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Old 07-27-2021, 02:36 PM   #1551
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Plot thickens.
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Old 07-27-2021, 02:36 PM   #1552
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Wisconsin?
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Old 07-27-2021, 02:44 PM   #1553
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Quick top 25 programs of all time google. Teams I don't have:

Wisconsin
Michigan State
Ole Miss
Washington
Georgia Tech

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Old 07-27-2021, 02:52 PM   #1554
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I'll start.....22....


Alabama
LSU
Florida
Georgia
Tennessee
Oklahoma
Texas
Texas A&M
Arkansas
Auburn
Notre Dame
Florida State
Miami
Clemson
Virginia Tech
Michigan
Ohio State
Penn State
Nebraska
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If your going off fanbase size add BYU. Kansas/North Carolina have a big fanbase too but if we're going off football programs they don't get in.

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Old 07-27-2021, 02:57 PM   #1555
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West Virginia should also probably be in there, and one each of the Iowa/Arizona schools

28) Iowa
29) BYU
30) West Virginia
31) Arizona or Arizona State?
32) ? make it a lottery ball between the remaining 34 LOL

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Old 07-27-2021, 03:10 PM   #1556
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I'm ready for Tech to go somewhere else. I hope it's pac12 to keep the revenue up. I will miss playing UT. I'm a realist and I believe given apples to apples Tech should never beat UT especially in football. The times we did are something to brag on and hang your hat on. David vs Goliath. I do have to say UT needs to go asap because the tech kids are going to throw car batteries at Chris Beard

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I always thought moving to the PAC would be really awkward because of all the west coast start times. But if Tech could get another team or 3 to go with them, they could even out that schedule some. Tech is the one I feel the worst for in all of this. If only they hadn't effed up the Leach deal, they may still be swinging a bigger stick.
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You want to wager $5,000 on that? I will bet $5,000 both OU and UT are approved into SEC. Let me know ifnyou want in.
You will have a hell of a time getting him to pay up.

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Old 07-27-2021, 03:19 PM   #1558
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So what about the other sports? How does this work for basketball? The tournament. Baseball. Omaha.

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So what about the other sports? How does this work for basketball? The tournament. Baseball. Omaha.

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Nope this is a football only deal. Football dwarfs the other sports in terms of money, in fact the other sports rely on football to subsidize them. The only other sport that turns a profit is mens basketball and at some schools womens basketball.
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Old 07-27-2021, 03:30 PM   #1560
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I think you would have to look at all sports as a whole. Not just football.
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Old 07-27-2021, 03:31 PM   #1561
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I think you would have to look at all sports as a whole. Not just football.
Nope football is all that matters, the $$$ says so
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That can't and won't happen.

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I sure hope Kansas is ok in all of this......

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Old 07-27-2021, 03:41 PM   #1564
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can't wait to see the college gameday signs.
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Old 07-27-2021, 03:42 PM   #1565
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I think you would have to look at all sports as a whole. Not just football.
I'm guessing you aren't aware of the inequity of income between college football and the other sports. The distance has really accelerated and grow over the last 2 decades, if it was about all sports OU and UT would not be moving conferences.
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Plot thickens.

Did we read that all the way through.. or is my sarcasm meter broke.
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I'm guessing you aren't aware of the inequity of income between college football and the other sports. The distance has really accelerated and grow over the last 2 decades, if it was about all sports OU and UT would not be moving conferences.
So all other college sports will cease to exist?

Again I doubt that.

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So all other college sports will cease to exist?

Again I doubt that.

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No they will still exist but many schools will park their non football sports in different conferences or even separate conferences for separate sports, thats already happening with some schools. College football is on the verge of becoming big enough regional matchups don't matter, its the biggest schools/fanbase that matters, why else would USC be talking with the Big 10 now.

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can't wait to see the college gameday signs.

Iíve been thinking of this a lot. Tailgating is going to be crazy this year. Itís going to be fun.

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Old 07-27-2021, 04:01 PM   #1570
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Did we read that all the way through.. or is my sarcasm meter broke.
Tap tap tap.
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Old 07-27-2021, 04:02 PM   #1571
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If talking football only, I like the European soccer model. I’m sure it’s been discussed here at sometime or another. Have 3 tiers. Top tier by whatever metric and 20-30 teams. Bottom 5 of each tier move down to the next tier, top 5 move up. Each tier divides the money between teams that particular year. Top 2 teams of the top tier play for a national championship.
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Will it be weird if the LHN becomes the "SEC West Channel" with primary offices in Austin.
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Old 07-27-2021, 04:05 PM   #1573
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If talking football only, I like the European soccer model. Iím sure itís been discussed here at sometime or another. Have 3 tiers. Top tier by whatever metric and 20-30 teams. Bottom 5 of each tier move down to the next tier, top 5 move up. Each tier divides the money between teams that particular year. Top 2 teams of the top tier play for a national championship.
That would be very interesting like the feeder series in golf or racing the top performers in a series move up the underperforming ones get cut.
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Old 07-27-2021, 04:07 PM   #1574
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That would be very interesting like the feeder series in golf or racing the top performers in a series move up the underperforming ones get cut.
I realize it would never happen because these powerful conferences would have to give up control and power, but it is fun to entertain.
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Will it be weird if the LHN becomes the "SEC West Channel" with primary offices in Austin.
I can definitely see a push for this, except TX having to share a network with other teams. So wonít happen
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I can definitely see a push for this, except TX having to share a network with other teams. So won’t happen
The LHN as currently constituted will go away or get rolled into the SEC Network. Texas won't have its own network. The contract with ESPN will likely get rolled in to the SEC profit sharing, but there is chance that it is bought out by ESPN for Texas to use to pay the Big 12 buy out money.
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Will it be weird if the LHN becomes the "SEC West Channel" with primary offices in Austin.
Deja vu all over again . . I don't see that happening . . .
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Deja vu all over again . . I don't see that happening . . .
It has been ESPNs plan all along. Not saying it is 100% but it has already been talked about for months.
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I can definitely see a push for this, except TX having to share a network with other teams. So wonít happen
It is part of the package, it wont be Texas 24/7.
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Nope football is all that matters, the $$$ says so
Case in point. Okla State has 52 team national championships which ranks them 4th in the NCAA. One is in football and that's only if you count the one they were retroactively awarded for the 1945 season The rest are mostly in wrestling and golf -- non-revenue producing sports which very few people care about. Strong athletics across the board but without their football team in a major conference I wonder if there will be enough money for those other sports to survive.
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I'm guessing you aren't aware of the inequity of income between college football and the other sports. The distance has really accelerated and grow over the last 2 decades, if it was about all sports OU and UT would not be moving conferences.
I well aware of the of the inequity in income. Football drives and supports the others
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Case in point. Okla State has 52 team national championships which ranks them 4th in the NCAA. One is in football and that's only if you count the one they were retroactively awarded for the 1945 season The rest are mostly in wrestling and golf -- non-revenue producing sports which very few people care about. Strong athletics across the board but without their football team in a major conference I wonder if there will be enough money for those other sports to survive.

None of this revolves around wins and loses in football or any other sport in my opinion. It's all about money and TV ratings. Who has the biggest fan base and can generate the most revenue. If it was about winning, Texas wouldn't be asked to sit at the dinner table. Since 2009, Texas' last national title contender, Ok State, TCU, Kansas State, Baylor and West Virginia all have more wins than Texas.. I would assume that there are teams on that list that will be left out because they are not big market schools. Sad state of affairs. Some really good schools that will get crushed in this fiasco bc of greed.
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None of this revolves around wins and loses in football or any other sport in my opinion. It's all about money and TV ratings. Who has the biggest fan base and can generate the most revenue. If it was about winning, Texas wouldn't be asked to sit at the dinner table. Since 2009, Texas' last national title contender, Ok State, TCU, Kansas State, Baylor and West Virginia all have more wins than Texas.. I would assume that there are teams on that list that will be left out because they are not big market schools. Sad state of affairs. Some really good schools that will get crushed in this fiasco bc of greed.
Same thing has happened in the retail world especially in small Texas towns.
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It is part of the package, it wont be Texas 24/7.
I hope you're right about this. I hate seeing the same games over and over again and especially some of the other culture crap they show.
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As mentioned previouslyÖ.

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None of this revolves around wins and loses in football or any other sport in my opinion. It's all about money and TV ratings. Who has the biggest fan base and can generate the most revenue. If it was about winning, Texas wouldn't be asked to sit at the dinner table. Since 2009, Texas' last national title contender, Ok State, TCU, Kansas State, Baylor and West Virginia all have more wins than Texas.. I would assume that there are teams on that list that will be left out because they are not big market schools. Sad state of affairs. Some really good schools that will get crushed in this fiasco bc of greed.
2004-2009 Texas made a run the others can only dream about. A couple of breaks away from multiple national championships. Nice how you started righr after that. Lol. The SEC also knows Texas can do it again whereas the others not so much.

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I had no idea we had this many socialists here on TBH.
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2004-2009 Texas made a run the others can only dream about. A couple of breaks away from multiple national championships. Nice how you started righr after that. Lol. The SEC also knows Texas can do it again whereas the others not so much.

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I was simply stating a point. Typical arrogant response from you. Take the goggles off and look at things objectively for once. Honestly, I could care less what happens personally to Texas or the Bog 12. Tech is in a much better position than most to find a good landing spots bc of their fan base and ratings.
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I had no idea we had this many socialists here on TBH.

It's not about socialism. It's about doing what's best for college athletics and keeping it pure. Way too much **** politics and media involved these days.
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None of this revolves around wins and loses in football or any other sport in my opinion. It's all about money and TV ratings. Who has the biggest fan base and can generate the most revenue. If it was about winning, Texas wouldn't be asked to sit at the dinner table. Since 2009, Texas' last national title contender, Ok State, TCU, Kansas State, Baylor and West Virginia all have more wins than Texas.. I would assume that there are teams on that list that will be left out because they are not big market schools. Sad state of affairs. Some really good schools that will get crushed in this fiasco bc of greed.
It really is a sad state of affairs and we shall see how good this is for CFB in the long-term. This really can be traced all the way back to the demise of the SWC. Tech and Baylor were lucky and had enough political clout back then to stay at the table. However, even the Big 12 had it's issues early on. The unequal revenue sharing in addition with the annual Neb/OU rivalry going by the wayside. There was stability for a short while, but that didn't last very long, just shy of 15 years. The SWC came to an end in mid 1996...Aggie announced their move to the SEC in 2010.

The rest of the Big 12 without OU/UT is just about screwed on the money. Only KU and IS have the academics to even be considered by the Big 10. The PAC doesn't need to expand; although they could take TTU, OSU and 2 others if they wanted. Baylor and TCU have little hope with their religious affiliations, even if the perception exceeds the reality. WVU is on a island and the ACC turned them down before.

My guess is the neither the Big 10 or PAC do anything initially as neither have to. Regardless, whatever ends up being left in the Big 12 will probably duke it out with the American one way or another in order to form what probably would end up being the 5th best conference. The TV contract would not rival any of the other 4 major conferences, but it probably will be much higher than any other mid-major conference out there.
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It's not about socialism. It's about doing what's best for college athletics and keeping it pure. Way too much **** politics and media involved these days.
I agree but things change and the good old days of college football are done. Those left behind will have to fight and claw to survive the best they can, don't mean those athletic programs won't eventually die and the college towns economies won't suffer, it is what it is.
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I had no idea we had this many socialists here on TBH.
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The rest of the Big 12 without OU/UT is just about screwed on the money. Only KU and IS have the academics to even be considered by the Big 10. The PAC doesn't need to expand; although they could take TTU, OSU and 2 others if they wanted. Baylor and TCU have little hope with their religious affiliations, even if the perception exceeds the reality. WVU is on a island and the ACC turned them down before.

My guess is the neither the Big 10 or PAC do anything initially as neither have to. Regardless, whatever ends up being left in the Big 12 will probably duke it out with the American one way or another in order to form what probably would end up being the 5th best conference. The TV contract would not rival any of the other 4 major conferences, but it probably will be much higher than any other mid-major conference out there.
100%, you hit it on the nose on whats going to happen. The way I see it the only way this scenario doesn't play out is if the state legislatures get involved and at this point it doesn't look like thats going to happen.
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bad take imo
Second time the socialist defense has been used in this thread, start counting
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It really is a sad state of affairs and we shall see how good this is for CFB in the long-term. This really can be traced all the way back to the demise of the SWC. Tech and Baylor were lucky and had enough political clout back then to stay at the table. However, even the Big 12 had it's issues early on. The unequal revenue sharing in addition with the annual Neb/OU rivalry going by the wayside. There was stability for a short while, but that didn't last very long, just shy of 15 years. The SWC came to an end in mid 1996...Aggie announced their move to the SEC in 2010.

The rest of the Big 12 without OU/UT is just about screwed on the money. Only KU and IS have the academics to even be considered by the Big 10. The PAC doesn't need to expand; although they could take TTU, OSU and 2 others if they wanted. Baylor and TCU have little hope with their religious affiliations, even if the perception exceeds the reality. WVU is on a island and the ACC turned them down before.

My guess is the neither the Big 10 or PAC do anything initially as neither have to. Regardless, whatever ends up being left in the Big 12 will probably duke it out with the American one way or another in order to form what probably would end up being the 5th best conference. The TV contract would not rival any of the other 4 major conferences, but it probably will be much higher than any other mid-major conference out there.
This is my Gut Feeling. The Big 12 is going to gobble up the best of non power 5 and become the best Non Power 4 conference. Schools like TCU and Baylor are getting screwed in all of this
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This is my Gut Feeling. The Big 12 is going to gobble up the best of non power 5 and become the best Non Power 4 conference. Schools like TCU and Baylor are getting screwed in all of this
TCU been through this all before in 1995, getting reamed twice in 25 years thats rough
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Old 07-27-2021, 07:15 PM   #1598
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I was simply stating a point. Typical arrogant response from you. Take the goggles off and look at things objectively for once. Honestly, I could care less what happens personally to Texas or the Bog 12. Tech is in a much better position than most to find a good landing spots bc of their fan base and ratings.
So you trash my team and I come to their defense by stating facts and that is arrogance?

I know you are a Red Raider fan scorned but come on man.


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Old 07-27-2021, 07:38 PM   #1599
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I was simply stating a point. Typical arrogant response from you. Take the goggles off and look at things objectively for once. Honestly, I could care less what happens personally to Texas or the Bog 12. Tech is in a much better position than most to find a good landing spots bc of their fan base and ratings.
I feel for Tech and TCU. But Tech does not pull ratings in any sport especially football. Unfortunately because of that they are screwed. The remaining 8 teams on their own just barely out rate the AAC schools. Its almost even. Hope Tech and TCU find landing places but its not going to be easy.
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Old 07-27-2021, 07:49 PM   #1600
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