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Old 06-26-2018, 02:10 PM   #51
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Yep and the folks at the Alamo could have ran and saved their lives as well.
Boy there are a lot of computer ******es around here. We’re not talking about Texas’ independence here. We’re talking about protecting the women and children at a Denny’s. Picking a fight with an idiot sometimes makes you an idiot too.

So you’re telling me that you’d willingly pick the option where you go to jail and a guy dies intead of the option of protecting the women and children and the bad guy going to jail option? Sound thinking...
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Old 06-26-2018, 02:24 PM   #52
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I’m thinking things changed when Terry decided to confront a drunk guy when he didn’t need to.

Hindsight is always 20/20 but this is something worth thinking about ahead of time. The ultimate goal is to protect the family day in and day out, not just one night at 2am at a Denny’s. With that in mind he had two options. He could have waited inside with the women and children until the cops got there or the drunk guy left. In that case the drunk guy goes to jail and everyone goes home 30 minutes later than they wanted.

Option 2 is to go confront him when you don’t have too and put yourself at risk. If Terry had taken the former route he’d still be a hero to the kids he protected and he’d still be around to continue protecting his family. Instead he took the latter choice and is at best financially ruined, at worst in jail and financially ruined. Plus he has a man’s death weighing on his mind for the rest of his life.
He didn't need to confront him for peeing in front of his wife and kids??? Do you have no backbone? Don't say oh here's tough guy on the keyboard blah blah blah.... I'm sorry I don't care if you're so drunk you cant walk or completely sober if my wife or little girl sees your **** because you have no class and respect we will have problems. And it goes the other way too, if I'm so drunk I pull mine out, which would never happen because I was raised better, Please choke me out.
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Old 06-26-2018, 02:28 PM   #53
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A drunk violent man driving around with a 3 year old in the car threatens a man with a .40 call gun then dies when someone has the balls to confront him about peeing in front of his family?
Put me on the jury and after I give my not guilty vote, I will shake Terry's hand for ridding the world of another nasty POS human.
But wait. He was a kind, loving kid with a bright future. Didn't you see the family interviews???

Sad situation, but "not guilty" is my verdict.
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George Soros backed Kim Ogg


Yep, LWL's now own the Harris County District Attonerys Office. They fired all the conservative prosecutors and replaced them with LWL's. If the defendant hadn't been a conservative white guy the DA would not have filed charges.
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Old 06-26-2018, 02:56 PM   #55
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Picking a fight with an idiot sometimes makes you an idiot too.
Saying anything to a drunk automatically insinuates you are picking a fight?

"Hey come on dude their are kids around here" = "I'm going to kick the ever living ***** out of you".
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Old 06-26-2018, 02:59 PM   #56
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Yep, LWL's now own the Harris County District Attonerys Office. They fired all the conservative prosecutors and replaced them with LWL's. If the defendant hadn't been a conservative white guy the DA would not have filed charges.
Lots of truth to this
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Old 06-27-2018, 09:05 AM   #57
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Well, thats not exactly how it works.....some folks drink and drive. Most have lived, some have died. When they die, they basically brought death upon themselves. Maybe didnt " deserve" it, but thats one of the possible consequences. When you expose yourself to children, it is possible someone will stop you. If you resist and fight you may be killed. You could possibly die any time you fight, drunk or not.
These are teo very different scenarios. Are you saying that peeing in a parking lot is as dangerous to you and others as driving drunk?
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He didn't need to confront him for peeing in front of his wife and kids??? Do you have no backbone? Don't say oh here's tough guy on the keyboard blah blah blah.... I'm sorry I don't care if you're so drunk you cant walk or completely sober if my wife or little girl sees your **** because you have no class and respect we will have problems. And it goes the other way too, if I'm so drunk I pull mine out, which would never happen because I was raised better, Please choke me out.
Sure something should be done. The cops were on the way and he would have been arrested immediately. No matter how you slice it, we already know how this ended, with a dead drunk guy and Terry on trial when the alternative would have been the drunk guy going to jail and Terry going home. You can’t just blame that all on Kim Ogg (no I didn’t vote for her).

Didn’t this happen at like 2am, or am I mistaken? I’m still trying to figure out why there are kids at a Denny’s at that time of night.
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Old 06-27-2018, 09:22 AM   #59
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Saying anything to a drunk automatically insinuates you are picking a fight?

"Hey come on dude their are kids around here" = "I'm going to kick the ever living ***** out of you".
There is a clear distinction between the two. Once again all I have to go on is the news. A CBS article says that Terry blocked the drunk’s way to confront him and then put him in a chokehold. Sounds like there are A LOT of details left out there but its pretty obvious thats going to get a bigger reaction than saying “hey there are kids around here.”
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Old 06-27-2018, 09:31 AM   #60
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How long before the confrontation had the other guy called 911?


Either way, eff that dead POS, and eff the crooked DA.
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Old 06-27-2018, 09:34 AM   #61
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How long before the confrontation had the other guy called 911?


Either way, eff that dead POS, and eff the crooked DA.
Agreed eff the crooked DA (DUMB AZZ)
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Old 06-27-2018, 10:11 AM   #62
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These are teo very different scenarios. Are you saying that peeing in a parking lot is as dangerous to you and others as driving drunk?
Hmmm...ok, now I see why you feel the way you do.....
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A CBS article says that Terry blocked the drunk’s way to confront him and then put him in a chokehold.
well ok...that is exactly how it happened then. No more to be said. Lock him up!
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What some people appear to be failing to realize the media is only telling you what sells. And no it didn't happen at 2am, the fact the video is in broad daylight should tell you that's not the case.
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Old 06-27-2018, 12:42 PM   #65
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What some people appear to be failing to realize the media is only telling you what sells. And no it didn't happen at 2am, the fact the video is in broad daylight should tell you that's not the case.
In their defense, as buffet said, its 2am somewhere...
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Old 06-27-2018, 12:44 PM   #66
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What some people appear to be failing to realize the media is only telling you what sells. And no it didn't happen at 2am, the fact the video is in broad daylight should tell you that's not the case.

It occurred at 11:40 pm. Was not during day.
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Old 11-05-2018, 04:14 PM   #67
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Round #2.

Guilty.
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Old 11-05-2018, 04:36 PM   #68
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To be honest walking away is the best answer I have. Drunks are drunks and I have been around a bunch. Calling out people is asking for trouble and he found it.


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Bad all around but why didn't he call law enforcement instead. He fought with a guy 2 to 3 times drunk the legal amount. Sounds like he was wasted. Didnt sound like it was much of a fight. DRUNK GUY WAS WRONG. But fighting with a drunk guy and killing him c'mon man. Give me a break. Sounds like bully messing with someone that realistically couldn't defend themselves.
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Old 11-05-2018, 05:54 PM   #69
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Except it wasnt.....

" Courtney, Thompson's attorney, said the jury voted 11-1 not guilty on murder, 10-2 not guilty on manslaughter and 8-4 not guilty on criminally negligent homicide. He said all 12 jurors agreed that self-defense law applied but two jurors could not acquit Thompson"
Ok, so they voted not guilty on all counts. How is that a hung jury?
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Ok, so they voted not guilty on all counts. How is that a hung jury?
Cause it wasn't 100%.

Dont matter now. Second trial found guilty

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Old 11-05-2018, 05:58 PM   #71
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Yep, LWL's now own the Harris County District Attonerys Office. They fired all the conservative prosecutors and replaced them with LWL's. If the defendant hadn't been a conservative white guy the DA would not have filed charges.
Hey Thumper, for those of us that don't know what a LWL is. Well what is a LWL?
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Old 11-05-2018, 06:11 PM   #72
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I am guessing left wing liberals or ladies who lunch?
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Old 11-05-2018, 06:21 PM   #73
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Supposedly he held him in the chokehold for five minutes? The last 3:38 or so after he quit struggling? The prosecutors showed the full video without talking during their closing argument. I think that’s what made the difference this time. I don’t know if murder was the correct charge here, and I get all the people who say he got what was coming to him after exposing himself (while peeing, not as a perv) to women and children, and then hitting someone. But self defense stopped as soon as the guy went unconscious. If Thompson then choked the life out of him for 3 1/2 more minutes, I have a hard time saying that was justified.

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Old 11-05-2018, 06:29 PM   #74
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I can definitely see manslaughter but not murder. I can also see this one getting overturned in appeals.
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Old 11-05-2018, 07:56 PM   #75
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Not suprised by the verdict.
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Old 11-05-2018, 08:51 PM   #76
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Cause it wasn't 100%.

Dont matter now. Second trial found guilty

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So they got the verdict they wanted?
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So they got the verdict they wanted?
If "they" means ogg. Yes.

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I can definitely see manslaughter but not murder. I can also see this one getting overturned in appeals.
I doubt it.

Verdicts on appeal are usually overturned on procedural and constitutional matters. Evidence was entered that shouldn’t have been, a confession violated his rights, etc. Decisions on who to believe and such is up to the trial court.

In this case the trial court/jury made their decision on the evidence from the witness stand. Not liking a verdict is not grounds for overruling. IMO
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I doubt it.

Verdicts on appeal are usually overturned on procedural and constitutional matters. Evidence was entered that shouldn’t have been, a confession violated his rights, etc. Decisions on who to believe and such is up to the trial court.

In this case the trial court/jury made their decision on the evidence from the witness stand. Not liking a verdict is not grounds for overruling. IMO
Word is that it would be over evidence that was not allowed. But you would know, since you have a law degree and are an expert.
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Word is that it would be over evidence that was not allowed. But you would know, since you have a law degree and are an expert.
Hopefully you are joking.

If they have evidence that should not be admitted then it will likely be overturned.

Do you know what evidence was objected to but allowed by the judge?
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Old 11-06-2018, 12:27 AM   #81
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The insanity of Harris county.
Yep, elections have consequences, Harris county elected who the LWL'S and their news media told them to elect. If Thompson wasn't white, HE WOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN CHARGED!
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Yep, elections have consequences, Harris county elected who the LWL'S and their news media told them to elect. If Thompson wasn't white, HE WOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN CHARGED!
Huh????? You are correct... If he wasnt white he would already be charged with murder. Give me a break.....always bringing race into it. He killed a man.... he should have never been involved. Eye for an eye
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If Thompson wasn't white, HE WOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN CHARGED!
I dont think he was charged at first. Then the cell phone video leaked and things changed.

Sure looks like Terry ate a straight right that night at Dennys. Not sure when that got added to the menu, but that sure ups the ante in my opinion.
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The jury could still basically find him guilty of Manslaughter.

TX law changed a few years ago. It used to be in order Murder, Manslaughter, Involuntary Manslaughter and Criminal Negligent Homicide. Murder was 1st degree felony, Manslaughter a 2nd degree and Inv. Manslaughter a 3rd degree.

The old sudden passion of Manslaughter was incorporated into Murder. What used to be called Involuntary Manslaughter was retitled as Manslaughter. That was to recklessly kill someone.

So they combined Murder and Manslaughter and then renamed Inv. Manslaughter

The way it is written now the sudden passion of the old Manslaughter is brought up in the penalty phase. So a jury in punishment deliberations can reduce the punishment to the 2nd degree felony (instead of 1st degree Murder) which carries as little as 2 years and a maximum of 20 instead of 99.
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There was no need to kill the man.. I'm all about stopping a threat but when he passed out it and stopped resisting it was time to stop choking him.. If I was on the jury and saw that video I would have found him guilty of killing that man too and I'm as far from a LWL as one can get.. Wrong is wrong.
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Old 11-06-2018, 10:50 AM   #86
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What is a LWL?

Is there some other video beside the defendant laying on top of the deceased?

Was the deceased quietly peeing outside in a dark corner? Why is the altercation INSIDE the Dennys? Did the defendant follow the deceased back into the Denny's after he urinated?

Who honestly cares that much about their wife seeing some drunk dude's junk?
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Old 11-06-2018, 10:59 AM   #87
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Sadly, these days is much safer to turn a blind eye and not get involved. Get involved because of your moral compass and you go to jail or get sued. God, I feel sorry for my kids growing up in this insanity.

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Old 11-06-2018, 11:00 AM   #88
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Yep. A perfect example of not worth it.
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Why was there a second trial?
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I can definitely see manslaughter but not murder. I can also see this one getting overturned in appeals.
Very doubtful there is any room to over turn this on an appeal. I would expect the judge to give a light sentence based on the situation.

This really illustrated the difference between 2 juries. I expected this to end in another hung jury.

The biggest problem Terry Thompson faced was that the lady is telling him that he is killing the guy and he just keeps holding the choke until he killed the guy. Not to mention the other guy that is trying to obstruct the video saying the lady recording is going to be arrested.
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There was no need to kill the man.. I'm all about stopping a threat but when he passed out it and stopped resisting it was time to stop choking him.. If I was on the jury and saw that video I would have found him guilty of killing that man too and I'm as far from a LWL as one can get.. Wrong is wrong.
Yep
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Not exactly.

The jury had one or two that couldn't get with the program of the rest. I mean at least one juror thinkss he's guilty of murder???!!!


After being on a few juries, I don't know how they ever get 12 people to agree on anything.

I was on one where even though there was no doubt the fellow was guilty, a Baptist preacher wanted to turn him loose any way as he felt the guy had been reborn.
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Can someone tell me what the HECK LWL IS?????
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Old 11-06-2018, 01:51 PM   #94
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Can someone tell me what the HECK LWL IS?????
Thats a plan identifier under a henway.
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Old 11-06-2018, 02:00 PM   #95
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Can someone tell me what the HECK LWL IS?????
I "think" its short hand for "left wing liberal" which I am not...
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I "think" its short hand for "left wing liberal" which I am not...
Thank you. I was googling it and coming up with 'life wide learning' and 'little white lies'.
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25 years.
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25 years.
Ouch! Stupid move, now 2 families torn apart.
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Terry should of called the cops which is what should of been done. He took the law into his own hands. Correct me if I'm wrong isn't his wife a police/sheriff deputy or something?
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After being on a few juries, I don't know how they ever get 12 people to agree on anything.

Pay a couple bucks per day, poor food and you can go home when you all agree.



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