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Old 12-11-2019, 04:04 PM   #251
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You know how everyone always shouts "why won't the Republicans in Congress do something!" ? Hint. It's because Congress has no real power or authority. They are scared of the people who do. Congress is a symptom of the problem. They aren't THE problem.
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Old 12-11-2019, 04:41 PM   #252
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Yessir! Gets them out of congress before they have a chance to screw too much up.
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hence the reason for them
With a term limit, the officeholder has no check and balance against bad behavior beginning one day after their last election.

The system is either corrupting otherwise honest people going in or attracting corrupt people to run for office (likely both).

Having shorter terms doesn't change the garbage-in-garbage-out problem. We need a better class of politicians going in to office, not simply more of them within a given time frame that a term-limited system would create.

Term limits just give incentives to speed up bad behavior.
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Old 12-11-2019, 04:53 PM   #253
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What we need is a repeal of the 17 amendment. US Senators should be selected/appointed by the States legislatures, as originally intended.

And, a state electoral college while we're at it.
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Old 12-11-2019, 05:10 PM   #254
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With a term limit, the officeholder has no check and balance against bad behavior beginning one day after their last election.

The system is either corrupting otherwise honest people going in or attracting corrupt people to run for office (likely both).

Having shorter terms doesn't change the garbage-in-garbage-out problem. We need a better class of politicians going in to office, not simply more of them within a given time frame that a term-limited system would create.

Term limits just give incentives to speed up bad behavior.
I totally disagree. I think most people go into politics because they want to make a positive change for their community, state, country, etc... They get into the system and get corrupted over years of being around other crooks and their only incentive becomes not rocking the boat and keeping this plush job. This job they have created with great pay and the best benefits. And it is almost impossible to lose your job. No matter how bad you do. The incumbent re-election rate ranges from 90-98%. You can say the voters need to do a better job, etc.... Well, that ain't gonna happen. Voters get less informed and care less every year. If we are waiting for that to save us, we are doomed. We need to get some new blood into Washington every few years. Unless you think having Pelosi, McConnel and the like running the s-show is a good thing.
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Old 12-11-2019, 05:10 PM   #255
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every elected official in the nation should be limited to two terms...that's the entire problems we are having fought now. If we had term limits for all, this would not be happening in the house. To me, the lack of term limits is what created the swamp like conditions.
agreed, but the elected officials are just the tip of the iceberg; there are LOTS of people who are appointed for as long as they want to stick with it, and who can do immense damage... just think about it... and they really don't answer to anyone.
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What we need is a repeal of the 17 amendment. US Senators should be selected/appointed by the States legislatures, as originally intended.

And, a state electoral college while we're at it.
^^^this X10000^^^
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Old 12-11-2019, 06:12 PM   #259
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I totally disagree. I think most people go into politics because they want to make a positive change for their community, state, country, etc... They get into the system and get corrupted over years of being around other crooks and their only incentive becomes not rocking the boat and keeping this plush job. This job they have created with great pay and the best benefits. And it is almost impossible to lose your job. No matter how bad you do. The incumbent re-election rate ranges from 90-98%. You can say the voters need to do a better job, etc.... Well, that ain't gonna happen. Voters get less informed and care less every year. If we are waiting for that to save us, we are doomed. We need to get some new blood into Washington every few years. Unless you think having Pelosi, McConnel and the like running the s-show is a good thing.
All valid points ^^^ Except for every Pelosi, Schiff, and Schumer you term-limit, you also term-limit the ones you like as well.

Unfortunately, getting Congress to vote in term limits is just as unlikely as getting voters to do their part in the process.

I would be in favor of an age limit instead. 75 years old is about the limit for any elected official, IMO.
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Old 12-11-2019, 06:28 PM   #260
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Shiffty is now saying that we can not have a legitimate election in 2020 if Trump is still president. Getting insane ...their ready to destroy the whole institution.
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Old 12-11-2019, 07:07 PM   #261
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Glenn Beck is actually doing a great job investigating all of this deep state stuff. WAY too deep to try to explain. This video is 2 hours long. It's worth a watch when you have time. The problem is far bigger than term limits, career politicians, and such. There really is a deep state. It's insidious and dangerous (in all kinds of ways). I hope that Trump and Barr and others really are willing to do whatever it takes to expose it and fight against it and bring down the people who are part of it. But that is a VERY tall order.

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Old 12-11-2019, 09:24 PM   #262
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Glenn Beck is actually doing a great job investigating all of this deep state stuff. WAY too deep to try to explain. This video is 2 hours long. It's worth a watch when you have time. The problem is far bigger than term limits, career politicians, and such. There really is a deep state. It's insidious and dangerous (in all kinds of ways). I hope that Trump and Barr and others really are willing to do whatever it takes to expose it and fight against it and bring down the people who are part of it. But that is a VERY tall order.

Glenn Beck Presents: The Democrats’ Hydra - YouTube
I will have plenty of time on Saturday..thanks.
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Old 12-12-2019, 12:41 AM   #263
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Just finished. all I can say is wow.
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What a @#$% show this is today
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Old 12-12-2019, 11:46 AM   #265
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I cant watch here at work, what's going on?
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Old 12-18-2019, 07:51 PM   #266
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Is anyone watching? Just more of the same so far. Just get on with it.
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Old 12-18-2019, 07:53 PM   #267
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Is anyone watching? Just more of the same so far. Just get on with it.


It will be interesting. We know how it go, but Senate should take this to Court and prove the facts out.


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Old 12-18-2019, 08:01 PM   #268
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Well they didnt like McCarthy calling the Dems socialists lol


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Old 12-18-2019, 08:01 PM   #269
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Collins and McCarthy giving the dems hell tonight.
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Shifty Schiff invoking feelings as his basis for impeachment.
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Jake Tapper named Johnson as the first impeachment and then again in 1998...wasnt about to use the name Clinton.
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Key words to listen for in the days to come from the MSM....indelible stain.
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Johnson?

Disregard....brain fart
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Showing one Repub voting for impeachment. Possible a mistake in the tally? CNN jizzing on themselves over that.
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Welp to use the words of freshman Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib on January 5 2019.....they impeached that Mother $%*#().
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I see an independent voting yea.... also one present... dem...
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Wth...I hate these liberals f****


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Old 12-18-2019, 08:53 PM   #278
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Well, the House has Impeached the President. Surprise,Surprise. So now it goes to the Senate. The Political Talking point will be “How can you Vote for an Impeached President?”

The Democrat Party has accomplished exactly what they wanted going into the 2020 Election. It’s the only Salvation they have.
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Well, the House has Impeached the President. Surprise,Surprise. So now it goes to the Senate. The Political Talking point will be How can you Vote for an Impeached President?

The Democrat Party has accomplished exactly what they wanted going into the 2020 Election. Its the only Salvation they have.
I think you are correct about the Dem play but I believe it will be fruitless. I think a lot of wrong doings by the Dems against Trump and overall corruption within the FBI are going to be exposed and made public throughout the coming year. Im not saying prison or indictments against major players but enough talking points to expose it all and combat the Dem talking point of voting for an impeached President.
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"We must not overturn an election and remove a president from office except to defend our system of government or constitutional liberties against a dire threat, and we must not do so without an overwhelming consensus of the American people.

There must never be a narrowly voted impeachment or an impeachment supported by one of our major political parties and opposed by the other, he had said before warning of dire consequences if Republicans moved on with their push."

Such an impeachment will produce a divisiveness and bitterness in our politics for years to come and will call into question the very legitimacy of our political institutions,

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Well, the House has Impeached the President. Surprise,Surprise. So now it goes to the Senate. The Political Talking point will be How can you Vote for an Impeached President? .
Well, how can I vote for an impeached President? I just check the little box next to the name that says DONALD J. TRUMP.
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I agree it will be Fruitless. The Democrat Party has done more damage to themselves than they realize. Nancy Pelosi knows as well. It’s why she didn’t want to Impeach, but did anyway.
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Well, the House has Impeached the President. Surprise,Surprise. So now it goes to the Senate. The Political Talking point will be How can you Vote for an Impeached President?

The Democrat Party has accomplished exactly what they wanted going into the 2020 Election. Its the only Salvation they have.
It will also be an impeached president can not put one more judge up for consideration......
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I agree it will be Fruitless. The Democrat Party has done more damage to themselves than they realize. Nancy Pelosi knows as well. Its why she didnt want to Impeach, but did anyway.


Very true. My die hard, life long, Democrat grandma, can not stand the Democrats now...and absolutely loves Trump


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It will also be an impeached president can not put one more judge up for consideration......
Expound further please.
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Pelosi looked and sounded like an idiot during her press conference


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Is it bad that Im a bit nervous because I seriously do not trust those POS in the Senate?



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Boogaloo in the making...
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Expound further please.
If there is anything they want stopped it would be him changing the Federal Judges around America. That is a 20 plus year job. Conservative courts shuts down their agenda for a couple of decades.
I think he is over 200 because Obama left 60ish openings for Hildabeast to fill. Saw a news clip on Sotamier having bad diabetes and might not make a couple more years. Ginsburg is not going to be around long. Trump putting 2 or 3 more conservatives on the Supreme Court stops them in their tracks for 20 years.............
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It will also be an impeached president can not put one more judge up for consideration......
The Dems will argue that and use it as an excuse to not vote to approve any nominees. At least they will have a different excuse to stonewall judge nominees going forward. The Republicans already used the nuclear option in the Senate earlier this year to get nominees through. They'll just keep doing it. And they'll use it for Supreme Court nominees next time if they have to (and they probably will have to).

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This is actually a sad day for America right , one party just decided to impeach a president because he’s not in there party and have spent all there efforts towards that and not there job ,and there is still people that will support them
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Trump is speaking in a district that he won by 30% - that elected a Democrat congressman that voted for impeachment today. The congressman was supposed to work with Trump to make everything better for the people.
Tonight DJT made sure he is a one term representative....
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They are a disgrace to all it is to be an American.
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Old 12-18-2019, 10:54 PM   #295
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Most of y'all are totally missing the point here. Thrump WON! The dems shot all thier ammo android came up short. Now the public is turning in them. Nancy set the trap and now she fell in it. If she sends the articles to the senate they will either be dismissed or an all out trial that will obliterate the dems who are out of ammo. The repubs still have all their defense witness in the pocket. Nancy knows this and knows the polls will swing wildly to the Republican side. She is considering holding the articles and not transmitting them to the senate.

Lol. Its a great day for trump folks.

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Hope youre right GG.
Still cant help but feel sad and ****** this country has been allowed to get to this point.
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Rejoice!

You're witnessing the dems derail their own 2020 election efforts.
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Hope youre right GG.
Still cant help but feel sad and ****** this country has been allowed to get to this point.
I'm right. All the dems are out of ammo. All their tiring positions exposed and their soldiers are in retreat. Trump is about to fly in there with a dozen warthogs and clean house. Of course he could just pace it out right through the election.

Dems know its coming. You could see it on nancy's face when she was talking about holding the articles.
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I'm right. All the dems are out of ammo. All their tiring positions exposed and their soldiers are in retreat. Trump is about to fly in there with a dozen warthogs and clean house. Of course he could just pace it out right through the election.

Dems know its coming. You could see it on nancy's face when she was talking about holding the articles.
I hope Barr brings the heat long and hard soon.
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The funniest thing in all this is the alarmingly large number of complete IDIOTS that are running around celebrating Trumps immediate impending departure from office not that hes impeached.

They think its over.
Hes out.
Yay!

Read numerous posts from people thinking that now he cant run in 2020 bc thats what impeachment means.

Ohhhhh the looks on their faces when.....
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