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Old 09-25-2021, 12:11 PM   #1
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Default 10mm vs 45 ACP

After watching this video I still can't figure out why I still want me a 10mm. Maybe because I have never had one.??????????

https://youtu.be/iBkjdutVmFA

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Old 09-25-2021, 01:15 PM   #2
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Good video. Thanks for sharing. Iíll stick to good olí .45
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Old 09-25-2021, 02:51 PM   #3
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I don’t consider 10mm necessary or the best choice for self defense. To me it is more of a hunting power caliber. Generally as far as power, I think the 45 benefitted more from modern powders and projectiles than the 10mm, but the 10 benefits more from a longer barrel and heavier bullets. Also, self defense ammo is designed to achieve a specific depth of penetration, which is why 9, 40, 45, 10mm, 357sig, 357mag, 38sp all penetrate gelatin to 11-12 inches. Crank each one up to its full power and use a hard cast, a jacketed soft point, a hollow point, etc and then you’ll see wider variation in how they compare to each other.

I like the Glock 40 with the longer barrel.
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Old 09-25-2021, 02:57 PM   #4
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I don't wanna get shot with either one. If you live I bet they both hurt equally.
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Old 09-25-2021, 03:01 PM   #5
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I’m a bigger is usually better guy, but the .45 ACP is anemic compared to a 10mm if you’re talking about penetration. If you’re talking about frontal area, the .45 gains some ground IMO. Like the Rattler said, I don’t want either one pointed in my direction.
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Old 09-25-2021, 03:16 PM   #6
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Good vid. Looks like 45 for price and availability. I’ve been looking at this recently too so it was a timely post, thanks.
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Old 09-25-2021, 03:46 PM   #7
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I donít consider 10mm necessary or the best choice for self defense. To me it is more of a hunting power caliber. Generally as far as power, I think the 45 benefitted more from modern powders and projectiles than the 10mm, but the 10 benefits more from a longer barrel and heavier bullets. Also, self defense ammo is designed to achieve a specific depth of penetration, which is why 9, 40, 45, 10mm, 357sig, 357mag, 38sp all penetrate gelatin to 11-12 inches. Crank each one up to its full power and use a hard cast, a jacketed soft point, a hollow point, etc and then youíll see wider variation in how they compare to each other.

I like the Glock 40 with the longer barrel.
Very well said. Most 10mm loads arenít remotely close to its potential. Thereís not a lot of different in most factory 10mm and 45 performance wise. Hand loads or some warm Buffalo Bore or Corbon loads are another story.
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Old 09-25-2021, 06:06 PM   #8
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No doubt my 45 super handloads are hotter than standard 10mm store bought in the 185 to 230 gr bullet weights. I think where the 10mm shines is with 155 gr pills pushing 1600 fps but if I need that sort of speed and power I have my 41 rem mag that clocks around that with 265 gr gas checked bullets.
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Old 09-25-2021, 06:36 PM   #9
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I have several 45s and one 10mm. The ten with full power loads are the shiznit!! I mainly run Underwood full power 10mm in several different loads. I curently have the 150 HP, the 180 HP and the 220 gr hardcast. My 1911 loves them all. The 150 is a screamer for sure and the 180 won't stop for heavy winter coats so It's a better self defense and the 200/220 hard cast for hunting will knock a ****** in the dirt.

Now, I "need" a Glock 40 MOS...
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Old 09-25-2021, 07:38 PM   #10
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Very nice, have always been curious on the .45 vs 10mm debate... i still want a 10mm
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Old 09-26-2021, 09:01 PM   #11
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most of the more common 10mm loads have been watered down a lot. for defense or hunting the winchester silvertip at 175 gr and 1290 fps , is the real deal....myself and a buddy have killed deer, hogs, a few large dogs and all kinds of varmints, and had the good fortune to get to shoot up a car with the swat team, the 45 with anything does not match the silvertip loads,,,, with the whimpy loads it is pretty close to the 45 acp,,

i carried one on duty for about 15 years,,, i will take the 10mm with full loads over the 45 anytime,,,
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Old 09-26-2021, 11:01 PM   #12
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I am a big fan of the 10mm
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Old 09-26-2021, 11:30 PM   #13
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i just like to say 10 millimeter with a german accent .. that alone makes it my choice ! weird i think my 10mm kicks less than my 45 .. snappier but less recoil .. maybe that's just me. still got my glock 20 .. sold my glock 21 ! but i still do have a g30 .. for some reason in 45 i prefer my 1911 .. well crap i'm undecided now ..
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Old 09-27-2021, 10:15 AM   #14
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Decisions decisions. Since I roll my own for the 45, I use Starline +P brass and load +P or Super for my carry ammo. 230gr XTP with 8.0 gr Power Pistol and CCI#350 primers that give me a tad over 1000 fps out of my full size RIA 1911. I have a 22lb spring.
For target I use the cheap Berry's 230gr plated RN's over 5.1gr W231 and CCI#300 and get 800+fps. Cycles fine with the heavy spring.
The only thing is I don't own a 10mm and as for power I really don't need any more than the 45's give me so why in hail do I want one so bad?
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Old 09-29-2021, 01:51 PM   #15
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Well dangit! No 10mm this time. Found this laying in the display at Gritr this morning. Couldn't pass it up since I don't already own enough RIA 1911's.
Double stack 14+1 Tac Ultra 45. Probably run a hunnert rounds thru it tomorrow to break it in and set the sights for 25 yds. Trigger pull is really good and crisp.
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Old 09-29-2021, 06:38 PM   #16
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Man that's purty! Have one .45 and 3 10s. Like'm all!
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Old 09-29-2021, 09:55 PM   #17
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You coulda got one like this. I wish it didnít have that big, goofy mag well but otherwise itís a very surprisingly good gun.





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Old 09-29-2021, 10:03 PM   #18
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Well dangit! No 10mm this time. Found this laying in the display at Gritr this morning. Couldn't pass it up since I don't already own enough RIA 1911's.
Double stack 14+1 Tac Ultra 45. Probably run a hunnert rounds thru it tomorrow to break it in and set the sights for 25 yds. Trigger pull is really good and crisp.
what that sat you back ?
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Old 09-29-2021, 10:17 PM   #19
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There ain't no debate which is better in my book. I'm a 10mm fanboy. I haven't picked up a .45acp in years. The STI Perfect 10 just spoiled me rotten. 180 grain bullet whistling along at 1300 or so fps makes the old anemic .45 acp laughable. But I'm more in to hunting although it would probably work quite well for self defense.
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Old 09-30-2021, 08:54 AM   #20
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Im going 10mm because I already have a 45 I never shoot. Plus I handload so I can tweak the 10mm loads to my liking.
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Old 09-30-2021, 09:10 AM   #21
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.45 if you lean to the fudd side and want a classic that works. 10mm if you lean to the tacticool operator side and want a slightly hotter round that also works. Both if you can't make up your mind.
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Old 09-30-2021, 09:49 AM   #22
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Im going 10mm because I already have a 45 I never shoot. Plus I handload so I can tweak the 10mm loads to my liking.
That's why I stuck with the 45. I load my own and use Starline +P brass and load them to 45 Super. I can push 230gr balls to a tad over 1100 fps from a 5" barrel. Gets me in between the lines of regular 45 and hot 10mm.
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Old 09-30-2021, 10:02 AM   #23
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If I can ever get my hands on some .45 Super Starline brass then I can load 185gr XTP or Gold Dots close to 1400 fps. Plus P brass won't stand that pressure and the case volume is not enough anyway. Mostly I will just shoot regular 45 loads with 5.1gr of W231 under 230gr Berry's plated RN for target ammo.
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Old 09-30-2021, 10:43 AM   #24
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The biggest difference that I have experienced is that I can hit a 12” steel plate from 100 yards with the Springfield xdm 10mm using Hornady Critical Defense ammo, standing in a modified isosceles stance. But I can’t do that with my 1911 in 45 acp.
I like them both and prefer the look of the 1911 but that 10 sure fits the hand well and is a sweet shooter. Never shot the Glock in 10mm but I own a Glock and really like them.
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Old 09-30-2021, 01:57 PM   #25
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Well, 100 rounds down the pipe this morning. First mag dump got me real excited. Second mag dump was OK but I needed to slow down some. At 15 yds it started to open up some but then I ain't all that good of a pistol shot. Sights were pretty much dead on except for elevation and again that is most likely the shooter and not the gun. For an $800 auto it's well worth the coins IMO and accuracy is just like I have found with my other Rock Island guns. I ran a few 45 super loads thru it and POI was the exact same out to 15 yds.
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