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Old 06-22-2021, 05:59 PM   #1
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Old 06-22-2021, 06:03 PM   #2
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What are these ďtrail camerasĒ of which you speak?

Seriously though, good grief.
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Old 06-22-2021, 06:50 PM   #3
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I hope that doesn’t gain momentum across the Country.
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Old 06-22-2021, 07:05 PM   #4
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I hope that doesnít gain momentum across the Country.

I could see it happening in more states like Arizona where the vast majority of land is not privately owned. I donít think itís as likely in states like Texas where the vast majority of land is private.


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It sounds like it was the checking of cards they didn’t like due to extra visits by people. Maybe they could have allowed LTE cameras, but that didn’t happen. I don’t hunt AZ but that was my first impression.
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It sounds like it was the checking of cards they didnít like due to extra visits by people. Maybe they could have allowed LTE cameras, but that didnít happen. I donít hunt AZ but that was my first impression.

We had a couple Arizona F&G guys visit the spartan booth about 3 years ago and they pretty well expressed the same reasons as stated in the article for banning cameras.


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Funny how we used to not have them and still killed game back then.

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Old 06-22-2021, 07:21 PM   #8
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These people are too stupid to talk to. IMO trail cameras are as useful as feeders. They give you the ability to make informed decisions on what’s there. Knowing this allows the hunter to harvest mature animals.
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I would just say I was using for wildlife viewing, like to see all kinds of animals and birds.

Stupid deer and elk are camera hogs so I don't get many pics that don't have an elk or deer in them
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Old 06-22-2021, 07:39 PM   #10
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I don't think it's the cameras themselves that is the issue. The problem was everyone was put them on the same waterholes and the traffic to and from was crazy. Like 30+ per waterhole. I've even heard there were people (who knew they weren't going to draw a bull tag anytime soon) essentially selling pictures of huge elk, To people who drew the area almost as a tip on where to concentrate efforts.
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I don't think it's the cameras themselves that is the issue. The problem was everyone was put them on the same waterholes and the traffic to and from was crazy. Like 30+ per waterhole. I've even heard there were people (who knew they weren't going to draw a bull tag anytime soon) essentially selling pictures of huge elk, To people who drew the area almost as a tip on where to concentrate efforts.
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These people are too stupid to talk to. IMO trail cameras are as useful as feeders. They give you the ability to make informed decisions on whatís there. Knowing this allows the hunter to harvest mature animals.
Public land/private land like comparing apples and oranges. There might be 50 cameras set up on only water source for miles and with that many cameras comes the non stop traffic to check cameras. Lots of pressure on wildlife. Managing wildlife on public land for mature animals not happening.
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Went back and read the article, is this on all land or just public?

I did not see clarification on that
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Funny how we n to not have them and still killed game back then.

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Funny how we use to sit in a deer stand for hours or days at a time and have no idea what type of deer would show up, if any.

Technology is great!



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Old 06-22-2021, 08:22 PM   #15
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For management at your lease or private land maybe. On public land, especially the wild areas for elk and mule deer, I don't think it's the same as the family farm.
While I dont like government intrusion I also see how it negatively impacts wildlife.

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Old 06-23-2021, 02:43 AM   #16
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Public land/private land like comparing apples and oranges. There might be 50 cameras set up on only water source for miles and with that many cameras comes the non stop traffic to check cameras. Lots of pressure on wildlife. Managing wildlife on public land for mature animals not happening.
I didnt think of it like that. Hmmmm
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dont want you to see illegals and the drug smuggling if you dont see it its not happening
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Old 06-23-2021, 06:27 AM   #18
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We quit using cameras at our ranch years ago. Puts the hunt back in hunting.
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Old 06-23-2021, 06:28 AM   #19
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Residents are still trying to fight it. For whatever good that’s worth?? I believe it goes into effect next year.
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Old 06-23-2021, 07:03 AM   #22
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What are these ďtrail camerasĒ of which you speak?

Seriously though, good grief.
Mine are SECURITY CAMERAS........lol
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Old 06-23-2021, 07:53 AM   #23
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Kind of like when we didn't have compound bows or expandable broadheads and fancy scopes, etc.

It's just another tool in the bag.
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Old 06-23-2021, 07:56 AM   #24
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Same here. Got tired of keeping up with them.
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Old 06-23-2021, 08:00 AM   #25
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Wouldn't bother me if it happened everywhere. Cameras make hunters lazy and take away a big part of the hunting experience. When I was younger before cameras everyone was always fired up for opening morning and had no idea what may walk out. Now, if there isn't something special on the camera its hard to get motivated to even hunt. At our lease we use them throughout the summer but take all of them up once the season starts. If you want to kill a certain animal you will have to get out and find him.
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Old 06-23-2021, 08:07 AM   #27
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Wouldn't bother me if it happened everywhere. Cameras make hunters lazy and take away a big part of the hunting experience. When I was younger before cameras everyone was always fired up for opening morning and had no idea what may walk out. Now, if there isn't something special on the camera its hard to get motivated to even hunt. At our lease we use them throughout the summer but take all of them up once the season starts. If you want to kill a certain animal you will have to get out and find him.
Copy that .
People have 0 skills anymore as far as a woodsman/hunter goes.
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Old 06-23-2021, 08:09 AM   #28
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Kind of like when we didn't have compound bows or expandable broadheads and fancy scopes, etc.



It's just another tool in the bag.
Oh we use them at our place. Not all the time. Early August we'll get them up and se what we have for target animals.
Or what time pigs are coming in.
But I don't run them all the time and don't determine anything but that from them. And if one craps out or I don't replace a card I don't worry about not having it up.
They are a good management tool if used for that. That said I've hunted elk enough to know if you arrive a few days ahead of season, put a fee cameras on water seeps, trail along chutes and funnels and find the most active ones you could have an advantage.
There are a lot more people chasing elk than ever. More people encroaching into habitats building homes and less places for them to roam.
I don't know that this makes much of a positive difference for the animals but time will tell.

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Old 06-23-2021, 08:17 AM   #29
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Banning them statewide is kind of knee jerk, but on public it makes sense. How many calls do you think they got that somebody's camera, left on public land, went missing? How many hunts do you think got ruined because bubba went to check the camera that marks "his" spot? Full disclosure, I've got cameras at my feeders. At some point it ain't hunting, it's just picking one to shoot. Now you'll actually have to put in the smallest amount of effort to scout public land? The horror...

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all for it especially on public land. Ran into several people who in CO last year who said they ran cameras all year to locate the elk herds.
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Without cellular cameras, how will you know when that 160" buck is at your feeder so you can leave work early and go shoot it.
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What if I just like to take pictures of wildlife most weekends?
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Old 06-23-2021, 09:00 AM   #33
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Same here. Got tired of keeping up with them.
same here. New guy got on this last season and put them up. He spent most of the season fixing them, working on them, to come back and tell me what we already new. In the beginning I thought we should do this. By the end I remembered why I quit.
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Drought puts even more pressure on very limited water resources.
Those limited resources end up having numerous cameras and loads of back and forth traffic.
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Wouldn't bother me if it happened everywhere. Cameras make hunters lazy and take away a big part of the hunting experience. When I was younger before cameras everyone was always fired up for opening morning and had no idea what may walk out. Now, if there isn't something special on the camera its hard to get motivated to even hunt. At our lease we use them throughout the summer but take all of them up once the season starts. If you want to kill a certain animal you will have to get out and find him.
Kind of like "pre fishing" for big red fish out of a tower boat! Gone are the days of actually fishing to find them. Now everyone jumps in the tower boat and burns for miles!
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We use them to help identify the deer we want guests to shoot. If we didn't have cameras we wouldn't know what we had to shoot until midway through the season. Our place is a little over 4 hours away. Having a few cameras us eliminates having to drive hours and hours just to figure out what deer we are going to try to hunt. Once season starts we don't really use them as much unless there's a big smart buck that is whooping us. My uncle hunted a deer for 2.5 years in our place. Had pics of him mon-thurs every week. He'd show up to hunt and the buck would no-show. One weekend he stayed through monday and walked to his blind, normally parked the truck a couple hundred yards away, sure enough the buck showed up!!! If he wouldn't of had pics of that deer he would of never known he was there....
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Exactly!!!
Feeders were illegal where I grew up and learned to hunt. Cameras were non existent


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Old 06-23-2021, 09:45 AM   #38
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LeTs BaN HuNtInG WiTh AnYtHiNg BuT TrAdItIoNaL EqUiPmEnT.

JK. its just another wedge to divide hunters.
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Good thing you use Game Cameras and not Trail Cameras.
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Old 06-23-2021, 09:59 AM   #40
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This will create new jobs. You'll pay a scout to sit and pattern animals, time of day, locations etc.
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Old 06-23-2021, 10:00 AM   #41
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Good thing you use Game Cameras and not Trail Cameras.
In related news... I've sold very few T-Mateģ mounts to AZ over the last 5 years.

And to those opposed... I get the argument for crowded public land but to make it statewide regardless of public or private is an overreach.
If you prefer to be surprised... Simple fix... Chose not to use them.
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Old 06-23-2021, 10:49 AM   #42
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what used to be the great thing about America was the FREEDOM to do things how you want. you guys that think trail cams and feeders take away from the hunting experience - great! Nobody is forcing you to use either.

by the same token, if someone else choses to use all available legal means in their efforts - just as great! Nobody should be allowed to infringe upon their right to do so, just because a few don't agree with those methods.

I get the public land issue, that sounds like it's causing unintended consequences, and making for a worse situation for everyone...even if you get drawn, it would suck to have 50 other cams there and people in and out...not going to see much there.

But on private land, folks should be allowed to manage and use the tools available. I like to know when the neighbors cattle stray onto our place, or when pigs are patterning to a feeder so i can go take care of the issue. ...in addition to knowing more about the bucks in the area each year.
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Old 06-23-2021, 10:51 AM   #43
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i live in AZ......38 years now.... now that they got our camera's ...... Fish finders.....lighted optics-rifle scopes.....range finders...... etc.....are next....... jdh in az
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Old 06-23-2021, 11:40 AM   #44
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what used to be the great thing about America was the FREEDOM to do things how you want. you guys that think trail cams and feeders take away from the hunting experience - great! Nobody is forcing you to use either.

by the same token, if someone else choses to use all available legal means in their efforts - just as great! Nobody should be allowed to infringe upon their right to do so, just because a few don't agree with those methods.

I get the public land issue, that sounds like it's causing unintended consequences, and making for a worse situation for everyone...even if you get drawn, it would suck to have 50 other cams there and people in and out...not going to see much there.

But on private land, folks should be allowed to manage and use the tools available. I like to know when the neighbors cattle stray onto our place, or when pigs are patterning to a feeder so i can go take care of the issue. ...in addition to knowing more about the bucks in the area each year.
Easy there Karen. Take a deep breath. I haven’t seen where anybody wants to regulate your cameras on private land.
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I miss the good old days of hunting where you're actually hunting. I had fun with cameras and it's fun to check them, but they got too good to the point where you know every deer that's coming out it detracts from the actual hunting. I guess hunting is a lost art these days though so maybe that's fine for some.

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No I won't.

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I don't think it's the cameras themselves that is the issue. The problem was everyone was put them on the same waterholes and the traffic to and from was crazy. Like 30+ per waterhole. I've even heard there were people (who knew they weren't going to draw a bull tag anytime soon) essentially selling pictures of huge elk, To people who drew the area almost as a tip on where to concentrate efforts.
This plus it also creates a point of contention among the people putting them out. When you've got 30 cams at a watering hole and one of them mysteriously stops taking pictures the accusations start flying. I bet they field plenty of annoying petty theft calls too where someone's camera goes missing.
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Old 06-23-2021, 12:07 PM   #46
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Easy there Karen. Take a deep breath. I havenít seen where anybody wants to regulate your cameras on private land.
Yet.
Freedoms once lost are tough to get back. It does apply to private land in AZ too.
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Public land/private land like comparing apples and oranges. There might be 50 cameras set up on only water source for miles and with that many cameras comes the non stop traffic to check cameras. Lots of pressure on wildlife. Managing wildlife on public land for mature animals not happening.
I can see this
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Interesting to me how not too many years ago, the traditional bow hunters were killing large animals with the aid of any technology, and in a lot of cases not even camo.

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Interesting to me how not too many years ago, the traditional bow hunters were killing large animals without the aid of any technology, and in a lot of cases not even camo.

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