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Old 09-11-2019, 01:41 PM   #1
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Default What's the deal with Rollover Pass?

I haven't seen any new threads about it on here. Can someone in the know please tell us what's going on, and why?
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Old 09-11-2019, 01:51 PM   #2
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Fencing it off by the end of the month, will be filled in by April. It's allowing roo much silt into the intracoastal and they're spending way too much state funding dredging it out. Also it's allowing the salinity levels to stay high in an ordinarily low level part of the bay. This has caused havoc on the oyster populations.

This is what I've heard anyway, don't shoot the messenger.
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Old 09-11-2019, 01:56 PM   #3
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I thought they decided a few years back to let nature take it's course. I guess they have still been keeping it open.

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TEXAS GENERAL LAND OFFICE ANNOUNCES CONTRACTOR FOR ROLLOVER PASS CLOSURE

GALVESTON, TEXAS – Today, the Texas General Land Office announced the award of contract for the closure of Rollover Pass, Bolivar Peninsula to Brizo Construction, LLC. The notice to proceed will be issued on September 9th, 2019. Fencing is expected to be installed by the end of September. At this time, construction on the pass is expected to continue through April 2020.

The closure of Rollover Pass was authorized by the Texas Legislature in 2009, under Senate Bill 2043. Rollover Pass is a man-made strait. It was cut into the Bolivar Peninsula in 1955 by the Texas Game and Fish Commission (which is now Texas Parks & Wildlife) at the peninsula’s narrowest point. The pass connected the Gulf of Mexico with Rollover Bay and was intended to improve water quality and salinity in the bay and help with fish migration while also improving local fishing conditions.

Unfortunately, the Pass has created a number of damaging side effects that threaten public and private property and cost Texas and U.S. taxpayers hundreds of thousands of dollars every year. Costly erosion, environmental damage, storm threats, and safety concerns have plagued Rollover Pass for years. Flow velocity threatens the State Highway 87 bridge, which is the only land access to the Bolivar Peninsula and the primary hurricane evacuation route. The closure of the Pass will address the issues above, in addition allowing nearby estuaries to return to their natural state and strengthen natural fish and oyster habitats.

Following the closure of the pass, a public park and recreational area are proposed, including a fishing pier on the gulf side of the peninsula. The projects would be built as soon as possible. The GLO is currently in the pier permitting process with the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers.
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Old 09-11-2019, 02:14 PM   #5
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I've heard rumors of a casino also having to do with it. Idk.
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Old 09-11-2019, 04:58 PM   #6
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Wonder where all the money went they stole from people that went there to fish that was supposed to be used for legal purposes to keep it open? Last time I went there to fish this guy zooms up on a golf cart and demands money to fish there. I told him to pound sand. Everywhere you go somebody has their hand out for money.
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Old 09-11-2019, 05:07 PM   #7
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Wonder where all the money went they stole from people that went there to fish that was supposed to be used for legal purposes to keep it open? Last time I went there to fish this guy zooms up on a golf cart and demands money to fish there. I told him to pound sand. Everywhere you go somebody has their hand out for money.


We never had to pay to fish there… And I got checked by a game warden one time.


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Old 09-11-2019, 05:31 PM   #8
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Wonder where all the money went they stole from people that went there to fish that was supposed to be used for legal purposes to keep it open? Last time I went there to fish this guy zooms up on a golf cart and demands money to fish there. I told him to pound sand. Everywhere you go somebody has their hand out for money.
Lol.. I would have told him to kick rocks! Crazy!
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Old 09-11-2019, 05:37 PM   #9
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Wonder where all the money went they stole from people that went there to fish that was supposed to be used for legal purposes to keep it open? Last time I went there to fish this guy zooms up on a golf cart and demands money to fish there. I told him to pound sand. Everywhere you go somebody has their hand out for money.
My understanding is that is private property and some rod n gun club owns the land and charges a $5 fee.

Edit: this was old info; apparently they sold it for a bundle a couple years ago.

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Old 09-11-2019, 06:11 PM   #10
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Should have thrown him in the pass. Fishing is free there.
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Old 09-11-2019, 06:32 PM   #11
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Should have thrown him in the pass. Fishing is free there.


They had signs up back then saying the charge was for legal fees to keep it open. If you fished there you were supposed to pay. The signs are down and it’s free again now.
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Old 09-11-2019, 08:45 PM   #12
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Fence goes up next couple weeks and fill in begins in October.


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Old 09-12-2019, 06:23 AM   #13
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Listening to the outdoor show this morning and Capt Mickey said it will be officially closed and fenced off by the end of September and the fill in will be completed April 2020.
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Old 09-12-2019, 08:19 AM   #14
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It was man made, money had to be spent to dredge it and keep it open. Curious on the casino angle ?
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Old 09-12-2019, 09:00 AM   #15
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It was man made, money had to be spent to dredge it and keep it open. Curious on the casino angle ?
Something about trying to get gambling to Galveston because of it being an island. With Rollover pass technically making Bolivar Peninsula an island, it would then allow casinos to come into Bolivar and not keep them in Galveston.
At least that is the gist of what a theory on the Facebooks
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Old 09-12-2019, 09:43 AM   #16
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I would think that Tillman and his wallet would be fighting any casino prospect between Lake Charles and Las Vegas, that would cannibalize his existing casinos.
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Old 09-12-2019, 10:06 AM   #17
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Something about trying to get gambling to Galveston because of it being an island. With Rollover pass technically making Bolivar Peninsula an island, it would then allow casinos to come into Bolivar and not keep them in Galveston.
At least that is the gist of what a theory on the Facebooks


This is at least what the conspiracy theory is.

Galveston doesn't want Bolivar to be an island. If rollover pass is filled in then Boliver will not qualify as an island, thus not allowed to have a casino. Tin foil hats are saying follow the money. Can't deny a possible casino will be a money maker.
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Old 09-12-2019, 10:38 AM   #18
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BS it has ALWAYS been free!
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Old 09-12-2019, 10:49 AM   #19
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No it wasn’t. For about 2 years they were charging everyone and giving out day passes. It was all a racket.
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Old 09-12-2019, 11:05 AM   #20
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I'll be rolling in next thurs for 12 days. Hopefully I'll get 1 more shot at it.
Pulled a lot of nice fish out of there over the yrs.
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Old 09-12-2019, 11:28 AM   #21
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I'll be rolling in next thurs for 12 days. Hopefully I'll get 1 more shot at it.
Pulled a lot of nice fish out of there over the yrs.



Good luck. It may all be fenced off by then
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Old 09-12-2019, 11:40 AM   #22
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This is at least what the conspiracy theory is.

Galveston doesn't want Bolivar to be an island. If rollover pass is filled in then Boliver will not qualify as an island, thus not allowed to have a casino. Tin foil hats are saying follow the money. Can't deny a possible casino will be a money maker.
It can still be considered an island unless they fill in Sabine pass or the ship channel or intercostal canal.
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Old 09-12-2019, 11:41 AM   #23
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No it wasn’t. For about 2 years they were charging everyone and giving out day passes. It was all a racket.
Yep they started charging after it was rebuilt from Ike but I think it was only on the east side.
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Old 09-12-2019, 11:45 AM   #24
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Yep they started charging after it was rebuilt from Ike but I think it was only on the east side.


It was both sides. I paid multiple times and finally got tired of it and told the old guy on the cart to stick it.
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It was both sides. I paid multiple times and finally got tired of it and told the old guy on the cart to stick it.
Gotcha I haven't fished there since before Ike.
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Old 09-12-2019, 01:35 PM   #26
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We were there crabbing with the kids last month, there were several monster reds pulled out while we were there.
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Old 09-13-2019, 11:03 AM   #27
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They have been fighting to keep the pass open for years now. George P Bush the Texas land General put the squeeze on Galveston county to close the pass or lose some state funding. the Pass was opened in 1955 by the Texas Game and Fish Commission when they were granted an easement by the property owners. The intent was to increase bay water salinity, promote growth of submerged vegetation, and help marine fish to and from spawning and feeding areas in the bay.[1]

The sad part is Rollover pass gave anglers without a boat the opportunity at being able to catch a trophy speckled trout. There has been so many 8 plus pound trout caught from February through may there it was a trophy factory. I have seen 4 thirty plus inch trout caught from inside the pass in one day with the largest at 34".

The pass is what has kept East Galveston bay fishable the last.4 years with all of the floods. Closing the pass will be detrimental to the ecosystem in the East bay area. The loss of oysters has been due to all of the fresh water flooding definately not from high salinity levels.
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Old 09-13-2019, 08:26 PM   #28
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I hear they are having a protest or something tomorow
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I hear they are having a protest or something tomorow


Yep. Suppose to be a protest there starting at 10am. Facebook seems to be the main avenue for the anti closing people.
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They have been fighting to keep the pass open for years now. George P Bush the Texas land General put the squeeze on Galveston county to close the pass or lose some state funding. the Pass was opened in 1955 by the Texas Game and Fish Commission when they were granted an easement by the property owners. The intent was to increase bay water salinity, promote growth of submerged vegetation, and help marine fish to and from spawning and feeding areas in the bay.[1]

The sad part is Rollover pass gave anglers without a boat the opportunity at being able to catch a trophy speckled trout. There has been so many 8 plus pound trout caught from February through may there it was a trophy factory. I have seen 4 thirty plus inch trout caught from inside the pass in one day with the largest at 34".

The pass is what has kept East Galveston bay fishable the last.4 years with all of the floods. Closing the pass will be detrimental to the ecosystem in the East bay area. The loss of oysters has been due to all of the fresh water flooding definately not from high salinity levels.
Thats what confuses me about the situation..how is taking something that wasnt there in the first place...going to destroy the natural ecosystem of that bay?
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Old 09-16-2019, 12:05 PM   #34
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Good question
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Old 09-16-2019, 12:11 PM   #35
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Thats what confuses me about the situation..how is taking something that wasnt there in the first place...going to destroy the natural ecosystem of that bay?
It's not. This is just more of man thinking he is smarter than mother nature.
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Old 09-16-2019, 12:27 PM   #36
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I have been through 4 hurricanes. New passes will come and go. Sad for any pass to go. Packery has been a man made success. I remember fish passes built by nature (storms) in the sixties (yeh Im old). I have seen what a huge tidal surge can do. I remember The Million Dollar inn Being only thing on North Padre actually on the Beach area (other than Reds and Bob Hall Pier) and I was the chief hash brown cook and bottle washer driving my sometimes running 60's Galaxy. No one built on the island as it was a future loss. I rented Surf Boards from an old Van which the sand finally swallowed. Of course Port Aransas has had structure since Way back being a major port. I never made it to Rollover and regretting it now hearing closure.
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Thats what confuses me about the situation..how is taking something that wasnt there in the first place...going to destroy the natural ecosystem of that bay?
There are real benefits and drawbacks in regards to hydrology and the back bay ecosystem of East Galveston Bay regarding Rollover Pass. I'm not a scientist, so I am not going to go into all of them, but just try to answer this question at a 10,000' level.

With jetties, the Intracoastal canal, flood control, habitat loss, coastal development etc, man has indelibly altered the hydrology of all of our bay systems from their natural state. So, the concept of returning the coast to "how it was" is impossible.

All of Texas permanent and non permanent passes were filled in or opened on mother nature's own schedule in geologic time before the imprint of man. Generally speaking, hurricanes opened some and closed others, then rivers and tides would open some of the closed ones and close some of the open ones. The abundance of coastal marsh systems, lack of scientific observation, and lack of people meant that the bad times weren't really noticeable. There were still a ton of fish and just a few fisherman. In my grandfather's time, people measured their fishing days by how many cooler's of fish they caught. Now it is, relatively small in comparison, limits of 5 or 10 trout and 3 reds. Now, there are less fish and more fisherman, so even small dips in bay productivity are felt by coastal communities.

A buddy of mine's dad grew up fishing East Bay in the 50's and it had clear water and sea grass like many other Texas coastal bays. Those days are long gone.

Currently, Rollover offers some saltwater interchange in a bay that can get unseasonably fresh and it is a fish pass. It also causes silting, which some believe is one reason for a lack of sea grass in the bay. The silting is also a problem for the state in regards to dollars to dredge the Intracoastal Canal, and that is the bottom line in regards to closure.

Nobody really knows whether closure is going to be a good thing or a bad thing for the bay. It will probably be both.

There is no doubt that it is a loss of opportunity for fisherman.

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One thing I personally know for a fact, take it with a grain of salt... the turtle grass in East Galveston has all but disappeared since the opening of the pass. So there are consequences to our actions, some bad, some good.
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