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Old 11-02-2018, 08:58 AM   #101
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Here's your problem... you. It was talked about but never clearly on the list and not made clear with all the members. What you need to do is... If you're the lease manager, YOU need to apologize to the rest of your hunters for not doing your job so they can be mad at the appropriate target....
This is the correct answer.
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Old 11-02-2018, 09:00 AM   #102
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Dumpster fire
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Old 11-02-2018, 09:02 AM   #103
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If this thread is any indication there may be a communication problem
This for sure.
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We had this happen last year. Took his keys and escorted him out the gate.
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Old 11-02-2018, 09:11 AM   #105
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We had this happen last year. Took his keys and escorted him out the gate.
Yeah I can see where you would do that to the lease manager with this senario!
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Old 11-02-2018, 09:11 AM   #106
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We had this happen last year. Took his keys and escorted him out the gate.
The lease manager?
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Old 11-02-2018, 09:11 AM   #107
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Lol, I love how the OP has disappeared like a whisp of smoke on the wind
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Old 11-02-2018, 09:14 AM   #108
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Is there a shoot list AND a no shoot list? Is that where the confusion of him being on/not being on the list comes from?
Bingo and he was on the no shoot list and never taken off of it !!!
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Old 11-02-2018, 09:23 AM   #109
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Bingo and he was on the no shoot list and never taken off of it !!!
"I mean I understand he is 5.5 are older but we had him on the no kill list . I donít want to be that lease manager that changed the rules for one guy what do I do we did talk about this buck maybe going on the list because we thought he was 5.5 but never made that clear with all the members the member made a decision on his own and said he is definitely 5.5 and shot the buck without telling the rest of us .. and other members are mad including myself because they thought he was on the no kill list !!"

But now that the OP didn't get to harvest the buck, it was always on the list. I think this is definitely a case of hunter envy.
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Old 11-02-2018, 09:27 AM   #110
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Short answer, get over it.
Long answer, get over it.
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Old 11-02-2018, 09:30 AM   #112
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Sounds like a Baptist lease...got to form a committee before you can shoot a deer

Iím just glad i hunt private land
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Old 11-02-2018, 09:30 AM   #113
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WOW as the guy that I guess is sorta in charge sure glad we do not have this type of drama and the let it go deal still makes me smile as I have leases all around me its not like we are holding deer on 437 acres in size .
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Old 11-02-2018, 09:30 AM   #114
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I mean I understand he is 5.5 are older but we had him on the no kill list . I donít want to be that lease manager that changed the rules for one guy what do I do we did talk about this buck maybe going on the list because we thought he was 5.5 but never made that clear with all the members the member made a decision on his own and said he is definitely 5.5 and shot the buck without telling the rest of us .. and other members are mad including myself because they thought he was on the no kill list !!


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Old 11-02-2018, 09:31 AM   #115
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I think I can see the problem.
I think most of us can except for the OP.
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Old 11-02-2018, 09:31 AM   #116
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This sounds oddly familiar.

The other buck he shot was within lease rules. The whole "and on top of that he already shot a nice buck" doesn't fit anywhere with your argument so forget about that.

Now onto the "trophy" deer. Your rules state that hunters can shoot 5.5 and older deer. You also have a no shoot list. Is the no shoot list for all age of deer or only for deer that y'all determine are less than 5.5? If any age buck can make the no shoot list and he shot a buck on the no shoot list then it shouldn't matter the age and he should be dealt with.

I see three options.
1. remove him from the lease
2. keep him but tell him hes not allowed a trophy next year (since he wasn't forthcoming about shooting the buck I wouldn't personally go this route)
3. do nothing

Regardless of which you choose, you as the lease manager, have to be a better communicator. If your communication with your lease mates is anything like your communication on this thread then I can understand where the waters get muddied. Also in all future communications with your lease members drop all the !!!!! if you want them to view you as a grown man and not a teeny bopper.
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Old 11-02-2018, 09:34 AM   #117
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Let me take a wild guess. You did not congratulate him or take his pictures and took your toys and went home
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Old 11-02-2018, 09:34 AM   #118
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this is a case of not only poor communication on the part of the lease manager but also changing the rules after the person joined the lease.
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Old 11-02-2018, 09:42 AM   #119
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...off to the pit of misery?
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Old 11-02-2018, 09:45 AM   #120
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this is a case of not only poor communication on the part of the lease manager but also changing the rules after the person joined the lease.
The rules were never changed yes 5.5 are older is fair game that is in the rules but the buck was clearly on a no kill list that all the members had !! And second the buck was never found . And the lease member never mentioned shooting the deer to anyone on the lease !
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Old 11-02-2018, 09:47 AM   #121
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Hunter didn't do anything wrong.

This all sounds like jealousy and poor communication. Hunter has harvested two good bucks that agree with your rules and everybody else is jealous they didn't get to harvest those bucks themselves. Sounds like somebody else wanted to shoot this buck in question and was waiting for it to show up at their feeder before saying "hey guys, this buck we bent the rules for is on the SHOOT list now"

IMO it is a lease management issue. Keep clean crisp rules and don't change them for things that "might" happen. That same deer "might have" ended up hit by a car and dead on the side of the road. If your rule is 5.5 years old, that's it. No special cases. Your own posts have been bent and info withheld in attempt to sway the story your own way. Your lease rules appear to do the same.




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Old 11-02-2018, 09:47 AM   #122
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The rules were never changed yes 5.5 are older is fair game that is in the rules but the buck was clearly on a no kill list that all the members had !! And second the buck was never found . And the lease member never mentioned shooting the deer to anyone on the lease !
Your story is all over the **** place. If anything your credibility on this is shot.
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Old 11-02-2018, 09:48 AM   #123
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so how do you know he shot the deer ?? never found , never mentioned ? WOW clear as mud
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Old 11-02-2018, 09:48 AM   #124
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It sounds to me like y’all need a Beer Summitt and a campfire to hash this out.
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Old 11-02-2018, 09:49 AM   #125
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Well another problem is he never recovered the buck but another lease member caught wind of him shooting the buck ! And was asking since when do we shoot bucks that are not on the No Kill list ! Of course we didnít have a clue what was going on !!


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So, he was never recovered? Might not of actually killed it. The wouldn't be against the no kill list. That argument would seem to really fit on this lease.
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Old 11-02-2018, 09:49 AM   #126
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The rules were never changed yes 5.5 are older is fair game that is in the rules but the buck was clearly on a no kill list that all the members had !! And second the buck was never found . And the lease member never mentioned shooting the deer to anyone on the lease !


Where's the proof he actually shot it? Or is this one man's word vs another?


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Old 11-02-2018, 09:54 AM   #127
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First rule that could have been broken was shooting a buck under the age limit (he did not break that rule)

Second rule that could have been broken was shooting a buck that was on the do not shoot list (he did break that)

The question comes down to how clear and concise the "no shoot list" was created AND communicated to the entire group. If there was not a clear and concise no shoot list with agreed upon ages included that was given to each and every member then this mistake is on the person that was in charge of the "no shoot list", not the hunter. If the hunter shot a buck at all and it was not reported or logged and the lease agreement requires all buck kills to be reported or logged then that is on the hunter and is a MUCH bigger deal in my mind, and also leads to suspicion that he may have known that this buck was on the "no shoot list". Sounds like a trouble lease member to me, but it also sounds like the person in charge of the lease needs to dot their i's and cross their t's when it comes to the rules of the lease and the "do not shoot list"
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Old 11-02-2018, 09:58 AM   #128
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Where's the proof he actually shot it? Or is this one man's word vs another?


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He came out on a group text after another member text in the group so when is it ok to shoot a buck thatís not on the No Kill list . Of course nobody on the group new what he was talking about and a couple of members asked what are you talking about and several minutes later the guy comes on there and tells his story


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Old 11-02-2018, 10:00 AM   #129
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And second the buck was never found . And the lease member never mentioned shooting the deer to anyone on the lease !
This just keeps getting better and better.
I wonder, is this guy a member here as well??
Would like to hear his story before I decide a verdict!!
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Old 11-02-2018, 10:02 AM   #130
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It's a deer. Hunting is supposed to be fun. I'll never understand the drama.
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Old 11-02-2018, 10:04 AM   #131
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It's a deer. Hunting is supposed to be fun. I'll never understand the drama.


Beat me to it. I totally understand the management part, but it a fun hobby. Deep down, when this comes up, I think the other lease members are just jealous because they were hoping to have a chance at the buck next year...


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Old 11-02-2018, 10:05 AM   #132
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First rule that could have been broken was shooting a buck under the age limit (he did not break that rule)

Second rule that could have been broken was shooting a buck that was on the do not shoot list (he did break that)

The question comes down to how clear and concise the "no shoot list" was created AND communicated to the entire group. If there was not a clear and concise no shoot list with agreed upon ages included that was given to each and every member then this mistake is on the person that was in charge of the "no shoot list", not the hunter. If the hunter shot a buck at all and it was not reported or logged and the lease agreement requires all buck kills to be reported or logged then that is on the hunter and is a MUCH bigger deal in my mind, and also leads to suspicion that he may have known that this buck was on the "no shoot list". Sounds like a trouble lease member to me, but it also sounds like the person in charge of the lease needs to dot their i's and cross their t's when it comes to the rules of the lease and the "do not shoot list"


I agree I understand my faults in this as the lease manager . What worries me most is it just seems he wasnít going to tell anyone he shot the deer since he didnít find it !!


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Old 11-02-2018, 10:05 AM   #133
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OP, do you see any of the guys’ opposing points on this issue? What were your expectations in posting this thread? It’s abundantly clear (unlike your lease rules ) you’re not going to change your position on this matter.

Again, this is all over a deer. If it’s about him, kick him off the lease. It’s really simple.
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Old 11-02-2018, 10:06 AM   #134
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OP, if your gut is telling you that this member is going to be a problem going forward Iíd let him go after the season. If not then just be sure everyone is on the same page & what the penaltyís would be if the rules are not followed. My 2 cents, good luck.
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Old 11-02-2018, 10:06 AM   #135
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Well put.

Take the blame Hoss.
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Old 11-02-2018, 10:06 AM   #136
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He came out on a group text after another member text in the group so when is it ok to shoot a buck thatís not on the No Kill list . Of course nobody on the group new what he was talking about and a couple of members asked what are you talking about and several minutes later the guy comes on there and tells his story


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Old 11-02-2018, 10:07 AM   #137
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Just a discussion guys like many others on the green screen and by the way he used a RAGE lol


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Old 11-02-2018, 10:10 AM   #138
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I mean I understand he is 5.5 are older but we had him on the no kill list . I donít want to be that lease manager that changed the rules for one guy what do I do we did talk about this buck maybe going on the list because we thought he was 5.5 but never made that clear with all the members the member made a decision on his own and said he is definitely 5.5 and shot the buck without telling the rest of us .. and other members are mad including myself because they thought he was on the no kill list !!


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I think the ball was dropped and grace should be extended here.

The deer met the 5.5 year old published rule.
The deer was only discussed going on the no shoot list.
If it was on the list, it was not communicated to all members.

Feel bad for the folks that believed he was on the list and passed on him. But again, sounds like improvements in the communication plan is needed.
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Old 11-02-2018, 10:13 AM   #140
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Mistakes happen. LET IT GO, and move on.
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Old 11-02-2018, 10:14 AM   #141
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Letís look at this at another angle say I as the lease manager shot the buck after it was on the no kill list ? Would it makes things different?


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Old 11-02-2018, 10:14 AM   #142
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The rules were never changed yes 5.5 are older is fair game that is in the rules but the buck was clearly on a no kill list that all the members had !! And second the buck was never found . And the lease member never mentioned shooting the deer to anyone on the lease !
I'm not sure how drunk you were when you started the thread but you continually go back and forth on saying he was on the list then that he was not

If he was not on the list then tough **** he did nothing wrong with shooting that deer
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Old 11-02-2018, 10:15 AM   #143
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Its a buck! He is old enough and there is only several million more in this state!!! Geeze some folks act like he is the scared one! Its a legal buck and meets your agreement on age so move on, say congrats and get over it and quit trying to ruin the enjoyment of hunting.
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He came out on a group text after another member text in the group so when is it ok to shoot a buck thatís not on the No Kill list . Of course nobody on the group new what he was talking about and a couple of members asked what are you talking about and several minutes later the guy comes on there and tells his story


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Letís look at this at another angle say I as the lease manager shot the buck after it was on the no kill list ? Would it makes things different?


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Old 11-02-2018, 10:18 AM   #145
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I am not so sure why people reading this are not getting that there are 2 lists

a "no shoot list"
AND
a "shoot list"

he was ON the "no shoot list" and they had talked about the deer being put on the "shoot list" but had decided against it
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Old 11-02-2018, 10:19 AM   #146
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Letís look at this at another angle say I as the lease manager shot the buck after it was on the no kill list ? Would it makes things different?


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Depends if you told yourself it was ON the list...... but what list? The NO kill list, the maybe kill list, the 5.5 yo list, the 5.5 yo deer but NO kill list, the kill list......
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Old 11-02-2018, 10:20 AM   #147
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So he didnít break a rule here.
It sure sounds like someone is just envious that he has had some good fortune.

If the rule is 5.5 and older it sounds like he didnít break that rule either on the buck in question.

Hunter shot one good buck that didnít meet the Trophy rule. He is still allowed a trophy. He starts having another buck come to his feeder that is really nice and probably 5.5 and older, but no one can really know for sure since they donít have history of him since he was born. Some of the lease members or boss decide that they need to change their rule of 5.5 and older for just this deer. Since this nice buck is coming to the feeder of the guy that already got a buck...that didnít break any rules. This sound about right???

I would probably just stick to the rule of 5.5 and older. If you donít like that change it to 6.5... Next Season.
You canít just pick which bucks will do better at 6.5 as you go. Well you can and you have this mess.

This is what I'm seeing. If the contract says 5.5 or older and the buck meets that age then the hunter did not do anything wrong. Its kinda like saying you can kill any 5.5 but just not THAT 5.5 year old. Unless the OP specified in the contract that a trophy was 5.5 but was open to exemptions that were agreed on by the lease members, I don't see how the guy did anything wrong. By the OP even mentioning the management buck the guy killed that was within the guidelines of the lease I think it just kinda shows a little bit of butt hurtness and the OP trying to find a way to punish the guy.
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Old 11-02-2018, 10:23 AM   #148
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I am not so sure why people reading this are not getting that there are 2 lists

a "no shoot list"
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he was ON the "no shoot list" and they had talked about the deer being put on the "shoot list" but had decided against it
Exactly! The member shot the buck on a no kill list final answer here ..
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Old 11-02-2018, 10:23 AM   #149
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My head is spinning like crazy!!!

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Old 11-02-2018, 10:25 AM   #150
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And for the record if I was gonna shoot a buck on the no kill list it would not have been that one
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