely. Either way Ive seen enough of fail to perform that I stopped carrying it

Well, looks like I have several boxes of expensive target ammo on hand. Thanks for the reports.

[ren087]

When I carried for work I carried Black Talons, believe they just rebranded them as the Ranger.

^ Same, then switched to Hydra Shock.

[tdwinklr]

124 and/or 115 grn. Gold Dot, handloads.

[Brute Killer]

Hand rolled 124 gr sig v-crowns @ + 1250 fps https://www.sierrabullets.com/produc...r-jhp-v-crown/

124 and/or 115 grn. Gold Dot, handloads.

Have y'all faced a surly DA, after a shoot, with those hand loads?

[Holmes Cycles]

I carry Hornady Critical Defense and/or Duty in my EDC, whatever is cheapest or available between the two

[TacticalCowboy]

Have y'all faced a surly DA, after a shoot, with those hand loads?

Has anyone?

I’d love to see some references of actual trials where this was a factor, if you know of any.

[Brute Killer]

Has anyone?

I’d love to see some references of actual trials where this was a factor, if you know of any.

I don't know of any. My original concealed carry instructor said to avoid using hand loads for self defense due to some DA might want to argue that your intent was to kill outright,,

[fish4food]

I don't know of any. My original concealed carry instructor said to avoid using hand loads for self defense due to some DA might want to argue that your intent was to kill outright,,

I watched a video with Masaad Ayoob (spelling) regarding the same thing. He responded, that is what self defense ammunition is designed, tested, and constantly improved on doing effectively. In other words, duhhhh.

I don’t reload, so FMJ’s for me. And P, for plenty.

[Leverhunter]

I don't know of any. My original concealed carry instructor said to avoid using hand loads for self defense due to some DA might want to argue that your intent was to kill outright,,

This is a common point brought up in carry classes. 50 years ago quality 9mm self defense ammo didn't exist in factory form. Today with all the good factory defense ammo available there is know reason to give a lawyer an opening to exploit.

[tdwinklr]

Have y'all faced a surly DA, after a shoot, with those hand loads?

here we go again ... what difference would it make, hand loads vs. factory?
I'll take my chances if I'm defending myself.

[Quackerbox]

Has anyone?



I’d love to see some references of actual trials where this was a factor, if you know of any.

Other than chew, I don't think anyone else here who has seen more cases gone to grand jury or met with DAs on scenes going to one than me

I've yet to meet a single DA investigator that would be able to tell the difference between a hand load and a factory. Much less the ability to ask the necessary questions.

Then realize the grand jury is a panel of people who aren't smart enough to get out of jury duty in the first place. I've also heard and read more "my chl instructor told me to say this and I could do this"

The last guy who said that after a real incident where he shot a guy that tried to bum a cigarette then punched him in the face went to jail. I recommend taking a chl class, getting your license and then doing your own research on what to say and do after a shooting.

With any bullet

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[Jeremy7306]

FWPD uses gold dot 124gr, at least a couple years ago they did. That was after a bunch of testing by them. If that says anything. It’s why I carry the same. I’m not leo though. Just a law abiding citizen


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[Randell]

There is a big difference between the critical defense and the critical duty.. the gentleman who “investigated” the crime scenes should’ve know this. I have seen and witnessed first hand the critical duty and it performed very well (9mm), HST performed just slightly better during testing. FBI testing was conducted on glass, metal, clothing etc….