What will you do when your union endorses they next democrat?

[flywise]

Well whats the problem with unions if your not a member anymore? Do you feel the same way about the Koch Bros.? I despise both, money used to corrupt and influence politics. Unfortunately our country, elections, and justice all come with price tags.

The problem with unions ( leadership on a national level) spend money on officials that do not come close to representing the beliefs of the membership.

If the union leadership took a vote from its members and then spend the money accordingly then I would not have to ask the original question and there would be no need for the Koch brothers. My question was asked originally because I KNOW that the majority of dues paying members across the country do not and would not spend their hard earned money on either of these 2 democrats. But yet, their leaders will certainly spend your money on these democrats.

[Bayouboy]

Unions by their very definition are socialist, in fact that's how the Russian revolution came about in 1917

Wow! Learn something new everyday. Since I am a union member I am also a socialist. Never voted anything except republican my whole life. But, I am still a socialist. May as well label me a lesbian as well. Cuz, I do like women also.

What else you got in that giant bag of knowledge?

[Bayouboy]

The problem with unions ( leadership on a national level) spend money on officials that do not come close to representing the beliefs of the membership.

If the union leadership took a vote from its members and then spend the money accordingly then I would not have to ask the original question and there would be no need for the Koch brothers. My question was asked originally because I KNOW that the majority of dues paying members across the country do not and would not spend their hard earned money on either of these 2 democrats. But yet, their leaders will certainly spend your money on these democrats.

Since you tend to know and care so much about unions for someone that is not in one... How about putting a thread out there asking about people in mgt that are encouraged/ volunteerly forced to donate money to certain politicians and campaigns. The same way many are encouraged/ volunteerly forced to donate to United Way.

Evidently you need a little reassurance that it is ok not to be in the union when the majority of your coworkers are. Has to always be in the back of your mind knowing you are riding their coat tails. I see it on a daily basis where I work. A hand full of non union coworkers not quiet knowing how to associate with the union workers that are the majority.

It's ok.... If starting a union bashing and dog-pile thread eases your mind. By all means go for it.

[flywise]

Since you tend to know and care so much about unions for someone that is not in one... How about putting a thread out there asking about people in mgt that are encouraged/ volunteerly forced to donate money to certain politicians and campaigns. The same way many are encouraged/ volunteerly forced to donate to United Way.

Evidently you need a little reassurance that it is ok not to be in the union when the majority of your coworkers are. Has to always be in the back of your mind knowing you are riding their coat tails. I see it on a daily basis where I work. A hand full of non union coworkers not quiet knowing how to associate with the union workers that are the majority.

It's ok.... If starting a union bashing and dog-pile thread eases your mind. By all means go for it.

Since you dont quite understand the intent of this thread. And seem to be nothing more that a good die hard union man maybe you should spend a little less time on it.
I have not once bashed the union
I have not spent 1 minute of my life worrying about how I am perceived by anyone I work with.
I do not "ride the coat tails" of our union
I started working here several years BEFORE there was a union in place
i know for you and maybe other folks it might be hard to comprehend the question i posed and my other follow up post but please try to express an opinion based on the question or move on to something else.

You said you have always voted republican
i assume thats because you do not live your life the way a liberal tends too.
So, the question is......Will you express your opinion to your leaders when your union endorses one of these two democrats? Or will you just keep on keepin on same as usual? When your union votes and spend your money on politictions who DO NOT have your best interest in mind, does it anger you?

[flywise]

Since you tend to know and care so much about unions for someone that is not in one... How about putting a thread out there asking about people in mgt that are encouraged/ volunteerly forced to donate money to certain politicians and campaigns. The same way many are encouraged/ volunteerly forced to donate to United Way.

Evidently you need a little reassurance that it is ok not to be in the union when the majority of your coworkers are. Has to always be in the back of your mind knowing you are riding their coat tails. I see it on a daily basis where I work. A hand full of non union coworkers not quiet knowing how to associate with the union workers that are the majority.

It's ok.... If starting a union bashing and dog-pile thread eases your mind. By all means go for it.

I would quit paying dues the instant I was forced to do something I did not want to do with my money...But thats just me and my principles

[flywise]

Im a fireman but i have never been in the IAFF. Reason being, i despise democrats and i have yet to see a National union endorse anyone other that a dem. This year the dems consist of a crazy communist ( self proclaimed ) and a wicked criminal who should have long ago been sent to prison.
Would you voice your dissatisfaction with the endorsement, quit in protest or probably do nothing at all knowing the leadership is once again endorsing a candidates that will take more and more from your wallet?

No bashing...just a question

[Barrett]

I would not work for any organization that compromised my beliefs to the extent that it truly bothered me. If you do not like the way a company/union operates, then find somewhere else to work.

[Barrett]

The problem with unions ( leadership on a national level) spend money on officials that do not come close to representing the beliefs of the membership.

If the union leadership took a vote from its members and then spend the money accordingly then I would not have to ask the original question and there would be no need for the Koch brothers. My question was asked originally because I KNOW that the majority of dues paying members across the country do not and would not spend their hard earned money on either of these 2 democrats. But yet, their leaders will certainly spend your money on these democrats.

What are your thoughts about the Koch Bros. spending $889 million to prop up the repub. party? I realize it happens on both sides by the way, however, I do feel the Republican party has much more dirty donations than the Dems. Should billionaires be able to influence elections?

[flywise]

What are your thoughts about the Koch Bros. spending $889 million to prop up the repub. party? I realize it happens on both sides by the way, however, I do feel the Republican party has much more dirty donations than the Dems. Should billionaires be able to influence elections?

I have no problem with the Koch brothers and their donations or their super pacs, they only exist because of the"Citizens United"case ruled on by the Supreme Court. Their contributions are protected by the constitution of the United States. If I were a billionaire I'd spend as much as possible in an effort to keep more of what I make( $ ) and to ease the gov. burden on my business.

Citizen united was brought about ( as i understand it) because Unions to that point were acting like a Super pac for the Dem. party for nearly 100 years while no other entity of equal size to the unions could contribute anything close. That lead to the unions having an unfair advantage in political spending and influence. Now its a "whats good for the goose is good for the gander" only fair would you not agree?

And as for Republicans having more dirty donations....you might check into the Clintons dirty donations. People have gone to prison. China made out like a fat rat with contributions to the dem party during the 90's

[Chew]

I don't know enough about unions to join in the debate. But my best buddy from the Marines is a big union guy in Topeka, KS (Goodyear). He is one of the most die hard conservatives (not politically, but in real life) that I know. Patriot, Marine, family man, independent, etc. But the union has turned him into a political democrat. I just don't get it.

[flywise]

I don't know enough about unions to join in the debate. But my best buddy from the Marines is a big union guy in Topeka, KS (Goodyear). He is one of the most die hard conservatives (not politically, but in real life) that I know. Patriot, Marine, family man, independent, etc. But the union has turned him into a political democrat. I just don't get it.

I think that happens because the membership does not believe they have any choice. Speak out for your principles and you might pay a price.
If your existence relies on that career than I guess you have to go with the flow. but it seems to me that if every conservative all at once demanded changes to the leadership it would have to listen.
Like I mentioned in an earlier post ( that seems to have been ignored by some) I do not believe for a second that the rank and file members are anywhere near the liberals their leadership is. And if thousands upon thousands of conservative members told the leadership to fly a kite and impeach them there could one day be real representation for the members

[2B4Him]

I have no personal experience with unions, but my opinion would be that it shouldn't matter who the 'union' endorses, individuals do the voting on election day and they can vote for whomever they want.

[Barrett]

Flywise, I hope you understand that I, as an independent, am not taking sides. Google who spends more Unions or Koch Bros. and the findings are all over the place. My point, which did not come out as planned, is that OUR govt. is influenced in so many ways due to money that there will never be a true fair election.
If someone does not like working for a union because of where they spend their money then find another employer which represents the employee.
You are correct about the Clinton's being part of the most filthy families in US. Furthermore, just because something is protected by the Constitution does not mean that it is good for the majority of citizens.

[flywise]

Flywise, I hope you understand that I, as an independent, am not taking sides. Google who spends more Unions or Koch Bros. and the findings are all over the place. My point, which did not come out as planned, is that OUR govt. is influenced in so many ways due to money that there will never be a true fair election.
If someone does not like working for a union because of where they spend their money then find another employer which represents the employee.
You are correct about the Clinton's being part of the most filthy families in US. Furthermore, just because something is protected by the Constitution does not mean that it is good for the majority of citizens.

I understand where your coming from.
My reply was simply that if the unions had not been spending so much money on elections for the last 100 years then there would be no need for the Koch brothers and those like them.

[flywise]

I have no personal experience with unions, but my opinion would be that it shouldn't matter who the 'union' endorses, individuals do the voting on election day and they can vote for whomever they want.

of course only the individual can vote, my question only applies to folks paying dues and then their leadership spending the money that should go to benefit the members on political leaders that do not in anyway represent those same members.
It would be like me ( a stanch conservative) being forced to contribute to the Hillary campaign.