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Old 12-19-2017, 10:22 AM   #151
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Old 12-19-2017, 10:23 AM   #152
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Old 12-19-2017, 10:45 AM   #153
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Old 12-19-2017, 10:46 AM   #154
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I was thinking his drops lost some length in the trailcam pic you posted previously, but they look pretty good in those pics!
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Old 12-19-2017, 11:10 AM   #155
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Have you seen these traits in any other deer since 30 years ago?

I would let him spread his seed!
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Old 12-19-2017, 11:22 AM   #156
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Old 12-19-2017, 11:27 AM   #157
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Jump and fly jump and die; if the highway dont get him the neighbors will... but man what a buck
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Old 12-19-2017, 11:34 AM   #158
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Have you seen these traits in any other deer since 30 years ago?

I would let him spread his seed!
Iíve seen more than 1 drop on one side... but never more than 1 on two sides.
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Old 12-19-2017, 02:32 PM   #159
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So..the decision is made to give him another year? hes a true giant now.
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Old 12-19-2017, 04:51 PM   #160
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Dream dmp buck
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Old 12-19-2017, 05:11 PM   #161
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tough one to let walk but if he makes next year, I can't imagine.
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Old 12-19-2017, 08:17 PM   #162
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Heís cooler because heís not
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Old 12-19-2017, 09:20 PM   #163
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Old 12-19-2017, 09:50 PM   #164
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^^^^^ Love it, Great deer Sir
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Old 12-19-2017, 10:06 PM   #165
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What a cool buck! As awesome as he looks from the back...really hopefully... you have some pics head on?
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Old 12-21-2017, 12:10 AM   #166
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Old 12-21-2017, 12:14 AM   #167
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Wow! Even better than I imagined.
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Old 12-21-2017, 06:48 AM   #168
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Absolute stud. Can't wait to see him next year.
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Old 12-21-2017, 09:36 AM   #169
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Both Last year. I think he scores about the same now, heís lost a little tine length but I think has a lot more frame.


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Old 12-21-2017, 09:41 AM   #170
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amazing! thanks for sharing
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Old 12-21-2017, 09:43 AM   #171
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I would need a new pair of drawers if that dude walked out in front of me!
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Old 12-21-2017, 09:59 AM   #172
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Old 12-21-2017, 12:48 PM   #173
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Both Last year. I think he scores about the same now, heís lost a little tine length but I think has a lot more frame.


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I'm glad you are letting him go another year...or three. by the time you shoot him, his drops may be so big you could flip his horns upside down or right side up and he will have the same typical score. Lol! Great buck. Thx for sharing.

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Old 12-21-2017, 02:16 PM   #174
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Heís cooler because heís not
Not that there is ANYTHING wrong with DMP Pens, but this statement couldn't be any truer!!!

What a beautiful buck Marko... Thanks for sharing him with us. I am hoping for a banner rain year next Spring, I want to see what this guy can do.

If I owned your place, I would name this deer, "Drop It Like Its Hawt!!!"
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Old 12-21-2017, 02:46 PM   #175
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Good grief... what a dandy!
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Old 12-21-2017, 02:49 PM   #176
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If you didn't have so many different pics, I would swear the pics were photoshopped. Amazing. Im guessing high fence?
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Old 12-21-2017, 02:52 PM   #177
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Not that there is ANYTHING wrong with DMP Pens, but this statement couldn't be any truer!!!

What a beautiful buck Marko... Thanks for sharing him with us. I am hoping for a banner rain year next Spring, I want to see what this guy can do.

If I owned your place, I would name this deer, "Drop It Like Its Hawt!!!"
One of the guys last year started calling him ďThe SawfishĒ.
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Old 12-21-2017, 03:25 PM   #178
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Holy Moses! What a deer! Ain't no way I'd let him walk.
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Old 12-21-2017, 04:09 PM   #179
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B B B B B B bad to the bone for sure. A beautiful deer in anybody's book.
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Old 12-21-2017, 04:22 PM   #180
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Wow!
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Old 12-21-2017, 04:28 PM   #181
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Goodness!!!
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Old 12-21-2017, 05:02 PM   #182
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Old 12-21-2017, 07:43 PM   #183
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How did you get that video?? That's awesome

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Old 12-21-2017, 08:08 PM   #184
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that drone video is bad aa*****$, such a cool idea. It's funny even a deer doesn't like to be followed by one

What do ya'll think he scores this year
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Old 12-21-2017, 10:55 PM   #185
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That is one bad mutha, congrats on raising such a beast ( again) thanks for sharing!!
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Old 12-22-2017, 07:55 AM   #186
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God I love that "Red Dirt"... Nice Buck too
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Old 12-22-2017, 01:29 PM   #187
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Heís cooler because heís not
Dmp as in native deer caught and put with 20 does. Not as in bought and placed with 20 does. Big difference. I get it if you and other thought I meant breeder deer.
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Old 12-22-2017, 01:49 PM   #188
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Dmp as in native deer caught and put with 20 does. Not as in bought and placed with 20 does. Big difference. I get it if you and other thought I meant breeder deer.
DMP native to native is still a breeding program, and what comes out of that is something less than native.
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Old 12-22-2017, 02:09 PM   #189
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DMP native to native is still a breeding program, and what comes out of that is something less than native.
Couldn't disagree with your statement more, If you are putting a native buck in with native does, you are manipulating your breeding, but the results are still 100% native.
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Old 12-22-2017, 02:25 PM   #190
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Couldn't disagree with your statement more, If you are putting a native buck in with native does, you are manipulating your breeding, but the results are still 100% native.
If you are deciding who breeds who and increasing an individual bucks influence on your herd by large magnitudes... and then breeding back as is so often the case, itís a breeding program and you have gone away from native.

You canít breed deer and be 100% native. You can have 100% Texas genetics, but you arenít native anymore.
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Old 12-22-2017, 02:42 PM   #191
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If you are deciding who breeds who and increasing an individual bucks influence on your herd by large magnitudes... and then breeding back as is so often the case, itís a breeding program and you have gone away from native.



You canít breed deer and be 100% native. You can have 100% Texas genetics, but you arenít native anymore.


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Old 12-22-2017, 03:41 PM   #192
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That is a different and unique view. Surprised he tolerated all that noise for as long as he did. I would be nervous as all get out w all those extra tines and the possibility of getting locked up. He is a magnificent WT. Nice going, hope he lives a long life.
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Old 12-22-2017, 04:12 PM   #193
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If you are deciding who breeds who and increasing an individual bucks influence on your herd by large magnitudes... and then breeding back as is so often the case, itís a breeding program and you have gone away from native.

You canít breed deer and be 100% native. You can have 100% Texas genetics, but you arenít native anymore.
That makes zero sense. If you do not introduce genetics, it's 100 percent native.

And if that's what constitutes a breeding program, the high fence and culling program puts you in the breeder category. You can easily influence who lives and who dies on 4000 acres
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That makes zero sense. If you do not introduce genetics, it's 100 percent native.

And if that's what constitutes a breeding program, the high fence and culling program puts you in the breeder category. You can easily influence who lives and who dies on 4000 acres
I'd have to disagree with you as well. Maybe the term "Natural" is the term he is going for instead of "Native". They are native from a genetic standpoint inside and outside a breeder program, but the fact that that deer is pasture born and naturally occurred with minimal human influence is much more impressive than one that came from a breeding program.
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Old 12-22-2017, 04:24 PM   #195
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That makes zero sense. If you do not introduce genetics, it's 100 percent native.

And if that's what constitutes a breeding program, the high fence and culling program puts you in the breeder category. You can easily influence who lives and who dies on 4000 acres
I donít decide who gets to breed and my deer have to earn their right to breed in a natural setting competing with other deer. Stop grasping it doesnít make any sense.

A DMP is a Permit to breed deer.

I can kill deer and let deer live, but I canít line breed does back to their fathers and brothers.

Calling 4000 acres a breeder pen is pretty funny.
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Old 12-22-2017, 04:35 PM   #196
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I'd have to disagree with you as well. Maybe the term "Natural" is the term he is going for instead of "Native". They are native from a genetic standpoint inside and outside a breeder program, but the fact that that deer is pasture born and naturally occurred with minimal human influence is much more impressive than one that came from a breeding program.
Correct, it is not the natural process, but they are absolutely 100% native.
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Old 12-22-2017, 04:39 PM   #197
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Correct, it is not the natural process, but they are absolutely 100% native.
They are bred in captivity. At what point f-1 to f-20 do they become non native then.

A native deer is the beginning, but it isnít the result.
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Old 12-22-2017, 04:55 PM   #198
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They are bred in captivity. At what point f-1 to f-20 do they become non native then.

A native deer is the beginning, but it isnít the result.
They are 100% native until outside genetics are introduced.
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That’s exactly what a breeding does, introduces non-native genetics.
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Thatís exactly what a breeding does, introduces non-native genetics.
So what by your definition would be a native deer?
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