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Old 09-12-2019, 08:26 AM   #1
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Default If it's diseases from domestic sheep and goats that are keeping bighorn numbers down,

why does the U.S. government allow grazing on public lands where they can mingle? It really makes no sense. Bighorns generally live on grazing land that is marginal at best, and I can't imagine the government makes just a ton of money off of it.
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Old 09-12-2019, 08:29 AM   #2
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There an article showing that? I wouldn't doubt it for a second, makes sense.

That said I believe Texas accounts for nearly 50% of all domestic sheep farming in the US. So in theory i totally agree but that doesnt really account for other areas of the country. Unless sheep farmers are generally taking land that bighorn reside on.
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Old 09-12-2019, 08:29 AM   #3
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Our S Texas biologist blamed it on stinking Aoudads.....
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Old 09-12-2019, 08:33 AM   #4
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Our S Texas biologist blamed it on stinking Aoudads.....
That I would believe. Doesnt NM have an otc tag for barbary (aoudad) there? Seems more like invasives plus terrain change and such would affect them more.
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Old 09-12-2019, 08:34 AM   #5
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There an article showing that? I wouldn't doubt it for a second, makes sense.

That said I believe Texas accounts for nearly 50% of all domestic sheep farming in the US. So in theory i totally agree but that doesnt really account for other areas of the country. Unless sheep farmers are generally taking land that bighorn reside on.
http://www.thewildlifenews.com/2018/...-public-lands/
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Old 09-12-2019, 08:47 AM   #6
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No one in the know denies it but I'm sure there's plenty of conspiracy theorists out there who will tell you there's no such thing and it's a librul plan to outlaw meat production...

Meateater podcast had a really good episode with the Wild Sheep Foundation guys on this topic and they are working for ways that benefit both wild sheep and ranchers.

Grazing brings benefits to public lands and to the American people so it's not so easy as to just outlaw grazing.
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Old 09-12-2019, 09:16 AM   #7
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BLM and NF grazing allotments are revenue generating. If you want to put a rancher out of business in a state primary owned by federal government knock your self out. Are you ready to also pee on private property rights in Texas and outlaw sheep grazing on private land?

Some of the grazing allotments have been in same family for 80 plus years. You are talking millions of acres. Also when you shut them down you shut the water down.

NM has both OTC and draw Aoudad tags.

It’s more complicated then just putting sheep back on the mountain.

Every state has it’s own unique wild sheep issues, AZ for instance has Lion predation issues as they try to establish sheep in new areas. Recreational conservation has consequences very few actually consider and address

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Old 09-12-2019, 10:43 AM   #8
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No one in the know denies it but I'm sure there's plenty of conspiracy theorists out there who will tell you there's no such thing and it's a librul plan to outlaw meat production...

Meateater podcast had a really good episode with the Wild Sheep Foundation guys on this topic and they are working for ways that benefit both wild sheep and ranchers.

Grazing brings benefits to public lands and to the American people so it's not so easy as to just outlaw grazing.
Yep, that was a good listen!
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Old 09-12-2019, 11:11 AM   #9
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That I would believe. Doesnt NM have an otc tag for barbary (aoudad) there? Seems more like invasives plus terrain change and such would affect them more.
A tag for an exotic?? Hmm.
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A tag for an exotic?? Hmm.
Yea Ibex, Oryx and Aoudad.

Maryland has one for Sika also
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Old 09-12-2019, 11:32 AM   #11
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A tag for an exotic?? Hmm.
They are managed as game animals in NM
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Old 09-12-2019, 12:58 PM   #12
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Yea Ibex, Oryx and Aoudad.

Maryland has one for Sika also
California has them for wild hogs.
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Old 09-12-2019, 01:17 PM   #13
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California has them for wild hogs.
Forgot about that, In their defense then need all wildlife budget they can get just to keep up with bear and lion issues

California won’t have hunting in another 5 years though. Just banned trapping.

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Old 09-12-2019, 01:21 PM   #14
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Forgot about that, California won’t have hunting in another 5 years though. Just banned trapping


Which is a shame.
Some crazy good quail and chukar hunting out there


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Old 09-12-2019, 01:24 PM   #15
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A tag for an exotic?? Hmm.
$373 for a NR audad
$1623 for NR Ibex, but no reason to worry about that it is nearly impossible to draw
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