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Old 07-05-2020, 04:40 PM   #1
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If you get a chance to watch a re-run of this race, the ending is really exciting & worth your time if you like real car races on real tracks...amazing machines.

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They are very amazing machines. Cool sport and awesome to watch.
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That was a lot of fun to watch. What a brain-fart by Hamilton! I hope Max’s team gets it figured out for the next go round. If he were in it things would be a bit different.

Its always fun when half the cars don’t make the finish line.
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The start is the best part, 90% of the time the rest of the race is boring. Unless you're watching it in person, some sight to see.
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If you get a chance to watch a re-run of this race, the ending is really exciting & worth your time if you like real car races on real tracks...amazing machines.

Was on ESPN2

I was glad it was back! I was sad verstappen had engine failure last year's Austrian was an amazing finish between him and Lecler. It was a crazy finish with Hamilton getting that +5. I didn't agree with it.


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I disagree...I think Hamilton cut him off & was behind before the corner to allow him the room. I'm an enthusiast & not a F1 expert on the rules but the commentators seemed to think it was legit for the deduct??
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Hamilton can race a bit 'dirty'; he EARNED that penalty by intentionally hitting Albon who was clearly passing him.
Surprised to hear that Bottas got divorced from the Olympic swimmer !
Ferrari looks to be way off compared to the other teams.
Yes, I think we need Verstappen to give the Mercedes a run otherwise........
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I disagree...I think Hamilton cut him off & was behind before the corner to allow him the room. I'm an enthusiast & not a F1 expert on the rules but the commentators seemed to think it was legit for the deduct??

On the replay I thought he had enough room. But like you I'm not an expert


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Well, I'm no fan of Ham...so there's also that.
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Well, I'm no fan of Ham...so there's also that.

Hahahaha I'm a fan of Verstappen personally. It was a great race I think what 9 people didn't finish?


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Hahahaha I'm a fan of Verstappen personally. It was a great race I think what 9 people didn't finish?


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Thats right, 11 out of 20 finished. Messy race but made for good watching!
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Old 07-06-2020, 12:06 AM   #12
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it was better than normal race, I have a feeling they are going to be crazy races for F1 this year with the shortened season, the have to have minimum of 8 races for it to be an official season per FIA rules, right now they have an 8 race european season, any additonal races added is pure speculation at this point. Nascar race was pretty good today too, Indycar race saturday was a snoozer unfortunatley and thats my favorite series of the three.
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Was Jean Girard in the race?
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If you get a chance to watch a re-run of this race, the ending is really exciting & worth your time if you like real car races on real tracks...amazing machines.

Was on ESPN2
100% agree been a fan for years
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Yes, the last 10-12 laps made the race. I also thought Hamilton didn’t give him enough room, and the penalty was earned.

I was also pleasantly surprised by Mclaren. Norris has a great race. And the second place for Leclerc was surprising, considering Ferrari struggling all weekend.


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I'm not an F1 fan, but I caught that replay last night and it was pretty good.

It cracked me up watching all those rich old dudes standing around the monitor screens, looking at all that high tech telemetry, and systems data, and formulating high level plans... Then you have the driver holding a wheel full of buttons, controls, and data, in what amounts to a fighter jet without wings........and all of a sudden Raikonnen's (may have been someone else) right front tire just falls the hell OFF!

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The start is the best part, 90% of the time the rest of the race is boring. Unless you're watching it in person, some sight to see.
Respectfully disagree that 90% of the race is boring. These are unrestricted racing machines on a road course. There is always something to watch at every corner. the pure sound of the engines at a straightaway is incredible! It beats the heck out of nascrap with the restriction plate racing making left turns for 500 miles.
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I'm not an F1 fan, but I caught that replay last night and it was pretty good.

It cracked me up watching all those rich old dudes standing around the monitor screens, looking at all that high tech telemetry, and systems data, and formulating high level plans... Then you have the driver holding a wheel full of buttons, controls, and data, in what amounts to a fighter jet without wings........and all of a sudden Raikonnen's (may have been someone else) right front tire just falls the hell OFF!
When I started following F1 many years ago, I would think the same thing... How much do they spend on these cars, and a wheel nut breaks, taking them out of the race?!?!? Then you realize, what may have started life as a wheel nut, a team of engineers then takes and tried to make it as light as possible, etc. It makes more sense why there are failures, especially at the speeds & G forces the machinery endures.

And the Mercedes team was about to “turn down” their engines right at the half-way point of the race. What I didn’t understand was Mercedes strategy at the end... When they realized Hamilton got the 5 second penalty, why not have Hamilton pass Bottas and try to make up the time? Bottas still would have won, but MB would have gotten a 1-2 instead of 1-4 finish. Unless Bottas was concerned he could have gotten more than a 5 second lead out front...
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When I started following F1 many years ago, I would think the same thing... How much do they spend on these cars, and a wheel nut breaks, taking them out of the race?!?!? Then you realize, what may have started life as a wheel nut, a team of engineers then takes and tried to make it as light as possible, etc. It makes more sense why there are failures, especially at the speeds & G forces the machinery endures.

And the Mercedes team was about to “turn down” their engines right at the half-way point of the race. What I didn’t understand was Mercedes strategy at the end... When they realized Hamilton got the 5 second penalty, why not have Hamilton pass Bottas and try to make up the time? Bottas still would have won, but MB would have gotten a 1-2 instead of 1-4 finish. Unless Bottas was concerned he could have gotten more than a 5 second lead out front...

As far as I know from the call during the race they didn't wanna push that gearbox issue so staying in the pack allows Ham to stay in the draft streams maybe they didn't want him trying to make up that 5sec penalty bc even if the team said no how is he gonna resist the temptation of open track and not try and cut that time down. As competitive as these guys are they were probably trying to avoid a catastrophic failure


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Politics over winning...the main reason I never watched much F1.
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The 12,000+ rpm's & taking what appears to be rather tight turns at over 100mph is what boggles my mind...I'm trying to understand what an experience it would be to corner & handling the 5+ G's for the first time!! What I wouldn't do to take one around a track.

I would love to see some hero laps in today's F1's at Nurburgring.


I don't care if Ham was on my team...he would have to earn a pass.

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As far as I know from the call during the race they didn't wanna push that gearbox issue so staying in the pack allows Ham to stay in the draft streams maybe they didn't want him trying to make up that 5sec penalty bc even if the team said no how is he gonna resist the temptation of open track and not try and cut that time down. As competitive as these guys are they were probably trying to avoid a catastrophic failure


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Politics over winning...the main reason I never watched much F1.
I get it, but that IS part of the reason that attracts me to it. Combine it all with the latest in technology... it keeps me hooked.
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It was a great race for sure, and I'm glad it's finally back! Definitely questioned a few of Mercedes' strategy calls at the end with not getting new tires on a free pit or letting Hamilton in front of Bottas to try to preserve the 1-2 finish. The Albon incident was a bad deal for both of them. Albon was a little aggressive when a little patience, those new softs, and DRS could've made for an easy clean pass. Of course his car would've still died a couple of laps later. I was happy to see Lando get his first podium and to see the McLarens and Racing Points in the mix.
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Great race and very exciting.

Cannot stand the fact that Mercedes keeps topping the charts, but then again they outspend everyone 10-1....but parity is coming to F1
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Great race and very exciting.

Cannot stand the fact that Mercedes keeps topping the charts, but then again they outspend everyone 10-1....but parity is coming to F1
Not quite 10-1...

https://www.essentiallysports.com/wh...ne-teams-2019/
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I am a HUGE fan!
Looked at both qualifying days and were in the theater room 2 hours before race start. Heck, I get all the updates on their app daily.
Sadly, both family trips (Montreal & Monaco F1 races) being cancelled this summer. We were ready for some serious racing after all the drama of last season! We are prayerful that the Austin race happens as it has been awesome the last few years. Its cool to be in the suite with the same folks every year as they literally travel with the sport. I even got a chance to talk with Mario Andreitti last year in the suite. I saw him race in 1992 in Nazareth, PA. as he loss to Fittapaldi.....talk about incredible experience so many years ago.

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When I started following F1 many years ago, I would think the same thing... How much do they spend on these cars, and a wheel nut breaks, taking them out of the race?!?!? Then you realize, what may have started life as a wheel nut, a team of engineers then takes and tried to make it as light as possible, etc. It makes more sense why there are failures, especially at the speeds & G forces the machinery endures.

And the Mercedes team was about to “turn down” their engines right at the half-way point of the race. What I didn’t understand was Mercedes strategy at the end... When they realized Hamilton got the 5 second penalty, why not have Hamilton pass Bottas and try to make up the time? Bottas still would have won, but MB would have gotten a 1-2 instead of 1-4 finish. Unless Bottas was concerned he could have gotten more than a 5 second lead out front...
Yep, it is crazy they don't have more failures........it is crazy G forces and scary speeds! We were yelling at the screen when Toto Wolf did not give the OK for Hamilton to get open air at the end......definitely could have made up that time! Bottas ran another great race and I was happy to see him on the podium again. His future with Mercedes was up in the air for months......which was crazy!
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It was a great race for sure, and I'm glad it's finally back! Definitely questioned a few of Mercedes' strategy calls at the end with not getting new tires on a free pit or letting Hamilton in front of Bottas to try to preserve the 1-2 finish. The Albon incident was a bad deal for both of them. Albon was a little aggressive when a little patience, those new softs, and DRS could've made for an easy clean pass. Of course his car would've still died a couple of laps later. I was happy to see Lando get his first podium and to see the McLarens and Racing Points in the mix.
I am a huge Albon fan, the kid will be unstoppable with more time on the circuit. Lando was definitely a pleasant surprise and probably saved McLaren's backside with that podium placement. Ferrari is struggling mechanically & personnel wise. The sooner that Vettel moves on the sooner they will get things back in order......the brand won't stand for anything less. LeClerc is a gamer and wants to be about the team. Running the same track this weekend is going to be furious. Everybody will be comfortable and taking huge chances. Redbull gotta get the bugs out before Friday's qualifier as both cars gave out this week. Hamilton will be hard to deal with and I will never bet against him especially after the drama this weekend.
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Respectfully disagree that 90% of the race is boring. These are unrestricted racing machines on a road course. There is always something to watch at every corner. the pure sound of the engines at a straightaway is incredible! It beats the heck out of nascrap with the restriction plate racing making left turns for 500 miles.
No 90+% of the time after the start the race is over and very boring, thats why I much preferred nascar in the 90's, but F1 has gotten better the last 10 years but only with regulations that take the series closer to a spec series. And the sound... you should have heard them in the V10 era, Ferrari had a V12, even the V8's 2013 and prior screamed, the hybrids sound SUCKs but they are breaking track records.

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When I started following F1 many years ago, I would think the same thing... How much do they spend on these cars, and a wheel nut breaks, taking them out of the race?!?!? Then you realize, what may have started life as a wheel nut, a team of engineers then takes and tried to make it as light as possible, etc. It makes more sense why there are failures, especially at the speeds & G forces the machinery endures.

And the Mercedes team was about to “turn down” their engines right at the half-way point of the race. What I didn’t understand was Mercedes strategy at the end... When they realized Hamilton got the 5 second penalty, why not have Hamilton pass Bottas and try to make up the time? Bottas still would have won, but MB would have gotten a 1-2 instead of 1-4 finish. Unless Bottas was concerned he could have gotten more than a 5 second lead out front...
F1 rules have always been confusing and complicated but they are better now, the race Senna was killed in back in 1994 they had a huge wreck at the start, they actually restarted the race and let the guys who wrecked their cars go the backups, as a north american motorsports fan it was totally bizarre to me.
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F1 rules have always been confusing and complicated but they are better now, the race Senna was killed in back in 1994 they had a huge wreck at the start, they actually restarted the race and let the guys who wrecked their cars go the backups, as a north american motorsports fan it was totally bizarre to me.
I remember watching that race like it was yesterday. That entire weekend was tragic.
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You are correct, let me amend my statement - Excluding Ferrari - officially 1.78 to 3.67 times what the other teams spend.

Low man - Williams - $132 Mil

MB - $484 Mil

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So I never was an F1 fan, but the owner of my company decided he wanted to sponsor a few cars. Just so happen to be Hamilton and Bottas, the MB cars I believe. I watched part of the race just to see what all that money was spent on.
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Was they swapping paint across the finish line?
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So I never was an F1 fan, but the owner of my company decided he wanted to sponsor a few cars. Just so happen to be Hamilton and Bottas, the MB cars I believe. I watched part of the race just to see what all that money was spent on.
IWC, MV? I saw Aramco is now a title sponsor also. Lots of money still piling into F1.

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Was they swapping paint across the finish line?
Hell, if they bump wheels it takes out $1.7 million worth of plastic.
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Hell, if they bump wheels it takes out $1.7 million worth of plastic.
They say it was an exciting finish, I thought maybe they were banging doors across the line.
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INEOS. The company owner has invested in F1, a sailboat for the America’s cup, sponsored the runner to break the under 2 hour marathon, and bought the rights to the Range Rover that they just thought they were discontinuing.
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They say it was an exciting finish, I thought maybe they were banging doors across the line.
You miss the point & didn't watch did you?? I get your razzing but That is what makes open wheel F1 so much better than nascar...you have to pass with finesse at much much greater speeds at any point on the road course which takes infinite more courage than paint swapping or disaster for both cars happens vs taking out a leader. (oh wait never mind, nascar doesn't understand left & right turns)

You simply cannot compare the driving ability needed in F1 vs nc. About the only racing that is more exciting happens on 2 wheels w/ Moto GP & Isle de man tt. It's a shame, but the cream of the crop racing is across the pond & it makes nascar boring.
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INEOS. The company owner has invested in F1, a sailboat for the America’s cup, sponsored the runner to break the under 2 hour marathon, and bought the rights to the Range Rover that they just thought they were discontinuing.
Oh yea!!!! I saw that super prominent placed on the silver arrows. Yep, he went all in to get that locale.

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You miss the point & didn't watch did you?? I get your razzing but That is what makes open wheel F1 so much better than nascar...you have to pass with finesse at much much greater speeds at any point on the road course which takes infinite more courage than paint swapping or disaster for both cars happens vs taking out a leader. (oh wait never mind, nascar doesn't understand left & right turns)



You simply cannot compare the driving ability needed in F1 vs nc. About the only racing that is more exciting happens on 2 wheels w/ Moto GP & Isle de man tt. It's a shame, but the cream of the crop racing is across the pond & it makes nascar boring.
That Isle race is crazy!!! I may need to add that to the experience based bucket list of trips.

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Seems like Vettel did what he’s been doing again. I wonder about his decisions this past year and then again this race. He’s not long for this sport. It’s like he is scared.
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Old 07-07-2020, 11:30 AM   #42
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Politics over winning...the main reason I never watched much F1.
are you talking about Hamilton not going out in front to make up lost time? if so if they blow their motor they only have 1 spare I believe, cant afford a catastrophic failure on race 1 of the season ya know? if you were talking about them all kneeling before the race Ham has already come out and said that was not something he encouraged anyone to do. I could care less what they do before the race. everyone has a right to speak their mind even if their message is completely preposterous.

just curious what you meant on the politics over winning comment. there is politics in everything its impossible to avoid these days.
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Old 07-07-2020, 11:49 AM   #43
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are you talking about Hamilton not going out in front to make up lost time? if so if they blow their motor they only have 1 spare I believe, cant afford a catastrophic failure on race 1 of the season ya know? if you were talking about them all kneeling before the race Ham has already come out and said that was not something he encouraged anyone to do. I could care less what they do before the race. everyone has a right to speak their mind even if their message is completely preposterous.

just curious what you meant on the politics over winning comment. there is politics in everything its impossible to avoid these days.
Well, it wasn't about a planted fake noose in a garage...nascar owns racing politics these days. I have a feeling they are going to lose more fans if they just don't get back to racing, which what folks want to see.
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are you talking about Hamilton not going out in front to make up lost time? if so if they blow their motor they only have 1 spare I believe, cant afford a catastrophic failure on race 1 of the season ya know? if you were talking about them all kneeling before the race Ham has already come out and said that was not something he encouraged anyone to do. I could care less what they do before the race. everyone has a right to speak their mind even if their message is completely preposterous.

just curious what you meant on the politics over winning comment. there is politics in everything its impossible to avoid these days.
A lot of people don’t understand the engine restrictions (the number allowed per year) that are in place in F1. You better not blow an engine!!
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Seems like Vettel did what he’s been doing again. I wonder about his decisions this past year and then again this race. He’s not long for this sport. It’s like he is scared.
He is moody. How he treated LeClerc those first 5 races was embarrassing to the sport and him.
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You simply cannot compare the driving ability needed in F1 vs nc. About the only racing that is more exciting happens on 2 wheels w/ Moto GP & Isle de man tt. It's a shame, but the cream of the crop racing is across the pond & it makes nascar boring.
Eh I would put Indycar on an oval second, IOM TT is definitely tops, those guys are nuts, sprint car guys on dirt have a place in their too... Nascar these days, meh too tame.

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Why do they weigh the drivers after the race? Noticed Hamilton and Verstappen stood on a scale before taking their gear off at podium. Didn’t notice if Bottas did or not.


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Why do they weigh the drivers after the race? Noticed Hamilton and Verstappen stood on a scale before taking their gear off at podium. Didn’t notice if Bottas did or not.


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I believe they weigh themselves before and after races to see how much weight they lost due to sweating and know how much to replenish them with.
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