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Old 07-09-2013, 05:45 PM   #1
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feel free to post pics ask questions and give your advice.. Im not a expert but theres a few off them on here



heres mine this is a surface find from Menard Tx. little help
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Old 07-09-2013, 06:31 PM   #2
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Good idea. I have some I need to put on here for the gurus to look at. As for yours I'm not sure of the ID on it. Nice little point though.
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Old 07-09-2013, 06:40 PM   #3
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Well we start with a tough one. Im going to say it is a Lange just judging from one pic and not being able to see the flaking. Middle Archaic.
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Old 07-09-2013, 06:49 PM   #4
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I call this one "reworked paleo w/ impact fracture".

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Old 07-09-2013, 07:29 PM   #5
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Well we start with a tough one. Im going to say it is a Lange just judging from one pic and not being able to see the flaking. Middle Archaic.
isn't a Lang a bigger point then that.. looking at my book it has the same look i would say your prob right
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Old 07-09-2013, 07:33 PM   #6
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I call this one "reworked paleo w/ impact fracture".

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maybe a broke Kisatchie..Where did you find it
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Old 07-09-2013, 07:35 PM   #7
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or a broke Hoxie just from looking at my book
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Old 07-09-2013, 08:06 PM   #8
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Copper87, the point you have is seriously exhausted. Been resharpened many times. it was origionally much larger. Exhausted points are always tough because we don't have a clear idea of how they looked new.
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Old 07-09-2013, 08:12 PM   #9
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It appears to be an axe? It's sharpened completely on one side. It's got some heft to it
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Old 07-09-2013, 08:19 PM   #10
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What about this?
It appears to be an axe? It's sharpened completely on one side. It's got some heft to it
It is a chopper. I will try to take some pictures tonight of some common South Texas points and post them for others to ID their points.
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Old 07-09-2013, 08:22 PM   #11
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I've got a few. All were found on my old lease between Freer and Laredo. I found close to 100 in the three years I hunted there.
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Old 07-09-2013, 08:23 PM   #12
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The black one was by far the best arrow head I've ever found.
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Old 07-09-2013, 08:33 PM   #13
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Here's some of what I found last weekend. Mainly tools/scrapers, pre-forms and brokes, but I am not sure what to call the point on the top row second from left with the broken base on one side. It's about 3.5". I'd guess it to be some kind of knife?
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Old 07-09-2013, 08:36 PM   #14
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Copper87, the point you have is seriously exhausted. Been resharpened many times. it was origionally much larger. Exhausted points are always tough because we don't have a clear idea of how they looked new.
I would have to say your right.. Its just a funny looking point
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Old 07-09-2013, 08:46 PM   #15
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Gargantuan. that's a Kerville knife.
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Old 07-09-2013, 08:58 PM   #16
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here is some of my surface finds from this year
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Old 07-09-2013, 10:46 PM   #17
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Gargantuan. that's a Kerville knife.
I don't think it is a kerville, they usually are very finely made and the one pictured is pretty crude. Also, the cortex end is larger than the blade and for the size of a kerville the blade is pretty thin.
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Old 07-10-2013, 01:10 PM   #18
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This is just an handful from my wifes grandfathers collection. He lived in Corsicana but owned a junk shop and traded a lot for all of his adult life. Who knows where these came from. These are just the ones I have in my possession. The second skinny one is completely clear.
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This is just an handful from my wifes grandfathers collection. He lived in Corsicana but owned a junk shop and traded a lot for all of his adult life. Who knows where these came from. These are just the ones I have in my possession. The second skinny one is completely clear.
I hate to say it man but I believe those are all imitations. I know an old man in Corsicana that has personally made me some that look exactly like that
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Old 07-10-2013, 01:18 PM   #20
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Hey dont feel bad. Thats why I posted them. All info is good info.
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Old 07-10-2013, 01:29 PM   #21
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I hate to say it man but I believe those are all imitations. I know an old man in Corsicana that has personally made me some that look exactly like that
i found a bunch of points like these that were really small on an island in richland chambers lake years ago. about quarter size and really serated. i was told they were cerimonoial and bird points but i really dont know. they were lost in my house fire in 2010 so i dont have any pics. so i guess im lying
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Old 07-10-2013, 01:48 PM   #22
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Here's some of what I found last weekend. Mainly tools/scrapers, pre-forms and brokes, but I am not sure what to call the point on the top row second from left with the broken base on one side. It's about 3.5". I'd guess it to be some kind of knife?
Yes, that looks to be knife. Love that Langtry on top!
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Old 07-10-2013, 02:26 PM   #23
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i found a bunch of points like these that were really small on an island in richland chambers lake years ago. about quarter size and really serated. i was told they were cerimonoial and bird points but i really dont know. they were lost in my house fire in 2010 so i dont have any pics. so i guess im lying
That is a type of real point but on these notice how there is no wear or "age" to them
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That is a type of real point but on these notice how there is no wear or "age" to them
Those are very nice works of modern art.
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Old 07-10-2013, 05:01 PM   #25
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I found this one in Coupland back when I was little.
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Old 07-10-2013, 05:58 PM   #26
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I hate to say it man but I believe those are all imitations. I know an old man in Corsicana that has personally made me some that look exactly like that
Do you happen to remember the guys name?

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Those are very nice works of modern art.
I havent seen the full collection. These are the ones my mother inlaw took out for us to have because the looked nice. I still need to get you out to look at it all. There just hasnt been a good time yet.

He may have been very busy. There are several rubber maid tubs full. I just havent seen whats inside.
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Old 07-10-2013, 06:12 PM   #27
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I would love to see them. Probably a bunch of authentic stuff in there.
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Old 07-10-2013, 06:45 PM   #28
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All surface finds in the past year...
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Old 07-10-2013, 07:10 PM   #29
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Snappertapper, there are several of those I would really like a better look at. Also what part of the state? Please take a good focused closeup of the point on the top row far right. The yellow one.

Also the third point to its left. It is kinda bell shaped and pointing down.

Theres more interesting stuff but lets start with those.
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Old 07-10-2013, 07:13 PM   #30
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Ok so I have a few I would like to know more about...bare with me for it might take a few to post up pics.
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Old 07-10-2013, 07:16 PM   #31
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First one up



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Old 07-10-2013, 07:16 PM   #32
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Please take focused closeups with something for scale.
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Old 07-10-2013, 07:17 PM   #33
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That's a classic friley. About 1000 years old.
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Old 07-10-2013, 07:18 PM   #34
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Second one. Is it petrified?



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Old 07-10-2013, 07:20 PM   #35
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Third ones
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Old 07-10-2013, 07:21 PM   #36
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Fourth set
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Old 07-10-2013, 07:23 PM   #37
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And this.. I have alot of grinding stones, half a pottery pot, and alot of other unique points but these are the ones I thought were more intersting
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I would like to see closeups of the circled points if possible. Focused, with flaking visible if possible on both sides.
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Old 07-10-2013, 07:30 PM   #39
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Second is a petried wood Gary. About 3000 years old. Next is another friley and an Alba. 1000 years old. Then the two Knives....geez... I would really like to hear the story on who, how and where they were found! Not specifically where but part of the state.
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Old 07-10-2013, 07:36 PM   #40
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This one is from willbarger co. near lake kemp.


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Old 07-10-2013, 07:39 PM   #41
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Steve, the two blades were less than a foot away from each other when I found them. Trust me my heart sank!! They seem to pe on great condition from what I, a rookie, can tell. As far as part of the state, right outside of longview not even 10 miles.
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Old 07-10-2013, 07:39 PM   #42
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Awesome stuff here!

Here's a couple more to identify.

White one I found on our place in Pflugerville and the red one I found in Cotulla.
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Old 07-10-2013, 07:40 PM   #43
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Nate, that looks like a nice little worn out Plainview just form looking at one side. 10,000 or so years old.
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Steve, the two blades were less than a foot away from each other when I found them. Trust me my heart sank!! They seem to pe on great condition from what I, a rookie, can tell. As far as part of the state, right outside of longview not even 10 miles.
They are very nice and I suspected they were together. I would be willing to bet there are three or four more of them in the dirt right there. You might want to go back and dig a little. I am going to call those Delhi even though they don't perfectly match the type. The reason I say that is there was a middle archaic trade route through East tx and often points identical to that were made in a "generic" style to be traded. These points virtually always come in cache groups of 4-8 blades.
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Tim, those are a little too damaged for me to positively ID. I will say though that the point on the left is ancient. It is probably a rootbeer color in reality. The white on it is purely patina that grows on Edwards chert. If you knocked a little piece of, it woiuld amaze you to see the original color inside. It took many thousands of years to grow that patina over the flaking.
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Any idea on post #25?
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I would like to see closeups of the circled points if possible. Focused, with flaking visible if possible on both sides.
Garguy, those are typical Deep South Texas points. I bet they are from webb county or neiboring counties. The angled teardrop shape is a desmuke and the triangles are either matamoros or tortuga depending on size, both can have concave and thinned bases. I literally have thousands of them from Webb.

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Any idea on post #25?
Looks to be a darl.
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Thanks Reelthreat. Classic or not, there is a wide variety in that frame and some of them are old. I would like a closer look. I see Tortugas in there. Look close and you might also see a Folsom.
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Any idea on post #25?
hard to tell with the stick and lashing. Its something middle Archaic.... Edit darl would fit.
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