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Old 11-05-2018, 08:01 AM   #351
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This thread delivers, lmbo
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Old 11-05-2018, 08:14 AM   #352
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No I saw that too. If the group consensus was to let the deer walk by putting him on the no shoot list, then the lease member over stepped.

My guess is that something obviously was about as clear as mud or the guy who shot the deer just didn’t care.
Has anyone asked the question... What does the lease contract say?

Seriously, can the "group" get together and just say a certain buck is off limits if that's not in the contract?
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Old 11-05-2018, 08:40 AM   #353
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Has anyone asked the question... What does the lease contract say?

Seriously, can the "group" get together and just say a certain buck is off limits if that's not in the contract?
My guess is that IF they had a contract, there is zero about this situation, which can only be described as a cluster fork. Has anyone talked to the "offender" about any of this or possible punishments? I am not reading this dam thread again to find out. I'd rather be kicked in the taint and thrown into a mudhole. A signed copy with members signatures of a kill list WITH pics solves this.
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Old 11-05-2018, 08:42 AM   #354
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this is still a thing?????
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Old 11-05-2018, 08:51 AM   #355
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Was this a high fence ranch ? What happens if a buck that is never seen or photographed before is seen while hunting and appears to be a stud 6.5 year old high scoring Boone and Crockett. You can’t shoot him because he wasn’t on the hit list .
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Old 11-05-2018, 09:09 AM   #356
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I’m on a lease that doesn’t have many rules and after reading the OP’s back and forth, I’m glad we don’t.
Same here! Can't imagine what it's like to deal with something like this. On our lease (all family for the most part) we are all like minded and don't shoot just anything. But we also like to have fun and enjoy our hunts not walking on egg shells. Glad we are able to have the set up we have...
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Old 11-05-2018, 10:50 AM   #357
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I ran into an old buddy and he had shot one of the best looking 8 points ive seen out of san saba county. 17-18" dark horned 4.5 maybe 5.5 yr old deer. He said he was excited to shoot it and the "lease manager" got ****** when he got back to camp and through a girl type fit that the deer was too young and they are not supposed to shoot deer less then 5.5 and he watched that buck for and hour and let it go, guy said ruined the whole weekend and now he will be searching for a new lease. This is why I will never jump on a lease with other people.
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Old 11-05-2018, 11:03 AM   #358
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In the grand scheme of things to be upset about in life, this seems pretty pointless.


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Old 11-05-2018, 12:18 PM   #359
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I want to know what school and management degree these people have in order to make all these decisions. Glad we don't have these problems. We hunt, enjoy it and that is that...

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Old 11-05-2018, 12:35 PM   #360
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In my opinion, if a deer is on the no shoot list. That deer is not to be shot. No matter the age.
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Old 11-05-2018, 12:42 PM   #361
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Im glad Im not on this lease.
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Old 11-05-2018, 01:03 PM   #362
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Sounds like a terrible lease with a lot of confusing rules that contradict each other. It also sounds like the OP is a little jealous or maybe its just all the exclamation marks on every single post(!!!!). If you are allowed to shoot a trophy and a smaller one why do you keep bringing it up that he already shot one last week? Sounds like jealousy and you truly dont even want lease members killing deer. This lease sounds horrible and im glad I am not on it.
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Old 11-05-2018, 01:37 PM   #363
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My guess is that IF they had a contract, there is zero about this situation, which can only be described as a cluster fork. Has anyone talked to the "offender" about any of this or possible punishments? I am not reading this dam thread again to find out. I'd rather be kicked in the taint and thrown into a mudhole. A signed copy with members signatures of a kill list WITH pics solves this.
I actually read the lease and the only punctuation was "!!" and rarely in the right places.
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Old 11-05-2018, 02:26 PM   #364
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This thread delivers, lmbo
Yep! Cracks me up. The OP hasn't posted anything in 3 pages of replies and it keeps on giving!
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Old 11-05-2018, 02:34 PM   #365
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Maybe kidnap someone close to him and hold them for ransom.
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Old 11-05-2018, 02:38 PM   #366
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OP...Did you personally ask the "no hit list" 2-deer killing bass-tard if he actually shot at the deer? What does he say?
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Old 11-05-2018, 03:18 PM   #367
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I was going to post but it would be useless after eight pages.
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Old 11-05-2018, 09:32 PM   #368
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^^^^ this, these are our thoughts exactl. We have a responsibility as adults to make good decisions in life and should not haft to have a hit list and a not hit list. and take pics to a group to have permission to kill them, (come on really), have a good group of people, I would not have any other way. Some of these leases today are like buying a house with a home owners association, that twist the rules after you move in, That they want to live with just my opinion.
"Hunting" lol just ****ing lol
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Old 11-05-2018, 09:38 PM   #369
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I hate lease rules. I own my hunting country, but darn give the Grandad kids a break. It was a lot more fun when I was a kid.. Buck with horns and he got shot at. JMO.
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Old 11-05-2018, 09:42 PM   #370
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Sounds more like a jealousy thing to me. Seen it happen before deer was put on the hit list but the wrong member got a shot at it first and then all of a sudden it was put on the no hit
List once shot. Member was kicked off for no reason other than he killed a deer other memebers wanted to shoot. Be happy for the guy it was 5.5
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Old 11-05-2018, 09:51 PM   #371
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...off to the pit of misery?
Dilly dilly!
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Old 11-06-2018, 02:28 AM   #372
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I was going to post but it would be useless after eight pages.
This whole thread started off useless

Seriously, either have a age limit or a hit list/no kill list. Folks make hunting a pain in the butt instead of a relaxing hobby. We had a few nice bucks killed this weekend and a few that I wouldn't have shot. I congratulated every one that I saw skinning a buck just like it was the best deer they could have a chance at. One of the bucks I saw earlier in the year and passed on due to being 3.5 at the most was killed by a new hunter. I didn't say a negative word to him, and this is the first time I've said it at all other than telling my wife that the young 8 had been shot that I had watched earlier.

Make set rules, that are clearly communicated. And if anyone, lease manager on down to the newest member, should violate the rules, then you pay the fine or leave the lease.
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Old 11-08-2018, 04:35 PM   #373
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For the record, we have no lease agreement. We are a group of hunters that mutually agree on harvesting mature deer!!! We set the age to 5.5yr old deer. The deer that is being discussed was without a doubt 5.5yrs old. He was the ONLY 5.5 year old deer on the no kill list the OP speaks of. But what he failed to mention is the multiple discussions we had about moving him to the KILL LIST!

I will admit that with us having a tenative kill/no kill list that its unfair to send an arrow at a deer EVERYONE has not talked about. Im the only person that has seen that deer this year. Age was not a question , the deer met all lease requirements other than the OP’s (maybe hell blow up at 6.5) He walked out infront of me 200+lbs and about 145” of antler. I had the opportunity and I took it. As for him nonchalantly calling me a liar, I didnt tell anyone about the deer simply because I spent 20+ hrs searching sick to my stomach about the reality I may not find him. Its something ill never stop thinking about, All I can do is pray he lives. I hope this clears up some of the “mud” I am a 100% team player but rules have to be across the board. There can not be a grey area or exceptions on deer just because they dont meet your standards. P.S this is something that should have been discussed with myself and the other 7 members on the lease prior to going to a social forum!
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Old 11-08-2018, 04:51 PM   #374
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Your problem started when your group created a hit-list or no-hit-list (doesn’t matter for this pint) and then had a discussion and general agreement regarding a new direction for that buck With Only Part Of The Group and Without Full Consensus or Awareness. Based on that you effectively provided permission or at least plausible denial of malicious intent to break the agreement.

Further thought... and remember you asked for input. Maybe managing for maturity is easier than managing specific deer... especially a group. Harvest the oldest bucks first regardless of quality and harvest for 1:1 buck to doe ratio to open up room for bucks. Keep it Simple.
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Old 11-08-2018, 04:52 PM   #375
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This should be fun. Did y'all duke it out yet?

Seriously, sucks to lose a deer. I have to agree with the last line of post 373.
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Old 11-08-2018, 05:02 PM   #376
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For the record, we have no lease agreement. We are a group of hunters that mutually agree on harvesting mature deer!!! We set the age to 5.5yr old deer. The deer that is being discussed was without a doubt 5.5yrs old. He was the ONLY 5.5 year old deer on the no kill list the OP speaks of. But what he failed to mention is the multiple discussions we had about moving him to the KILL LIST!

I will admit that with us having a tenative kill/no kill list that its unfair to send an arrow at a deer EVERYONE has not talked about. Im the only person that has seen that deer this year. Age was not a question , the deer met all lease requirements other than the OP’s (maybe hell blow up at 6.5) He walked out infront of me 200+lbs and about 145” of antler. I had the opportunity and I took it. As for him nonchalantly calling me a liar, I didnt tell anyone about the deer simply because I spent 20+ hrs searching sick to my stomach about the reality I may not find him. Its something ill never stop thinking about, All I can do is pray he lives. I hope this clears up some of the “mud” I am a 100% team player but rules have to be across the board. There can not be a grey area or exceptions on deer just because they dont meet your standards. P.S this is something that should have been discussed with myself and the other 7 members on the lease prior to going to a social forum!


Well there you have it TBH

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Old 11-08-2018, 05:38 PM   #377
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Wheres that awkward meme??

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Old 11-08-2018, 05:43 PM   #378
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For the record, we have no lease agreement. We are a group of hunters that mutually agree on harvesting mature deer!!! We set the age to 5.5yr old deer. The deer that is being discussed was without a doubt 5.5yrs old. He was the ONLY 5.5 year old deer on the no kill list the OP speaks of. But what he failed to mention is the multiple discussions we had about moving him to the KILL LIST!

I will admit that with us having a tenative kill/no kill list that its unfair to send an arrow at a deer EVERYONE has not talked about. Im the only person that has seen that deer this year. Age was not a question , the deer met all lease requirements other than the OP’s (maybe hell blow up at 6.5) He walked out infront of me 200+lbs and about 145” of antler. I had the opportunity and I took it. As for him nonchalantly calling me a liar, I didnt tell anyone about the deer simply because I spent 20+ hrs searching sick to my stomach about the reality I may not find him. Its something ill never stop thinking about, All I can do is pray he lives. I hope this clears up some of the “mud” I am a 100% team player but rules have to be across the board. There can not be a grey area or exceptions on deer just because they dont meet your standards. P.S this is something that should have been discussed with myself and the other 7 members on the lease prior to going to a social forum!
Holy Crap! This thread never ceases to give you more. Just when you thought it was going to curl up and die, the alleged perp walks in and give his side!!!

Welcome to the fire EMiller. Hopefully your target buck lives. They are some tough critters.
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Old 11-08-2018, 05:51 PM   #379
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If he stays on the lease we’ll have to get a picture of everyone around the camp fire and use it.


I was wondering why this thread popped back up. Probably be here for a couple days again.
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Old 11-08-2018, 05:54 PM   #380
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Old 11-08-2018, 05:55 PM   #381
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Old 11-08-2018, 05:58 PM   #382
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Man sounds like y’all need a new lease manager.
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Old 11-08-2018, 06:03 PM   #383
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For the record, we have no lease agreement. We are a group of hunters that mutually agree on harvesting mature deer!!! We set the age to 5.5yr old deer. The deer that is being discussed was without a doubt 5.5yrs old. He was the ONLY 5.5 year old deer on the no kill list the OP speaks of. But what he failed to mention is the multiple discussions we had about moving him to the KILL LIST!

I will admit that with us having a tenative kill/no kill list that its unfair to send an arrow at a deer EVERYONE has not talked about. Im the only person that has seen that deer this year. Age was not a question , the deer met all lease requirements other than the OP’s (maybe hell blow up at 6.5) He walked out infront of me 200+lbs and about 145” of antler. I had the opportunity and I took it. As for him nonchalantly calling me a liar, I didnt tell anyone about the deer simply because I spent 20+ hrs searching sick to my stomach about the reality I may not find him. Its something ill never stop thinking about, All I can do is pray he lives. I hope this clears up some of the “mud” I am a 100% team player but rules have to be across the board. There can not be a grey area or exceptions on deer just because they dont meet your standards. P.S this is something that should have been discussed with myself and the other 7 members on the lease prior to going to a social forum!



You must have been really tired walking around for 20 hours straight. Sucks you didn’t find him
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Old 11-08-2018, 06:15 PM   #384
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Hhmmmm.....

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Old 11-08-2018, 06:19 PM   #385
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Old 11-08-2018, 06:19 PM   #386
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Before I saw this post... I was thinking to myself as I scrolled through... how can we be sure the guy didn't come clean and wasn't going to bring up the fact he arrowed a buck... seems folks were taking one side's word as gospel. We don't know how it was communicated... if it was pryed out or not... at a minimum he acknowledged it at some point.

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For the record, we have no lease agreement. We are a group of hunters that mutually agree on harvesting mature deer!!! We set the age to 5.5yr old deer. The deer that is being discussed was without a doubt 5.5yrs old. He was the ONLY 5.5 year old deer on the no kill list the OP speaks of. But what he failed to mention is the multiple discussions we had about moving him to the KILL LIST!

I will admit that with us having a tenative kill/no kill list that its unfair to send an arrow at a deer EVERYONE has not talked about. Im the only person that has seen that deer this year. Age was not a question , the deer met all lease requirements other than the OP’s (maybe hell blow up at 6.5) He walked out infront of me 200+lbs and about 145” of antler. I had the opportunity and I took it. As for him nonchalantly calling me a liar, I didnt tell anyone about the deer simply because I spent 20+ hrs searching sick to my stomach about the reality I may not find him. Its something ill never stop thinking about, All I can do is pray he lives. I hope this clears up some of the “mud” I am a 100% team player but rules have to be across the board. There can not be a grey area or exceptions on deer just because they dont meet your standards. P.S this is something that should have been discussed with myself and the other 7 members on the lease prior to going to a social forum!
I can't really make a call on who is right or wrong in this situation... to me, it seems like there is an environment for a ton of confusion. I agree, things like this should be discussed internally before being thrown out on a public forum.

But... I think I might side with you just because I understood your response here and you know where the period and comma are on a keyboard!!!!

Sucks you are going through all of this and didn't even have the deer to show for it!
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Old 11-08-2018, 06:24 PM   #387
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Old 11-08-2018, 06:31 PM   #388
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Honestly there is no right or wrong, the whole thing is just a crap shoot. But its definitely something that will be discussed as a group on our lease. We will go to ONE definitive rule which is 5.5+ yr old deer. Whats sad had this situation been the reverse, id be giving him a high five and a congratulations! Good luck out there everyone!
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Old 11-08-2018, 07:07 PM   #389
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I smell an opening!!
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Old 11-08-2018, 07:14 PM   #390
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Honestly there is no right or wrong, the whole thing is just a crap shoot. But its definitely something that will be discussed as a group on our lease. We will go to ONE definitive rule which is 5.5+ yr old deer. Whats sad had this situation been the reverse, id be giving him a high five and a congratulations! Good luck out there everyone!
So you are saying that you convinced the other 7 members that you were right? Does that mean you are the new lease boss and the other guy went packing? You seem pretty sure that you are going to one rule now...
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Old 11-08-2018, 07:59 PM   #391
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The next lease weekend should be “interesting” to say the least.
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Old 11-08-2018, 08:11 PM   #392
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If you have a No Kill List. Then you need to have a list of consequences for not following the camp rules. For instance, if you shoot a deer on the No Kill List, then your hunting privileges will be immediately and permanently revoked without any refund.
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Old 11-08-2018, 08:25 PM   #393
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Old 11-08-2018, 08:33 PM   #394
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Sounds like a can of worms to me. I'm way to old to have someone telling me what I can kill and what I cannot. Fortunately I hunt my own land with Sil's and Grand kids.
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Old 11-08-2018, 08:45 PM   #395
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Old 11-08-2018, 09:59 PM   #396
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For the record, we have no lease agreement. We are a group of hunters that mutually agree on harvesting mature deer!!! We set the age to 5.5yr old deer. The deer that is being discussed was without a doubt 5.5yrs old. He was the ONLY 5.5 year old deer on the no kill list the OP speaks of. But what he failed to mention is the multiple discussions we had about moving him to the KILL LIST!

I will admit that with us having a tenative kill/no kill list that its unfair to send an arrow at a deer EVERYONE has not talked about. Im the only person that has seen that deer this year. Age was not a question , the deer met all lease requirements other than the OP’s (maybe hell blow up at 6.5) He walked out infront of me 200+lbs and about 145” of antler. I had the opportunity and I took it. As for him nonchalantly calling me a liar, I didnt tell anyone about the deer simply because I spent 20+ hrs searching sick to my stomach about the reality I may not find him. Its something ill never stop thinking about, All I can do is pray he lives. I hope this clears up some of the “mud” I am a 100% team player but rules have to be across the board. There can not be a grey area or exceptions on deer just because they dont meet your standards. P.S this is something that should have been discussed with myself and the other 7 members on the lease prior to going to a social forum!
Get back out there and shoot him again. Then find a lease for next year without Mickey Mouse lists and random knee jerk rules that destroy hunting, or better yet hunt public land. There are a few leases that properly implement management rules based on real data and succeed at improving the herd, most are just a bunch of guys playing the part because they were told it's cool and they stayed at a Holiday Inn Express.
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Old 11-08-2018, 10:03 PM   #397
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He has never made it on the list
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Old 11-08-2018, 10:05 PM   #398
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Too many rules.......
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Old 11-09-2018, 03:08 PM   #399
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He was on the list....
Farm truck was off said list and removed from lease.. poor guy must have had to walk to the stand




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Old 11-09-2018, 03:34 PM   #400
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Mr Miller, Im not choosing sides on this cluster F but I will say you lost a lot of credibility when you shot and didnt recover a deer and didnt tell anyone about it.
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