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Old 07-29-2020, 09:27 PM   #1
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Anyone else sign up for the life membership this year and receive the wrong gun, and definitely not the gun CCA advertised??

This is what they advertised:
They advertised a Vanguard Wilderness as best I can tell. They sent out a Vanguard Select, totally different gun.


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Iíve already emailed those in charge of this, just disappointing that they advertised an $1,100 gun and sent out a $549 gun.


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Old 07-29-2020, 09:43 PM   #2
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Does it have a muzzle break? The add specifically says it will have a muzzle break, and the website pictures of the select do not have one.

The one from the add, definitely looks like a superior rifle. But they are not specific with the model of the gun. If the one they shipped has a break, then they “Technically” delivered what they promised. But I would be seriously disappointed, if I were in your shoes. I almost jumped on this deal, and right now, I’m pretty glad I didn’t.
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Old 07-29-2020, 09:44 PM   #3
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Old 07-29-2020, 09:46 PM   #4
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Man I would be hot about that! I thought about doing this myself and glad I didn't after seeing this. Is the rifle they sent you even a 257? Hopefully this was just a shipping mix up and they get you taken care of.
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Old 07-29-2020, 09:54 PM   #5
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It is threaded, but no muzzle break, and itís a .257. Iím sure thatís what they will say, itís what they advertised by the wording, but definitely not the picture they advertised.


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It also advertises $1100 MRSP
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Old 07-29-2020, 10:01 PM   #7
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It is threaded, but no muzzle break, and itís a .257. Iím sure thatís what they will say, itís what they advertised by the wording, but definitely not the picture they advertised.


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They also listed the MSRP that does not appear to match unless stamping CCA on it adds $550.

Definitely not the same organization as the founders started.
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Old 07-29-2020, 10:03 PM   #8
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That's not gonna go over well. Curious to see what they say about it.

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Old 07-29-2020, 10:14 PM   #9
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My wife and I became life members a few years back and we received matching Henry Golden Boys in .22 mag with sequential serial numbers. I like them
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Old 07-29-2020, 10:48 PM   #10
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Is there fine print somewhere else? Strikes me as odd that it says ďcan receiveĒ. No bueno for sure.
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Old 07-30-2020, 01:37 AM   #11
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Stopped giving to them when they became CCA.
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Hell no! I think I’d want the advertised gun or a refund.


Maybe that “limited time” part got ya.







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Old 07-30-2020, 08:04 AM   #13
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Glad I talked myself out of that one


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Old 07-30-2020, 08:17 AM   #14
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That's just a scam. Keep us posted.
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Old 07-30-2020, 08:19 AM   #15
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Sounds like CCA now. Hope they fix it for ya.
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send me a pm with your email. I'll forward you the document CCA sent me when I asked about what gun it would be. She highlighted the specific model on their sheet from weatherby and said it was for all of 2020.

Glad I talked myself out of it when covid hit
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Old 07-30-2020, 09:48 AM   #17
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Definately keep us updated, I was looking hard at that one too.
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Old 07-30-2020, 10:08 AM   #18
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Marketing 101....sucker born every minute.
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That is clearly a gun that has an MSRP half of what was advertised. Not right.
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Old 07-30-2020, 10:25 AM   #20
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CCA is a sham. I dumped them long ago.
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Old 07-30-2020, 10:39 AM   #21
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CCA is a sham. I dumped them long ago.
Do you belong to a better organization that helps Texas? I'm all ears.
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Old 07-30-2020, 10:40 AM   #22
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Stopped giving to them when they became CCA.
Same here.
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Unfortunately, the ad states "can receive" not "will receive"...

I agree this is extremely shady practice. I would be lighting them up via social, phone, email, etc...
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Old 07-30-2020, 10:44 AM   #24
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was the CCA logo on the floor plate as advertised?
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Old 07-30-2020, 10:45 AM   #25
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Do you belong to a better organization that helps Texas? I'm all ears.
I reckon not, I'm not a resident of Texas. If there is a better option I'm also all ears. But when CCA Louisiana literally either sits on their hands(red snapper debacle) and literally smites the recreational fishermen(trout limits, no stock assessment, and triple tail limits, again no studies or stock assessments) then they lost me. They also advocated for a ban on bow fishing red fish. All CCA does over here is fight to limit you from fishing.
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send me a pm with your email. I'll forward you the document CCA sent me when I asked about what gun it would be. She highlighted the specific model on their sheet from weatherby and said it was for all of 2020.

Glad I talked myself out of it when covid hit
Post it, would love to see what they said.
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Old 07-30-2020, 11:27 AM   #27
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It also advertises $1100 MRSP
They graduated from the school of used gun sales in TBH classifieds
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I reckon not, I'm not a resident of Texas. If there is a better option I'm also all ears. But when CCA Louisiana literally either sits on their hands(red snapper debacle) and literally smites the recreational fishermen(trout limits, no stock assessment, and triple tail limits, again no studies or stock assessments) then they lost me. They also advocated for a ban on bow fishing red fish. All CCA does over here is fight to limit you from fishing.
I don't agree with everything CCA does, but it does far more for the angler than anyone else and they do fight for us against commercial lobbyist.
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I reckon not, I'm not a resident of Texas. If there is a better option I'm also all ears. But when CCA Louisiana literally either sits on their hands(red snapper debacle) and literally smites the recreational fishermen(trout limits, no stock assessment, and triple tail limits, again no studies or stock assessments) then they lost me. They also advocated for a ban on bow fishing red fish. All CCA does over here is fight to limit you from fishing.
I can't stand the snap regs either but CCA is on our side in that issue. Last wednesday my wife and I were on a party boat and 34 of us limited out in 20 minutes and there were no fish under 18" and most were 10 lbs or better.
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FFL holder gave GCH the wrong gun or maybe the wrong gun was shipped from Weatherby. It was a simple mistake. CCA folks are working on it and it will be made right.

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Old 07-30-2020, 11:57 AM   #31
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Same here. They don't even advertise that deal anymore.
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Is the CCA logo on the mane plate? Not that that matters, but it was in their description.
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Old 07-30-2020, 12:04 PM   #33
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Hell no! I think I’d want the advertised gun or a refund.


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Unfortunately, the ad states "can receive" not "will receive"...

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Same here. They don't even advertise that deal anymore.
Simple mistake. OP will get the correct gun. It is not a scam, but a good deal on life membership and a very nice rifle. Weatherby is a great, family owned company and has been a great partner for CCA.

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Simple mistake. OP will get the correct gun. It is not a scam, but a good deal on life membership and a very nice rifle.
I know the CCA is a stand up organization, not perfect in everyone's eyes but every time I defend them, no one can mention a better organization. Just stop the girlie bitc&^%4.

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I don't agree with everything CCA does, but it does far more for the angler than anyone else and they do fight for us against commercial lobbyist.
Not in Louisiana it doesn't. It's restriction after restriction supported by CCA with zero evidence for said restrictions. When they dropped the trout limit from 25 to 10 even the state biologist said there was no scientific reason for the reduction. The guides fought for it so they could get off the water sooner and CCA was lock step with them. As far as the red snapper regs? CCA Louisiana made nary a peep. They didn't even show their face in Baton Rouge to represent the recreational fisherman. Perhaps things are better in Texas but CCA has screwed the pooch over here. They lost a huge portion of donors here with their antics.

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I know the CCA is a stand up organization, not perfect in everyone's eyes but every time I defend them, no one can mention a better organization. Just stop the girlie bitc&^%4.

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I know the CCA is a stand up organization, not perfect in everyone's eyes but every time I defend them, no one can mention a better organization. Just stop the bitc&^%4.

SH
I agree.

I have been a local chapter board member for four different chapters since I was in college. My father was the president of CCA Texas for six years until he passed away. I know most of the people that run CCA Texas from the executive director down, the National President of CCA, and the volunteers that run the organization. One and all, they are fisherman like many of us and just want to leave the resource better than they found it.

I understand that people disagree with some of their policies, and I don't know how things are run in other states, but they are just trying to protect the resource.
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Not in Louisiana it doesn't. It's restriction after restriction supported by CCA with zero evidence for said restrictions. When they dropped the trout limit from 25 to 10 even the state biologist said there was no scientific reason for the reduction. The guides fought for it so they could get off the water sooner and CCA was lock step with them. As far as the red snapper regs? CCA Louisiana made nary a peep. They didn't even show their face in Baton Rouge to represent the recreational fisherman. Perhaps things are better in Texas but CCA has screwed the pooch over here. They lost a huge portion of donors here with their antics.
https://www.wlf.louisiana.gov/page/spotted-seatrout

Louisiana trout are on the decline.
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Louisiana trout are on the decline.
The change I discussed occurred many years ago and I use it as an example of CCA Louisiana's ineptitude. The decline in trout is directly attributed to allowing the oystermen to use dredges again destroying the reefs in our local lakes. That was 1 example of many I shared. Look fellas as I said, perhaps CCA Texas has their ducks in a row. I do not know as I am not a resident. All I can speak for is CCA Louisiana and I will not donate my hard earned money to have my outdoor activities limited for no good reason. IE, biological and stock assessment studies. The triple tail limits were basically due to one guy on the state commission that saw a pic of a bunch of triple tail on the deck of someone's boat. They sited some non-peer reviewed study out of Mississippi and did zero research and zero stock assessments in our state. I'm glad you fellas are happy with CCA Texas, but I and hundreds like me are done with em over here.
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The change I discussed occurred many years ago and I use it as an example of CCA Louisiana's ineptitude. The decline in trout is directly attributed to allowing the oystermen to use dredges again destroying the reefs in our local lakes. That was 1 example of many I shared. Look fellas as I said, perhaps CCA Texas has their ducks in a row. I do not know as I am not a resident. All I can speak for is CCA Louisiana and I will not donate my hard earned money to have my outdoor activities limited for no good reason. IE, biological and stock assessment studies. The triple tail limits were basically due to one guy on the state commission that saw a pic of a bunch of triple tail on the deck of someone's boat. They sited some non-peer reviewed study out of Mississippi and did zero research and zero stock assessments in our state. I'm glad you fellas are happy with CCA Texas, but I and hundreds like me are done with em over here.
Oyster dredges are a big problem. Is oyster farming legal in Louisiana? It recently became legal here and I hope that might help take the pressure off of the oysters in Texas. Reefs in Galveston bay were decimated by Ike and Rita and by oyster dredges in many other bay systems.

I was listening to a podcast with a guide from Big Lake and he mentioned something about dredging being a problem for reefs and trout populations there.
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Oyster dredges are a big problem. Is oyster farming legal in Louisiana? It recently became legal here and I hope that might help take the pressure off of the oysters in Texas. Reefs in Galveston bay were decimated by Ike and Rita and by oyster dredges in many other bay systems.

I was listening to a podcast with a guide from Big Lake and he mentioned something about dredging being a problem for reefs and trout populations there.
I do have a problem with Oyster harvesting and I have spoken with a CCA rep regarding my concern and he convinced me that CCA is doing all it can, working with TPW and oyster license buyback. I would like to see a stamp for saltwater fishing to increase the funds to buyback more licenses. But, it has to have a sunset clause built in. I have no knowledge anything Louisana.

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Simple mistake. OP will get the correct gun. It is not a scam, but a good deal on life membership and a very nice rifle. Weatherby is a great, family owned company and has been a great partner for CCA.
Hopefully the simple mistake only happened this one time.
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I do have a problem with Oyster harvesting and I have spoken with a CCA rep regarding my concern and he convinced me that CCA is doing all it can, working with TPW and oyster license buyback. I would like to see a stamp for saltwater fishing to increase the funds to buyback more licenses. But, it has to have a sunset clause built in. I have no knowledge anything Louisana.

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I don't think funding is the issue. The license holder has to want to sell it. I know shrimp license buyback was fully funded something like 10 years ago, so I doubt that money is the issue.
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Hopefully the simple mistake only happened this one time.
It was the first time this happened.
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Good to hear.
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I don't think funding is the issue. The license holder has to want to sell it. I know shrimp license buyback was fully funded something like 10 years ago, so I doubt that money is the issue.
Well, two things come to mind. First, GWs need to enforce the laws regarding Oysters (it makes big news when they do cause they don't do it enough) and second, everyone has a price. Just gotta make it higher and they'll sell.

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Well, two things come to mind. First, GWs need to enforce the laws regarding Oysters (it makes big news when they do cause they don't do it enough) and second, everyone has a price. Just gotta make it higher and they'll sell.

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People make a living on the water and they have a right to. How much money does it take to buy someone out of his livelihood when they likely do not have another choice?

Hopefully, when TPWD has the oyster mariculture regulations in place that gives oystermen another avenue for making a living and oyster license buybacks pick up.

I don't think GW's are looking the other way. There are only so many of them patrolling an enormous area.
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Post it, would love to see what they said.
I'll email it to whoever wants it but it's a big file to attach to a thread.

I like CCA and used to work with the on a national level with my last company. Had I not been furloughed earlier this year I would have renewed with the life membership to take advantage of the offer vs just my annual membership. No conservation group is going to make everyone happy but I do feel like they try to balance creating opportunity for recreational fishing and sustainability. I don't think they're at the level of Bonefish and Tapron Trust but they do good
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Oyster dredges are a big problem. Is oyster farming legal in Louisiana? It recently became legal here and I hope that might help take the pressure off of the oysters in Texas. Reefs in Galveston bay were decimated by Ike and Rita and by oyster dredges in many other bay systems.

I was listening to a podcast with a guide from Big Lake and he mentioned something about dredging being a problem for reefs and trout populations there.
They stopped the dredging but it was too late. Entire long time reefs are completely gone.
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