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Old 10-01-2014, 05:20 PM   #1
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Old 10-01-2014, 06:27 PM   #2
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Very nice,
Looks like he knows what he doing out there
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Kind of hard to tell from those angles but it looks like he has some good run to it. Just a tip, if you can possibly get down right behind the backstop at or barely above ground level and get some footage it would be much easier for coaches to see what he's got. If you can't get that angle in a game then set it up for a bullpen and show 3 or 4 of each pitch in the video. That's the same way I ended up getting recruited, sent about 12 videos out all over the state. Everyone overlooks the slow throwing lefty, the submarine guys get some of the same crap too! If they like what they see then come springtime they will come check him out for themselves. Good luck!
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Old 10-02-2014, 12:42 AM   #4
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Thanks, Fly; good tips, Ramball. And, yes, ball moves a lot : throws 2-seam fastball that looks hittable but has late movement that gets misses or weak grounders and the curve/slider starts inside on righty and hits outside corner. Need to edit some footage already shot in bullpens from offset just behind pitcher. Maybe put a go-pro on the catcher.
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Looks good! Like said above I would love to see the camera off the right shoulder of the Ump. Pitches look lively with good movement.
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Those sub pitchers are a ***** to hit off of. Tough to see them leaving the pitchers hand if you bat right handed. He has good form from what I can see. Keep an eye on this elbow for any pain and make sure his always ices it down after the games.
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Thanks Antler and Tracker. Motion is pretty easy and fluid for him; seems he always had a lower arm slot, so coaches suggested submarine about five years ago. Only pain in elbow came a couple of years ago from "over-pronating" (rotating wrist inward at release), but therapist fixed in a couple of visits. No problems since.
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Reminds me of ole Brett Saberhagen on the Royals, long time ago. Nasty lookin break on that curve.
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Old 10-05-2014, 04:50 PM   #9
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Was pretty good in relief today: in 3 innings struck out 6, with 3 groundouts (no runs, 1 hit).
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Good outing yesterday in Franklin: In 2 innings -- 2 strikeouts, 3 groundouts (including a double play to get a man who reached on error). Has been playing football and working out and seems to have gotten stronger; velocity from that submarine armslot was 83-85. Question for baseball dads/moms & college recruits: Thinking about signing up for Perfect Game Uncommitted Showcase in Tomball in November -- worth it? ($700) Already being approached by some smaller schools.
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Old 10-20-2014, 09:42 AM   #11
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Good outing yesterday in Franklin: In 2 innings -- 2 strikeouts, 3 groundouts (including a double play to get a man who reached on error). Has been playing football and working out and seems to have gotten stronger; velocity from that submarine armslot was 83-85. Question for baseball dads/moms & college recruits: Thinking about signing up for Perfect Game Uncommitted Showcase in Tomball in November -- worth it? ($700) Already being approached by some smaller schools.
$700.....heck NO! All a money making scheme
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Old 10-20-2014, 09:49 AM   #12
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Get a hold of Joel Hinojosa in Austin if you can. He's still a barber there but still teaches pitching some and his son JoJo Hinojosa is a buddy of mine that pitched for UT and got drafted and he threw submarine. Just sayin that they might be able to talk to some folks for ya. Really good people!
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Old 10-20-2014, 09:55 AM   #13
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There is actually a trend for arms like your son. TCU has a guy, Morrison, that I would love to sign. Baltimore has O'Day that gets RHH's out routinely w/ ground balls.

The key I see is velo vs. secondary velo. If you can keep them close to 10mph apart or more, you'll find better results in my opinion. If you can ride your FB into the upper 80's low 90's w/ a mid 70's breaking ball, your golden!

If your son goes the JC route, Temple is a great place right in your backyard.

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Right, gingib. Hard not to feel like "scheme", as opposed to "investment."

Thanks for the Hinojosa connection, KCK. Will check into this.

TreeNap (love your screen name -- hope you wear a safety harness! ) : speed differential is easily 10 or more mph. Sending PM.
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Update: Another good outing Sunday in Corpus: sub-20 pitches for 2 innings with nothing hit hard or even out of infield -- 4 groundouts, 2 strikeouts. Coach said D1 JUCO's "all want him" , plus getting interest from 4-year schools. I'm told that the talent level of D1 JUCO level is the closest thing to D1 Universities, and they often work as feeders to the big schools. l wonder if you parents or former athletes have advice on preferred ways to proceed in this process. We keep hearing him described as a "niche" pitcher, who would be used in middle relief; that is well and good, but I also know he has done just fine as a starter -- with a no-hitter to his credit -- and tends to go deep into games due to low pitch count with all the ground balls. BTW, we'll be in at the North Texas Showcase, at Airhogs stadium this weekend.
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D1 JUCO Have produced some good talent that 4 years schools look for. I am telling you that your son will do well as a starter or a middle relief pitcher. I would love to see him under Augie here at UT. Please make sure your son takes care of that arm after each game. Ice Ice Ice!
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Sweet. I was a Mac baseball player. Class of '83

Go Knights!!

That's awesome!
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Old 11-11-2014, 03:03 PM   #18
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D1 JUCO Have produced some good talent that 4 years schools look for. I am telling you that your son will do well as a starter or a middle relief pitcher. I would love to see him under Augie here at UT. Please make sure your son takes care of that arm after each game. Ice Ice Ice!
Wow, Tracker, thanks. Mom is a UT alum and wouldn't mind having him here as a Horn, I'm sure (nor would I, even as an LSU alum).
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Old 11-11-2014, 03:10 PM   #19
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Sweet. I was a Mac baseball player. Class of '83

Go Knights!!

That's awesome!
Alright Fish! It's Knighttime! Coach Houston is doing a great job with the program these days. Plus, the football team won district and has a first round play-off game vs. Vandergriff thursday. Eric also plays football -- linebacker and special teams. Kind of pitches with a hard-nosed linebacker attitude.
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Old 11-11-2014, 06:35 PM   #20
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Looks like cold front may delay North Texas Showcase.
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Just want to offer thanks to the GS and the 1,000-plus viewers of this thread. Without being too specific, (nothing official yet) looks like the young man will be pitching at the next level in a nationally competitive program.
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Old 12-11-2014, 11:52 AM   #22
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Update: Son called coach yesterday and gave verbal commitment to Navarro College; received assurance of 25 innings pitching next fall. All happy as Navarro considered one of the top JUCO baseball programs going -- won JUCO World Series as recently as 2011, and sends lots of players to top D1 4-year programs as well as to pros. Thanks again for encouragement and suggestions to those who have followed this on the GS.
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congrats! It all can change though come the fall.....just fyi

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Now that's what I am talking about! Its a perfect school to get started in the next step up the ladder to a big 4 year schools. Its a producer for great ball players. Congrats to you your wife and son. All that heard work is playing off.

https://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt...p-t-412-s&fp=1

Check out Brad Zeigler slow mo video. All I can say is you can't hit that!
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Old 12-11-2014, 02:37 PM   #25
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Thanks gingib and Tracker. Yeah, that Ziegler motion looks pretty similar to my man's; wouldn't mind if he turns out as well!

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Old 12-13-2014, 12:42 AM   #26
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Now just have to get him to get Eagle Scout project finished up....

Any Eagles out there?
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The boy did finish up his Eagle Scout project -- replaced and redesigned, with extra bracing to prevent warpage -- the bleachers at his high school's practice field ($1000 worth of new pressure treated lumber; 3 eight-hour days of labor.)
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The kid's got it!
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Awesome!
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Congrats
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Awesome! I hated hitting against a sub pitcher in our district my senior year (last year). The biggest issue I ever saw out of subs was consistency. Looks like your son has it though, good luck to him
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That's sweet stuff. Does he throw both a slider and a slurve/curve? I thought that's what I was seeing there. That's mean stuff to try to hit.
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My son has a Sub pitcher on his high school team... he says its very hard to catch him... its just different... Good luck to your son!
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Any offers yet? The scouts are out and looking hard this time of the year. Radar guns showing up at the games. Ellis you got a gun yet if not this seems like a good deal.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/311172118909
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Thanks, y'all. Tracker thanks for heads up on gun; as far as scouts, he has been noticed and has committed to play at Navarro College, starting next fall.
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Have you contacted coach David White at Cisco? He is about to lose one of his pitchers to a big 4 year school. Casey Sullivan is the kids name has a good fast ball. In the 90s. and 88 on the curveball.
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Just pulled thread up checking something and noticed the youtube link to the video wasn't on here anymore. So here it is. By the way, he will be pitching at Texas A&M - Kingsville this year.

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Why did he choose that style of pitching? Just curious, seems he will get tired quicker?
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Eric first started pitching from that arm slot in about 8th grade, at the suggestion of a select coach. The coach said he was tired of trying to get the kid to keep his elbow up when throwing overhand, so said let's try dropping down. He threw one bullpen on a Wednesday night, then three shutout innings in a game Saturday the first time he ever tried it in a game. Apparently, it's a natural motion for him.

He immediately loved the extreme movement he could get. "Dad, my curve breaks, like, three feet!" he said.

He's mainly been used as a reliever in "high-leverage" situations -- like two on, one out, late in a close game. He tends to get ground balls, which can turn into double plays, or pop-ups. The movement mainly produces off-barrel contact. But throughout high school and three years of college, he has maintained right about a strikeout per inning pitched. He got 9 saves last year at Nebraska-Kearney, which was 19th best in D2.

As far as fatigue, it usually just doesn't become an issue due to his usage in relief.
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Thanks for the comeback, outstanding!! Good luck to the young man
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Glad to. Thank you!


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Might as well add some college highlights:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-GRYBG9csc
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Might as well add some college highlights:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-GRYBG9csc
I can see the improvement on his delivery between high school and now.He looks faster and smoother then he did before. Good coaching I am sure.Keep him healthy and your son will have a bright future. Congrats Dad.
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Did he not get any better looks then a D2 and Kingsville? 83-85 from that arm slot isnt an everyday thing.
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Thanks, Tracker. I know you have kind of followed the young man for several years. Appreciate your thoughts on his motion getting smoother and faster. I agree, btw.

Gingib: In a perfect world, MLB would just reach out and grab him. Actually, I -- DAD -- think he pitches exactly like several guys getting paid to pitch late innings in the show. However, right now, I'm really happy for him to be playing for Coach Gonzales at TAMU-Kingsville. That team was the only team in Texas or any state nearby to make the D2 World Series last year, and they have many returners. It will be a good team, and I know that Eric will shine. The Lord has a Plan, I believe.

Thanks so much for your thoughts, sir!

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