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    #91
    The aflcio, ctw, and the iww represent millions of socialists engaged in liberal, progressive, and marxists politics.. currently pushing the Pro Act to remove the "Right to Work" from 27 states.. we have joe biden because of these "unions".
    The iww is full of anarchist, antifa, and Red Caucus members, the DSA, (democratic socialists of america), the CPUSA, (communist party of USA. All working to remove our Constitutional Rights.

    Statement of Purpose We are a multi-tendency collective of communists. We formed to share our assessments of local, national, and international developments in order to help influence, organize and…


    Official website of the Communist Party USA, est. 1919.


    We are a caucus of communist organizers in the DSA. We believe in rebuilding class organization and supporting the struggle against capital.


    Last edited by Zmaxhunter; 08-08-2021, 09:48 AM.

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      #92

      These unions want the open borders, want to give illegals citizenship, want the collapse of our Republic.
      Are you familiar with the Socialist Rifle Association?


      cpusa and the Pro act

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        #93
        Originally posted by Tyrex750 View Post
        Who would leave a job making 50 bucks a hr and sitting in a control room. I know plenty operator's and they have it made, but its not easy to get a job with a plant anymore.
        So, you think everyone sits in a control room? Lol! Who do you think turns the valves, loads and unloads trucks, rail cars, barges, ships, maintains the eqpt, writes permits, does LOTO, etc? Sure as hell is not the board man.

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          #94
          Originally posted by Tyrex750 View Post
          Who would leave a job making 50 bucks a hr and sitting in a control room. I know plenty operator's and they have it made, but its not easy to get a job with a plant anymore.
          And here in the past 10 years this is the exact attitude of 75% of the new hires, especially the ones with just the operator certificate and zero plant experience. I make that much, been in the plants for 30+ years, and have NEVER just sat in a control room having it made.
          Those workers that were locked out months ago are getting the raw end of the deal. Companies wanting to take away from the workers that operate and make the products so the investors and shareholders make their money.
          And I just read where XOM had huge profits the last quarter.

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            #95
            Originally posted by Grndchecker View Post
            And here in the past 10 years this is the exact attitude of 75% of the new hires, especially the ones with just the operator certificate and zero plant experience. I make that much, been in the plants for 30+ years, and have NEVER just sat in a control room having it made.
            Those workers that were locked out months ago are getting the raw end of the deal. Companies wanting to take away from the workers that operate and make the products so the investors and shareholders make their money.
            And I just read where XOM had huge profits the last quarter.
            First, I believe a company’s greatest asset is its employees.

            Playing Devil’s advocate here: If you had a company would you operate lean (potentially making folks not happy) and maximize profitability setting your business up for success in the long run or would you operate fat (people are still probably going to not be happy) and take a chance at profitability and longevity of your business?

            Also, have you seen Exxon’s earnings over the past year? I’m fairly certain 2Q earnings haven’t put a dent in the debt that was created over that time period.

            I’d love to be able to see the ‘wants’ from each side on these negotiations.

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              #96
              Most workers i have seen that load and work outside are contractors. Don't see many operators getting dirty at the bigger plants. Trust me, yall have it alot easier then a whole lot of people.

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                #97
                Originally posted by Tyrex750 View Post
                Most workers i have seen that load and work outside are contractors. Don't see many operators getting dirty at the bigger plants. Trust me, yall have it alot easier then a whole lot of people.
                How much are you able to actually see from a loading/unloading rack? Are you able to see the operators in an alky unit wearing slicker suits and Level A in 90+ degree temps?

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                  #98
                  Originally posted by Tyrex750 View Post
                  Most workers i have seen that load and work outside are contractors. Don't see many operators getting dirty at the bigger plants. Trust me, yall have it alot easier then a whole lot of people.
                  Have you ever seen the size of the breakfasts they have to cook?

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                    #99
                    Originally posted by Traildust View Post
                    Have you ever seen the size of the breakfasts they have to cook?
                    We stopped cooking years ago. Your bosses and contract companies just deliver them to us now.

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                      Originally posted by Bayouboy View Post
                      We stopped cooking years ago. Your bosses and contract companies just deliver them to us now.
                      Ya....only way we could get permits before 8am!

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                        Not trying to stir the hornets nest but,

                        I understand and agree why unions came into existence over 200 years ago. Labor unions were created in order to help the workers with work-related difficulties such as low pay, unsafe or unsanitary working conditions, long hours, etc. Now 200 years later, what value does the union provide that various federal and state laws don't. What value is there of a union anymore? It seems to me that they have just simply become a business themselves generating revenue through dues and such.
                        Maybe it's just me but I just don't see the real need of a union anymore and I can't help but to think they are causing more harm them good. Lastly, I would tend to think that any unionized business would have increased operating costs ,which either have to be passed along to the consumer, or results in lower profits for the business.

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                          Originally posted by Tyrex750 View Post
                          Most workers i have seen that load and work outside are contractors. Don't see many operators getting dirty at the bigger plants. Trust me, yall have it alot easier then a whole lot of people.
                          I should just back button and ignore, but 30+ years as an operator has eroded my brain to mouth filter.

                          The way I see operators is we are a break glass in case of emergency worker. Board operators at most places are running a potential bomb. We are trained to know what to do to prevent catastrophes and we should get paid for what we know and are capable of preventing.
                          The good shifts I have can be wiped away in an instant. I make a lot of plastic and extruders are 600 degrees plus and alkyls require flash suits. I get dirty, sweaty, and smelly, but I like what I do and it has provided me a good life.
                          The unions of the past and present have made a lot of that possible by representing workers rights as far as hours worked in a row, safety of equipment, and pay.
                          I'm not at a union plant, but I appreciate what the union stands for and I do benefit from them.

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                            Originally posted by Grndchecker View Post
                            I should just back button and ignore, but 30+ years as an operator has eroded my brain to mouth filter.

                            The way I see operators is we are a break glass in case of emergency worker. Board operators at most places are running a potential bomb. We are trained to know what to do to prevent catastrophes and we should get paid for what we know and are capable of preventing.
                            The good shifts I have can be wiped away in an instant. I make a lot of plastic and extruders are 600 degrees plus and alkyls require flash suits. I get dirty, sweaty, and smelly, but I like what I do and it has provided me a good life.
                            The unions of the past and present have made a lot of that possible by representing workers rights as far as hours worked in a row, safety of equipment, and pay.
                            I'm not at a union plant, but I appreciate what the union stands for and I do benefit from them.
                            Wish we had a like button! I’d give this post 1000 or more likes!

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                              Worked for a communication company that was union years ago. They were getting ready to sell, so I guess to make profits look better they laid off several hundred folks. I was one of them. If you had seniority you were good. I had only been there for 3 years at the time. It didn’t matter if you were a lazy pos. If you had enough seniority, you still had a job.
                              I look back on it now and am glad of what happened. I now get paid for my knowledge and abilities, not some wage scale where everyone of the same classification makes the same money, regardless of skill level.
                              Eff a union

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