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Old 11-02-2018, 06:28 AM   #51
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If this thread is any indication there may be a communication problem


My thoughts exactly.

He WAS on the no shoot list....

He was NOT on the No shoot list....

We shoot 5.5 year olds and he was 5.5 yr old...

He was on the no shoot list...

He was NOT on the No shoot list....


Sounds like you need to get your communication down with all lease members before season and stick to them. No wavering back and forth. I run a couple leases and to me this sounds like the mistake is on you not the other member. Now this member may not fit in with yalls group and plan for the future but thatís to be determined next year.


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Old 11-02-2018, 06:30 AM   #52
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Sounds like a terrible place to hunt.
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Old 11-02-2018, 06:31 AM   #53
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1. Is the person a friend or just some guy on the lease?

2. Are you hunting a very small acreage with a very low deer density per acre?

3. Has everyone stayed within the expectations as far as killing deer that are old enough, and score properly?


IMO, if this guy is anyone's friend, and you see more than one buck per outing, and everyone else has never made a mistake in terms of shooting a questionable deer, stop worrying about it. It is just one deer, and there are millions more just like it available for everyone to get a crack at.

If it was not recovered there is no way of knowing if he in fact killed the deer, or how old it really was. All deer on the hoof have potential to get better next year, or not.

Sure seems like a lot of petty jealousy and anger over something that in the bigger scheme of things really won't matter. But that's just me.
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Old 11-02-2018, 06:33 AM   #54
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Not to mention the member has shot a buck already this season that was a good buck but was not considered a trophy because we consider a trophy 130 are bigger this buck was 124 and was the biggest buck the member has ever harvested!!


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So he didn’t break a rule here.
It sure sounds like someone is just envious that he has had some good fortune.

If the rule is 5.5 and older it sounds like he didn’t break that rule either on the buck in question.

Hunter shot one good buck that didn’t meet the Trophy rule. He is still allowed a trophy. He starts having another buck come to his feeder that is really nice and probably 5.5 and older, but no one can really know for sure since they don’t have history of him since he was born. Some of the lease members or boss decide that they need to change their rule of 5.5 and older for just this deer. Since this nice buck is coming to the feeder of the guy that already got a buck...that didn’t break any rules. This sound about right???

I would probably just stick to the rule of 5.5 and older. If you don’t like that change it to 6.5... Next Season.
You can’t just pick which bucks will do better at 6.5 as you go. Well you can and you have this mess.

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Old 11-02-2018, 06:37 AM   #55
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Is there a shoot list AND a no shoot list? Is that where the confusion of him being on/not being on the list comes from?
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Old 11-02-2018, 06:41 AM   #56
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Well another problem is he never recovered the buck but another lease member caught wind of him shooting the buck ! And was asking since when do we shoot bucks that are not on the No Kill list ! Of course we didnít have a clue what was going on !!


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If the guys have rules as clear as your posts, I see why he shot it. Iam confused just reading them. It was on the list, but not on the list. Since when do we shoot bucks that are Not on the no kill list. If there not on the no kill list, does that not mean there shoot able , especially if it 5.5 years. I think you need to make the rules clearer, I really do.
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Old 11-02-2018, 06:53 AM   #57
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This is why hunting is not any fun anymore .
Places I have hunted in the past had a set of rules
It was called the Texas game guide
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Old 11-02-2018, 06:58 AM   #58
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This is why hunting is not any fun anymore .
Places I have hunted in the past had a set of rules
It was called the Texas game guide
Nah... that's why hunting SOME places isn't fun anymore. It's all about the lease manager. Ours is a reasonable guy and pretty easy to get along with if you are reasonable as well.

Anybody who can put up with me can't be too bad, right? (Hi Jim!)
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Old 11-02-2018, 07:00 AM   #59
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This is what happens when you have rules galore to try to grow horns. Takes a bunch of fun out of it and leads to bad communication. If you think he broke a rule and deserves being canned, do it and deal with the outcome. If everyone knew the deer was on the naughty list then the guy messed up.

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Old 11-02-2018, 07:00 AM   #60
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Iím confused how a member could possibly be confused, your posts are so clear, direct and to the point.

So if Iím on the lease before I can shoot a deer it has to be approved and agreed upon that the deer can be shot?
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Old 11-02-2018, 07:00 AM   #61
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Old 11-02-2018, 07:06 AM   #62
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I mean I understand he is 5.5 are older but we had him on the no kill list . I donít want to be that lease manager that changed the rules for one guy what do I do we did talk about this buck maybe going on the list because we thought he was 5.5 but never made that clear with all the members the member made a decision on his own and said he is definitely 5.5 and shot the buck without telling the rest of us .. and other members are mad including myself because they thought he was on the no kill list !!


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Seems to me you already answered your question. If you "never made it clear" to all the members and the buck is 5.5 then he did exactly what your current rules allow.
Next year make an actual list and give to all members.
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Old 11-02-2018, 07:08 AM   #63
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What if he would have been 5 and not 5.5? The lease member followed the rules. He/she should not suffer any repurcussions whatsoever. Sounds like the one with the problem is the lease boss. We’re talking about a deer. It’s not a life or death issue. Guy shot a deer he is happy with. Move on. This is silly

Sounds like such a fun place.
He would have been poaching since he would have been 5 back in the Spring.
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Old 11-02-2018, 07:10 AM   #64
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I mean I understand he is 5.5 are older but we had him on the no kill list . I donít want to be that lease manager that changed the rules for one guy what do I do we did talk about this buck MAYBE going on the list because we thought he was 5.5 but never made that clear with all the members the member made a decision on his own and said he is definitely 5.5 and shot the buck without telling the rest of us .. and other members are mad including myself because they thought he was on the no kill list !!

No ground to stand on unless you just donít like the guy and want him gone. Your lease your choice but not the end of the world that the deer is dead.
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Old 11-02-2018, 07:11 AM   #65
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He never was on the kill list


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If yíallís no-kill list is as confusing as your first few posts on this thread, Iíd say you probably shouldnít do anything to him.
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Old 11-02-2018, 07:11 AM   #66
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Clear as mud!

Wouldn’t every 5.5 year old have the potential to really blow up at 6.5?

Y’all need a new lease manager. Changing rules over one deer will pizz any lease member off regardless of the reason as it appears it’s being done to favor a particular member.

Title of this thread should be, “What to Do With Lease Manager Who Changes the Rules!”

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Old 11-02-2018, 07:11 AM   #67
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I have a shoot no shoot list....I just wished my neighbors would get with the program!

I have been involved with a similar situation and after it was said and done, I did not blame the guy... I should have killed that buck first!

The fact that he put an arrow in him and did not tell anyone is the real issue to me!
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Old 11-02-2018, 07:14 AM   #68
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I bet he ate well who cares about the horns
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Old 11-02-2018, 07:15 AM   #69
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Yeah, I can see the problem.....


No problems here, just move along son. Clear as mud!!!!


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Old 11-02-2018, 07:17 AM   #70
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Too many trickle down evidence bein released at OP's leisure...
Deer wasnt officially on a no hit list...just a implied list in discussion...was 5.5 which makes it officially a shooter according to rules...hunter then didnt tell anyone...i stopped reading after that

Kick OP off lease for failure to properly tell a story.
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Old 11-02-2018, 07:21 AM   #71
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He was on always on the kill list because he was 5.5 by your LEASE RULES. if this went to court you would LOSE.

If the age limit is 5.5 and he is a 5.5 year old he is with in the rules you set forth or its 5.5 unless we decide differently. Good luck with your decision
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Old 11-02-2018, 07:23 AM   #72
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Your “punishment” you are looking for should have already been clearly communicated in the lease agreement prior to the season starting. You shouldn’t enforce one now if it never was written before. Maybe change the rules for next year?

It’s hard enough understanding your position in a few posts, I could understand how someone could be easily confused if this is the type of communication they’ve received from you.

Chalk it up as a learning lesson and move on.
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Old 11-02-2018, 07:32 AM   #73
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The way I look at it, the rules state 5.5 are legal but because you "think" the deer will blow up a year later this was placed on the "no kill" list. In my opinion you need to have all the members vote on it and have the vote recorded. If not, he was following the rules. It sounds like that you are more upset that this lease member has taken 2 decent bucks off the property.

I had a similar situation on the lease I am managing. My rule is 8 point or better and no spikes unless we can tell it is it's second set of antlers. A lease member violated those rules, shot a spike, and lost it. I was ******. I let him finish out the year but he was not allowed back on the lease the next season. Thankfully, he didn't shoot anything else.


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Old 11-02-2018, 07:36 AM   #74
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Yeah, I can see the problem.....
nailed it

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Picture's or it didn't happen.
pics of a deer I dont think we're sure is even dead.......

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Well another problem is he never recovered the buck but another lease member caught wind of him shooting the buck ! And was asking since when do we shoot bucks that are not on the No Kill list ! Of course we didn’t have a clue what was going on !!


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Old 11-02-2018, 07:41 AM   #75
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I'm going to hold off on giving an answer until I hear what the other side of my mouth has to say.
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Old 11-02-2018, 07:44 AM   #76
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First thing Iíd do is get a new lease manager.


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Old 11-02-2018, 07:44 AM   #77
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I read the first 8-10 posts you made on here. If anything the guy should be ****** at YOU. You’re all over the place. He’s on a no kill list but he’s 5.5. We put him on a list but I mean rules say 5.5 at least. Blah blah. Make up your mind as a group and stick to it. If you discuss taking him off the list with anyone, it needs to be clear. And the 124” deer the guy shot seems to be in the rules too. Sounds like some of you are mad because he is successful. I think you have a YOU problem. Instead of hammering the guy you should be telling him congrats. And be more clear on your rules.
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Old 11-02-2018, 07:49 AM   #78
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Too many trickle down evidence bein released at OP's leisure...
Deer wasnt officially on a no hit list...just a implied list in discussion...was 5.5 which makes it officially a shooter according to rules...hunter then didnt tell anyone...i stopped reading after that

Kick OP off lease for failure to properly tell a story.
and bad grammar skills. Lol
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Old 11-02-2018, 07:50 AM   #79
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We have a situation a Buck was shot that was on a no hit list but appears to be 5.5 which we said on the Rules bucks 5.5 and older are allowed!! But we had this buck on the no hit list because we thought he could get better next year at 6.5 !!


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Remember, its just a deer. What do you value more, his membership or a deer. I understand about the rules and all that and what you are trying to accomplish. Hunting is supposed to fun and enjoyable, sometimes we can legislate fun right out of it. If the buck was a 5 year old, then he is good. A 5 year old and an off limits buck is a big hurdle for some folks.
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Old 11-02-2018, 07:53 AM   #80
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You are conflicting yourself in this post. The deer was or was not on the ďno killĒ list. You say it was not officially on the list but then it was put on the list. You cannot have it both ways.


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You solved this quandary all by yourself. Cancelling someones membership over a deer is stupid. If you kick him off the lease, are you gonna refund the remainder of his lease fee? That would be fair.
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Old 11-02-2018, 07:54 AM   #81
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a lease should be a fun place to hunt and unwind good friend and fellowship
with all the rules and a list of shooters and non shooter just kills it for me
what ever happen to just hunting with good friends what happens if a buck shows
up that has not been seen before might be a buck of a life time but not on kill list
dang hard to let him walk
This is where Iím at. Glad I donít have to deal with these types of issues. But, I do see the need for rules and if the rules were communicated clearly and still broken then he may need to be reprimanded. If not clear move on and be more clear in the future
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Old 11-02-2018, 07:59 AM   #82
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a lease should be a fun place to hunt and unwind good friend and fellowship
with all the rules and a list of shooters and non shooter just kills it for me
what ever happen to just hunting with good friends what happens if a buck shows
up that has not been seen before might be a buck of a life time but not on kill list
dang hard to let him walk
Thank you.
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Old 11-02-2018, 08:08 AM   #83
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I think I might give my lease manager a big sloppy wet kiss. He is nothing like this. Having been on a lease like you are describing, is NOOO fun.

Second thought, cut him loose, he would be better off on another lease.
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Old 11-02-2018, 08:10 AM   #84
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The only rule on our place is that if it makes you happy shoot it. If you have second thoughts, let it walk. That being said several others have shot deer that I would not not have, but they have always been happy. That is why I hunt, and as others have stated this seems to be missing in many deer camps in the name of ďmanagementĒ.
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Old 11-02-2018, 08:11 AM   #85
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This is what makes hunting out west all I will do. Put in for tags and if you get drawn go harvest what makes you happy. Whitetail hunting in Texas has made grown men act like kids over a critter. I say donít let this guy in the sandbox to play anymore
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Old 11-02-2018, 08:12 AM   #86
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Iím on a lease that doesnít have many rules and after reading the OPís back and forth, Iím glad we donít.
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Old 11-02-2018, 08:12 AM   #87
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Unless you are shooting 180Ē plus deer just let it slide. Establish better rules next year.


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Old 11-02-2018, 08:14 AM   #88
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Sounds confusing to us, and most likely the member. Sounds like yall need to tighten up the rules and be more clear. Also sounds like his other buck was within the rules as well. He hasn't messed up in my opinion.

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Old 11-02-2018, 08:16 AM   #89
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Brand them with Birthdate!!!!!!!!
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Old 11-02-2018, 08:17 AM   #90
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Reading this thread is making me dizzy....
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Old 11-02-2018, 08:25 AM   #91
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Why not just quit focusing on rules and allow people to have fun?
If your going to have a rule for 5.5 you should not be allowed to ad 5.5 deer to a no hit list.
Some folks really know how to **** up a good thing.
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Old 11-02-2018, 08:33 AM   #92
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Old 11-02-2018, 08:39 AM   #93
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And you didn’t find the deer?......smdh
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Old 11-02-2018, 08:46 AM   #94
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Not enough coffee yet for this mess.
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Old 11-02-2018, 08:47 AM   #95
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Who’s on first?

What a morass. Just think what that deer could have done at seven years old with a certain brand of protein and daily beer and massage?
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Old 11-02-2018, 08:50 AM   #96
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I can clearly see why there may be some confusion with the rules....



Holy ****! No doubt AB. I can certainly understand why the deer was shot, mistake or not. Hell I can't even make out what was right or wrong to give an opinion.


Needs more exclamation marks too!!!!!


Me after reading this thread...


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Old 11-02-2018, 08:54 AM   #97
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This all sounds like Jealousy to be honest. He was following the rules and your upset that hes gotten 2 deer by following those set rules. Unless there was an agreement by Everyone person on the lease that that deer is not to be shot you have no standing.

And what is meant by the deer was not recovered? Does that mean it may still be alive as well and this is a mute point?
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Old 11-02-2018, 08:55 AM   #98
BrandonA
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If I were said lease member who shot the 5.5 yr old buck I would tell yíall to **** off and leave. To much **** drama

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Old 11-02-2018, 08:56 AM   #99
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This right here is why I like duck hunting more and more. Deer hunters are getting more like Bass fisherman every year.
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Old 11-02-2018, 08:56 AM   #100
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I would say he is done hunting for the year and since his integrity is sketchy I would not allow him back next year. If you dont want to make that call yourself take a vote as members. There seems to be several things that are not ethical or are not on the up and up. If it was JUST he shot the 5.5 yr old situation I would say he was trying to follow the rules but after already taking a mature deer and not attempting to recover one, as well as not informing you that he took it, it sounds like he knew he wasnt suppose to shoot that one and didnt recover it on purpose. After hearing all the other points you brought up there seems to be enough things that you might just not invite him back next year. Just my two cents that are not worth anything.😂😜
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