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Old 05-20-2021, 07:47 AM   #1
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Been seein a lot on the news last couple days about an electric F-150 Ford will be introducing soon. They are sayin range per charge, towing capacity and price will be about the same as gas but have heard no figures to back that up. So, how many TBHers are getting in line to buy?
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Old 05-20-2021, 07:51 AM   #2
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When they come out with an F250 or 350 SRW in 4x4 I will take a look.
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Been seein a lot on the news last couple days about an electric F-150 Ford will be introducing soon. They are sayin range per charge, towing capacity and price will be about the same as gas but have heard no figures to back that up. So, how many TBHers are getting in line to buy?
The range is 230 miles for the standard range model, and 300 for the extended range model. Thatís not even close considering thatís with perfect driving conditions. Towing would be considerably less.
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Been seein a lot on the news last couple days about an electric F-150 Ford will be introducing soon. They are sayin range per charge, towing capacity and price will be about the same as gas but have heard no figures to back that up. So, how many TBHers are getting in line to buy?
Range on the Lightning is 300 miles with the extended battery. Range of my F150 Powerboost is 600 miles. Towing capacity is 10,000lbs in the Lightening. Towing capacity in the Powerboost is 12,700lbs. Time to fill my gas tank is 5-10 minutes. Time to recharge the Lightening from 15-100% is about 14 hours.

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Range on the Lightning is 300 miles with the extended battery. Range of my F150 Powerboost is 600 miles. Towing capacity is 10,000lbs in the Lightening. Towing capacity in the Powerboost is 14,000lbs. Time to fill my gas tank is 5-10 minutes. Time to recharge the Lightening from 15-100% is about 14 hours.
14-hrs is for the normal, every night charge to protect the life of the battery. Fast charging is available, but I think not recommended for everyday use.

It's definitely not intended to be used as a long-distance puller, but I can see the value/advantages of electric trucks for normal, everyday use & standard commutes.
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Old 05-20-2021, 08:13 AM   #6
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Range on the Lightning is 300 miles with the extended battery. Range of my F150 Powerboost is 600 miles. Towing capacity is 10,000lbs in the Lightening. Towing capacity in the Powerboost is 12,700lbs. Time to fill my gas tank is 5-10 minutes. Time to recharge the Lightening from 15-100% is about 14 hours.

Aside from not looking so futuristic, this offering from Ford doesnít hold a candle to the Tesla Cybertruck...

14,000lbs towing, and 500 miles range makes fordís forage into electric trucks seem like a dud.


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Old 05-20-2021, 08:16 AM   #7
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Aside from not looking so futuristic, this offering from Ford doesnít hold a candle to the Tesla Cybertruck...

14,000lbs towing, and 500 miles range makes fordís forage into electric trucks seem like a dud.


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I'm guessing that, given the low price point for the base model, they were targeting businesses that like to portray themselves as "green" with this truck. It's only practical for traveling short distances with light loads.
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Old 05-20-2021, 08:17 AM   #8
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Their price point will sell the trucks. Under $40,000 for standard model, plus a tax break means you can get it for right at $33,000. They will sell like hot cakes.
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Old 05-20-2021, 08:20 AM   #9
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Range on the Lightning is 300 miles with the extended battery. Range of my F150 Powerboost is 600 miles. Towing capacity is 10,000lbs in the Lightening. Towing capacity in the Powerboost is 12,700lbs. Time to fill my gas tank is 5-10 minutes. Time to recharge the Lightening from 15-100% is about 14 hours.
15% to 85% is 41 minutes. Ford also throws in the fast charger so you can install it in your home.

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Aside from not looking so futuristic, this offering from Ford doesnít hold a candle to the Tesla Cybertruck...

14,000lbs towing, and 500 miles range makes fordís forage into electric trucks seem like a dud.


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The difference is Ford is actually producing theirs. The Cybertruck will not come out as it looks now, if it comes out at all. Remember the Tesla roadster was supposed to come back out in 2018, then 2019, then 2020, now we are mid 2021, and it's still not released.
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Old 05-20-2021, 08:22 AM   #10
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I wish I was in a position. In a few years once im settled I would like to go this route. It would be awesome for pulling a large boat a short distance. The weight and torque alone will make it a better pulling vehicle
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Old 05-20-2021, 08:24 AM   #11
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I will say I am really excited for this F150 to come out. There is a happy medium between gas and electric hybridization, and it's going to produce some of the most powerful vehicles ever made. The more electric motors MFG's can get on the road, the more R&D they can do, the more the final product improves. And I am all for city folks doing the R&D the next 10 years so when it comes time for me to buy a new truck, the electric motor is perfected, and mated with a diesel generator.

I don't like that Ford used the "Lightning" name. But I get it.
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Old 05-20-2021, 08:24 AM   #12
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I would definitely try one out if they get the range I need. I believe they will be great trucks for in town or short trips.
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Old 05-20-2021, 08:30 AM   #13
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It shows a 0-60 time of 4.5 and has the Raptor of 5.5. Gonna kill the Raptor sells.
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Old 05-20-2021, 08:35 AM   #14
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It shows a 0-60 time of 4.5 and has the Raptor of 5.5. Gonna kill the Raptor sells.
The 2022 Raptor will get about a 200 horsepower boost and be at least as quick. This is from Motortrend: "The new Raptor will have the Mustang Shelby GT500's Predator 5.2-liter supercharged V-8. In the Mustang, it's rated for 760 hp and 625 lb-ft"
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Old 05-20-2021, 08:36 AM   #15
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Might want to look closer at what type of SJW BS Ford is contributing stacks of cash to.
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Old 05-20-2021, 08:45 AM   #16
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It would be a good extra vehicle or toy to have. Or for people who do not drive much other than around town to pick up the kids and groceries.

This got me looking into the cost to use super charging stations and it is not cheap or quick. Again, if you have to recharge anywhere other than home it becomes a pain.
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Old 05-20-2021, 08:49 AM   #17
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I was thinking about all these vehicles all being plugged in for all these hours every weekday,( I'm thinking 10-15 years from now) I don't think the power grid is going to like it. I would think you would be limited by some "authority" on when you could charge your vehicle to prevent taking out the grid. Basically you are going to have to get permission to even charge your car. Then, with the smart meters, rates will skyrocket during these hours because the demand will go up during the evenings and nights. each vehicle would be drawing the current almost as much as an electric furnace and if you have 2 cars well you can figure that out. During the summer with all generation being up, how could the grid handle the additional load? We know how "difficult" it is to get permits to build power plants. I see this as a trap. You have a car now that you can't charge and use when you go to work so now you will be forced onto public transportation. I don't see any real good coming from it.
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Old 05-20-2021, 08:50 AM   #18
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Their price point will sell the trucks. Under $40,000 for standard model, plus a tax break means you can get it for right at $33,000. They will sell like hot cakes.
Maybe to folks who donít need trucks. Serious truck users will take a little longer to convince. The concrete cowboys might like them.
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Old 05-20-2021, 08:50 AM   #19
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I have held off buying a new truck since 2008. I still drive and love my 2008 dodge 4x4 mega cab.

That being said, I did buy a Prius in 2013. One of the best decisions I ever made. It is a hybrid that gets 50mpg everywhere I go. If I don't need to pull a trailer or boat, I am driving the prius.

As soon as I feel comfortable that there is a comparable electric pickup that has the bugs worked out I will buy it. I am in no hurry so I hope in a couple years there will be a reliable all electric truck that has a 500 mile range. If not, hopefully they will have a hybrid pickup that will get 40 to 50mpg when not pulling.

Electric has lots of torq and is fun to drive.
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Old 05-20-2021, 08:52 AM   #20
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Tesla really needs to re-design the cyber truck and make it look like a nice truck, and not something straight out of cheap futuristic Sci fi movie. I know there's a cult following, but if the guts of this truck are actually pretty good, there missing a big chunk of the market on the goofy design.
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Old 05-20-2021, 08:53 AM   #21
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I'm really hoping Tundra steps up with a hybrid system. I give it 10 years, electric vehicles will be the norm and quick charging equivalent to filling up as gas station.
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I was thinking about all these vehicles all being plugged in for all these hours every weekday,( I'm thinking 10-15 years from now) I don't think the power grid is going to like it. I would think you would be limited by some "authority" on when you could charge your vehicle to prevent taking out the grid. Basically you are going to have to get permission to even charge your car. Then, with the smart meters, rates will skyrocket during these hours because the demand will go up during the evenings and nights. each vehicle would be drawing the current almost as much as an electric furnace and if you have 2 cars well you can figure that out. During the summer with all generation being up, how could the grid handle the additional load? We know how "difficult" it is to get permits to build power plants. I see this as a trap. You have a car now that you can't charge and use when you go to work so now you will be forced onto public transportation. I don't see any real good coming from it.
Please do not introduce clear thinking or common sense into this pipe dream. It only confuses the ďgreen is good, carbon is badĒ element.
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Old 05-20-2021, 08:57 AM   #23
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Probably never own one unless I'm forced into a corner, or the Govt. Subsides just get ridiculous. Be more likely to have a commuter car, for back and forth to work. They better be taking into consideration, the suck all these vehicles are going to have on the grid. Look what happened during the winter storm. How we going to charge all these vehicles if we can't keep the lights on, when the weather gets to the extremes.
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Are there places to charge them on the road? The range is what’s a killer for me. I can’t make it to the lease on one charge. I imagine they’ll be like golf carts in the future, people getting rid of them because they need new batteries.
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Old 05-20-2021, 09:01 AM   #25
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I will say I am really excited for this F150 to come out. There is a happy medium between gas and electric hybridization, and it's going to produce some of the most powerful vehicles ever made. The more electric motors MFG's can get on the road, the more R&D they can do, the more the final product improves. And I am all for city folks doing the R&D the next 10 years so when it comes time for me to buy a new truck, the electric motor is perfected, and mated with a diesel generator.

I don't like that Ford used the "Lightning" name. But I get it.
Forgive my ignorance on how a Hybrid works.... but, are you saying the truck would have an internal combustion engine and an electric engine? Just, a much much more efficient system 10 years down the road from now after a lot more tweaking to the system? I like the sound of that better than electric only and very limited mileage.
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I'm about as resistant to change as anyone you'll find, but remember many people fought to keep using whale oil and horses.
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Old 05-20-2021, 09:07 AM   #27
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Looks like a cool truck but to me there are a few big unanswered questions..

I’m with E.Tx.Bowhunter. What are they going to do in California when everyone gets home and plugs in their electric vehicles? They already have blackouts when people get home and turn on their AC..

Realistically how much is this going to increase you electric bill every month??

How much are new batteries and how do you go about disposing the old worn out ones ?
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Old 05-20-2021, 09:11 AM   #28
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Their price point will sell the trucks. Under $40,000 for standard model, plus a tax break means you can get it for right at $33,000. They will sell like hot cakes.
Wonder if the current pricing on new trucks is by design to make us think 33k is a steal.
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Old 05-20-2021, 09:12 AM   #29
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no one has mentioned the power your whole house from the Truck on board generator, they were very vague, they did mention that one could use it for 3 days ,
( referring to the Snowmagidon ) they showed powering power tools, saws all looks cool, but is this something that will need to charge every stop one makes, or drive it all week then charge it?
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My wife has a hybrid car currently and loves it. Gas mileage is great and it has some get up and go due to gas. It automatically switches back and forth depending on what kind of power is needed.
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I was thinking about all these vehicles all being plugged in for all these hours every weekday,( I'm thinking 10-15 years from now) I don't think the power grid is going to like it. I would think you would be limited by some "authority" on when you could charge your vehicle to prevent taking out the grid. Basically you are going to have to get permission to even charge your car. Then, with the smart meters, rates will skyrocket during these hours because the demand will go up during the evenings and nights. each vehicle would be drawing the current almost as much as an electric furnace and if you have 2 cars well you can figure that out. During the summer with all generation being up, how could the grid handle the additional load? We know how "difficult" it is to get permits to build power plants. I see this as a trap. You have a car now that you can't charge and use when you go to work so now you will be forced onto public transportation. I don't see any real good coming from it.
Going to be a lot of folks late for work when the rolling blackouts only gets them a 1/4 charge. Since the rapid chargers require a 70 amp service, you can always buy a 18,000 watt generator to charge your vehicle, burn 40 gallons of gasoline to charge your pickup up to the equivalent of a 15 gallon drive. Imagine a suburban neighborhood where every house has an additional 70 amp load on the main power line. Be melting the feeders and switchgear, couple of months for parts, but at least that neighborhood won't be using power for that period.
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Old 05-20-2021, 09:20 AM   #32
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I will get EV one day, it’s the future for sure
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Old 05-20-2021, 09:27 AM   #33
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I picture people riding around with a Honda 2000 Generator in the bed of their truck to charge as they go.
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I'm about as resistant to change as anyone you'll find, but remember many people fought to keep using whale oil and horses.
The difference is petroleum and cars have a clear advantage in cost and ease of use over whales and horses. That, and world governments weren't talking about banning horses as an "incentive" to drive cars. Sure, if you are the specific use case where you just drive to work and can charge in your garage overnight, electric is a great choice. Wanna go on a long trip, better plan your stops to find a charger every 300 miles and wait, less if you actually tow/haul anything. Of course if all you care about is "it has instant torque and goes fast" then yeah, electric has an advantage. Real world though, neither the cars or the power grid are ready for prime time.
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Are there places to charge them on the road? The range is whatís a killer for me. I canít make it to the lease on one charge. I imagine theyíll be like golf carts in the future, people getting rid of them because they need new batteries.
Yes- what is the realistic life of the battery? I know our golf cart is on set 3 of batts at around a grand a set (I think). I also realize the battery types are different. Whatís the ecological cost to disposing of batteries? That canít be good for the environment.

I just canít comprehend how these cars cannot have their own on-board charging systems? A 5 gal talk for gas and a small inverter type genny to produce its own charging while driving.
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It's not enough range to get to our ranch and forget driving to hunt out of state. I think I will pass for now.

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I get it, I do, but what is the point of these vehicles if I can't drive cross country with it? 300-500 miles range, whoopdeedoo if I gotta sit and wait a hour or even longer for the vehicle to charge. Sooner or later you'll be stuck in the middle of no where wishing you had a gas or diesel engine that you could have filled up at that last station for 5 minutes and still be on the road. When I can drive cross country in a electric vehicle then and only then will I be sold. Hopefully that time comes sooner rather than later. There's my 2 pennies.

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Old 05-20-2021, 09:42 AM   #38
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It's probably okay, if you drive it like a commuter car. Then again, if you need a commuter car, buy a daggum commuter car! It would have made more sense to do this on the Ranger platform.


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It will spawn a whole new series of shows on Discovery and MT. They take your 5 year old EV that has no trade-in value because it requires a battery pack replacement that is > $20,000 and they'll retrofit it with a LS engine.
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Old 05-20-2021, 09:57 AM   #40
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Please do not introduce clear thinking or common sense into this pipe dream. It only confuses the ďgreen is good, carbon is badĒ element.
Well if carbon is BAD, "WE are all in trouble!! We are carbon beings."
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Old 05-20-2021, 09:58 AM   #41
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I think its awesome! Will probably own one eventually. They are the future.
I dont understand some of the comments as is if some folks think Ford had no clue this wouldnt be able to acheive the same specs as the standard 150.
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Looks like a cool truck but to me there are a few big unanswered questions..

Iím with E.Tx.Bowhunter. What are they going to do in California when everyone gets home and plugs in their electric vehicles? They already have blackouts when people get home and turn on their AC..

Realistically how much is this going to increase you electric bill every month??

How much are new batteries and how do you go about disposing the old worn out ones ?

This. Electric cars are the future, but we have LONG way to go. Lots of major infrastructure changes will have to become mainstream. Power grids, rapid charging, Lithium mining, etc. This stuff takes time and money.
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It'll be fine for folks who don't need a truck.
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Not me. I will never buy a battery powered toy truck/car
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Old 05-20-2021, 10:51 AM   #47
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I'm about as resistant to change as anyone you'll find, but remember many people fought to keep using whale oil and horses.
With the range of that new f-150 and demand on the electric grid/failed charges a horse may actually be a better option.
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Old 05-20-2021, 11:02 AM   #48
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No way in hell..... You'll have to add a day or two to your trips just for charging.



Maybe for your grocery getters or soccer mom taxi services..
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Old 05-20-2021, 11:15 AM   #49
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Great deal if you want a toy to play with. If you want a real truk, don’t do it.
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Old 05-20-2021, 11:20 AM   #50
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Forgive my ignorance on how a Hybrid works.... but, are you saying the truck would have an internal combustion engine and an electric engine? Just, a much much more efficient system 10 years down the road from now after a lot more tweaking to the system? I like the sound of that better than electric only and very limited mileage.
The place to look when you want to see where a car a person like myself can afford in 10 years is to look at what companies like McLaren, Porsche, Ferarri, etc... are building today. The tech they build today takes about 10-15 years to get into vehicles for the masses. In another couple years, we will start seeing this set up in Mercedes, and BMW. Then it's just a matter of time until everyone has it. I recall in 2002 a Mercedes with a back up camera. I don't remember if it was a concept or a real car. I thought that was crazy. 2016 I think backup cameras became required by law, and every car had them.

So what engine/motor tech are these companies cars running today? A gas engine attached to an electric generator/motor, and they are capable of running on electric only, or a combination of both. Think of locomotives. They use a giant diesel generator to power electric motors. That is what will come to trucks before long. And that is what I am waiting for.

100% electric is not the answer until battery tech improves massively. And we are 50 years out from any big improvements on battery technology.
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