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Old 11-14-2019, 04:27 PM   #851
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Here are the other bucks we are after this year to help reduce our deer numbers:
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We have history with all three of these bucks for the past 3 years.
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Old 11-15-2019, 01:42 PM   #852
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Any guesses on age for the two bucks I posted above?
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Old 11-15-2019, 01:46 PM   #853
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6/4 Both good candidates to be taken IMO
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Old 11-15-2019, 03:14 PM   #854
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Any guesses on age for the two bucks I posted above?
I think 5+ and 4. If I was in your situation I wouldnít lose any sleep shooting those two
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Old 11-15-2019, 04:17 PM   #855
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Thanks guys! We also believe those two first two bucks need to go. We have 6 bucks to shoot this year so we are trying to take the worst bucks, 3yrs +, along with 10 doe to help bring our numbers down.
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Old 11-15-2019, 06:22 PM   #856
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So have y’all identified how many known bucks y’all have? And if so do y’all have them categorized by age class?
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Old 11-16-2019, 08:42 AM   #857
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Yes, we have 37 different bucks on camera. Here is the age class breakdown with our best guesses:
1.5yrs - 6
2.5yrs - 8
3.5yrs - 8
4.5yrs - 7
5.5yrs - 4
6.5yrs + - 4
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Old 11-16-2019, 09:10 AM   #858
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That’s awesome! I’m loving this thread and how detailed y’all are! Keep it up, this thread is definitely one of my favorites on here!
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Old 11-16-2019, 12:07 PM   #859
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Thatís awesome! Iím loving this thread and how detailed yíall are! Keep it up, this thread is definitely one of my favorites on here!
Thanks! We are trying our best to improve our deer herd. It will be interesting to see what our bucks look like after a couple years of intense management with the high fence. We are hoping we will see some big improvements and grow some 160Ē+ native deer in 3 years or so. Gotta get after and start reducing this deer herd over thanksgiving. Iíll keep yíall posted on what we shoot and how things are looking out there.
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Old 11-16-2019, 12:15 PM   #860
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As long as y’all keep feeding them like you are and keep the habitat in good shape it will be exciting to see the changes over the years.
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Old 12-03-2019, 10:16 AM   #861
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We were able to shoot two of our cull bucks and 4 doe this past week/weekend. That puts us at 5 doe and 2 bucks for the year. We are hoping to shoot 2-3 more doe this weekend and 1-2 more cull bucks. Here are some pictures from the weekend:

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The wheat and clovers are growing but very slowly with the limited amount of rain we got in November. We need some rain quickly.

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This is one of our native fields. We are going to try to do a control burn this February with a burn manager to help improve our overall habitat. I'll post more as to what he recommends and pictures before and after.

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My son was able to sit in the stand and loved every minute of it.

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The deer have been hammering the alfalfa.

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Here is the 5.5yr old 8pt I shot. He dressed out at 135lbs.

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Here is the 4.5yr old 8pt my brother shot. He dressed out at 100lbs.

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This is a pretty 3.5yr old. We are excited to see what he grows into in the next 3 to 4 years.

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This is a pretty 6.5yr old that we have pictures of for several years. We are letting him go another year or so to see what he turns into.
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Old 12-03-2019, 10:30 AM   #862
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Great updates! Really like this thread great info and pictures. Keep up the great work sir
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Old 12-03-2019, 12:18 PM   #863
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Keep up the good work! Makes me happy
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Old 12-04-2019, 11:31 AM   #864
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Looking good. The deer you killed is really nice! You guys are doing all the right things. Keep it up.
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Old 12-04-2019, 09:06 PM   #865
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Thanks! We will be out there this weekend to continue to reduce our numbers. We are hoping to shoot another 4 whitetail (3 doe and 1 buck) and maybe one blackbuck doe. I'm hoping to continue to clear some cedars around some of our oaks to help reduce competition.

One thing we have noticed since high fencing our place is that our place is way more fun to hunt, especially during the rut. In the past we would be lucky to see a 3.5yr+ buck chasing around feeders because all of our nice bucks would leave our property. We saw multiple 4.5yr+ bucks during each hunt and had several good bucks getting after each other.

We are meeting with a burn manager on 12/16 to come up with a burn plan. We are hoping to conduct a burn in February 2020. I will post some information as to what the burn manager recommends for us and what the plan will be. I'll keep you posted.
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Old 12-04-2019, 09:21 PM   #866
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I like to read the updates on your place.
Looks like you have a great age class breakdown already.
How do you determine which does to shoot?
It’s my experience most people shoot the bigger ones. That seems counter productive to me.

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Old 12-05-2019, 07:49 AM   #867
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Thanks! We are trying to shoot 8 to 10 doe on our place this year. We try to shoot a couple of doe fawns and doe yearlings each year to ensure that we don’t only shoot the productive mommas. We always try to keep some older doe bc they are the ones that are the most productive.
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Old 12-05-2019, 09:23 AM   #868
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Thanks! We are trying to shoot 8 to 10 doe on our place this year. We try to shoot a couple of doe fawns and doe yearlings each year to ensure that we donít only shoot the productive mommas. We always try to keep some older doe bc they are the ones that are the most productive.
Very smart!!!
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Old 12-11-2019, 11:40 AM   #869
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We shot 4 deer this past weekend:
2 doe
1 cull buck
1 blackbuck doe

Need to go out one more time and shoot a couple more blackbuck doe and whitetail doe and we should be good for the year.
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Old 12-11-2019, 11:43 AM   #870
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Y’all are putting in the work. I can’t wait to see how this plays out in a few years; I’m guessing it will be as good or better than y’all anticipate.
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Old 12-11-2019, 01:42 PM   #871
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man this is a dream of mine!!!
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Old 12-12-2019, 04:08 PM   #872
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Here are some pictures from last weekend:

We set up some snares on our fence line where the dogs have been digging.
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Here is a picture of the 8pt my buddy shot this past weekend. He dressed out at 120lbs, which was lighter than I expected. We had him aged at 6.5/7.5yrs:
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Here are pictures of him from 2016, 2017, & 2018.
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Pretty 9 pointer doing well.
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We saw this 12pt in person this past weekend and he is really impressive.
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My new goal is to try and clear cedars around 3 to 5 oak trees each weekend I'm out there to try to help improve the oaks and allow a little more sunlight and rain to get into the soil. I'm hoping that will help.
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My dad is meeting with the burn manager on Monday and will let you know what he recommends for our property.
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Old 12-12-2019, 07:21 PM   #873
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Are y’all pulling that slash far enough away from the oaks? If not they’ll burn up during the burn
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Old 12-13-2019, 09:56 AM   #874
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I don’t think they will be burning in this area as it’s super thick in cedar. Not much grass to carry a fire in this area. That’s a good idea to pull the slash away from the tree further though for future burns.
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Old 12-13-2019, 10:07 AM   #875
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I donít think they will be burning in this area as itís super thick in cedar. Not much grass to carry a fire in this area. Thatís a good idea to pull the slash away from the tree further though for future burns.
Awesome! Just double checking. Weíve learned a lot through trial and error. I just didnít want you to burn up what you were trying to save. From our experience itís best to pull any slash at least 50+ foot away, and if you have a big pile then itís best to go further. Flame lengths easily get 10í on a dried cedar and they put off a lot of heat. Even if the flames donít consume the leaves the heat is usually enough to brown out the oak limbs closest to the heat.
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Old 12-13-2019, 10:14 AM   #876
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man that 9 and 12 will be studs in 2-3 years.
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Old 12-19-2019, 01:06 PM   #877
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We met with the burn manager this week and should be getting a burn plan but here are the areas he recommended we burn in February:
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We will be burning around 40% of the property.

The burn manager asked us to move a couple of brush piles away from some cedar thickets so while we have the dozer out there we are going to have them clear all of the cedars in this 5 acre area.
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There are a bunch of live oak trees in this area (see red circles) and hope that the habitat in this area will improve after removing the cedars. We will probably broadcast a native perennial blend from Turner Seed to get some good forbs and grasses growing in the Spring. We are hoping to clear around 5 to 10 acres of cedar per year in certain areas to improve the productivity of our property.
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Old 12-19-2019, 08:39 PM   #878
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Have you considered mulching/shredding any of these areas?
Not sure what your dozer guy is charging but the additional cost of a shredder was 100% worth it for our needs.
Believe our dozer guy was $165/hour versus $225/hour for the shredder. Shredder left it looking like a park while the dozer had a ton of leftover work to do.


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Old 12-20-2019, 08:03 AM   #879
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Yes, we have used a mulcher/chipper and it worked great, especially in certain areas around oak trees. It's amazing the results we got from the cedar mulching machine - grasses came back quickly. We are going to have the same guy come out again some time but since we have to move brush piles with a dozer we wanted to find some other work for him to do since the dozer will already be out there.
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We met with the burn manager and he recommends that we hold off one more year to increase our fuel load to get a good burn. Our goal for 2020 is to get a dozer in and remove around 7 to 10 acres of cedars in certain areas and then broadcast native grasses/forbs in these areas. Here are the two areas we are going to clear. The red circles are live oaks. We are going to have the dozer clear ONLY cedars and we will hand cut the cedars around the live oaks and then lay those dead cedars that we hand cut throughout these clearings to act as grazing enclosures to help protect seedlings from being grazed.
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We filled all of our cottonseed and protein feeders this past weekend and it looks like we got around 0.35in of rain yesterday and possibly another 0.5 of rain today...fingers crossed.

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We finally got around to planting some landscaping in front of the house and planted two Mexican white oaks in front of the house:
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Here is a graph that shows the past couple of years protein and cottonseed feeding amounts per month. Starting 2020 off strong! I'm curious to see how this looks after a full year of being high fenced and whether or not we will see any big differences.
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We met with the burn manager and he recommends that we hold off one more year to increase our fuel load to get a good burn. Our goal for 2020 is to get a dozer in and remove around 7 to 10 acres of cedars in certain areas and then broadcast native grasses/forbs in these areas. Here are the two areas we are going to clear. The red circles are live oaks. We are going to have the dozer clear ONLY cedars and we will hand cut the cedars around the live oaks and then lay those dead cedars that we hand cut throughout these clearings to act as grazing enclosures to help protect seedlings from being grazed.
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We filled all of our cottonseed and protein feeders this past weekend and it looks like we got around 0.35in of rain yesterday and possibly another 0.5 of rain today...fingers crossed.

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We finally got around to planting some landscaping in front of the house and planted two Mexican white oaks in front of the house:
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Here is a graph that shows the past couple of years protein and cottonseed feeding amounts per month. Starting 2020 off strong! I'm curious to see how this looks after a full year of being high fenced and whether or not we will see any big differences.
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Love the graph. Did you just create your own pivot or is it a software program?
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Old 01-17-2020, 10:01 AM   #882
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I keep all of our feeding records in excel and populate the graph from it.
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Old 01-17-2020, 12:55 PM   #883
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We will be paying even closer attention to our feed consumption and comparing it to the past 5 years of data. It will be interesting to see if our feed consumption increases or stays about the same since high fencing our place. I would assume that it will stay around the same or maybe increase slightly since we have hammered the whitetail but we will be doing a lot of habitat work (i.e. cedar removal) so hopefully that will help in reducing consumption.

Planning on shooting 2-3 blackbuck doe next trip bc they are reproducing like crazy. We are hoping to keep around 2 males and 4 or 5 females.
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Old 01-17-2020, 02:24 PM   #884
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2-3 blackbuck doe next trip bc they are reproducing like crazy. We are hoping to keep around 2 males and 4 or 5 females.
I know NOTHING about high fences or exotics. But with only two males will you have enough genetic diversity to prevent inner breeding? Just curious.

Really like the feed graph, I will have to start doing that.
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Old 01-18-2020, 10:39 AM   #885
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Not sure about that. We were told for our acreage to put two bucks and to try to keep around 4 or 5 females.
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Old 01-18-2020, 11:13 AM   #886
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Not sure about that. We were told for our acreage to put two bucks and to try to keep around 4 or 5 females.
Yup, I wouldnít be concerned
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We made a quick trip to the ranch this week to do some work. We set up and checked our snares on the fence and caught a large male coyote and a large male bobcat...two in one day!
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We topped off the cottonseed and protein feeders. The blackbuck herd is continuing to grow. We have 4 bucks total now (2 blackbuck fawns). We are planning to shoot at least 3 females next trip to help reduce the numbers to keep around 10 to 12 total. Here are some pictures:
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Our fall food plots aren't growing very much but there is still a little green forage growing, better than nothing:
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Looking good! Please don’t introduce outside genetics, I can’t wait to see what you can do with your native herd!!
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Old 01-31-2020, 05:45 PM   #890
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I think we are going to keep it all native and keep feeding the heck out of these deer. We are just being impatient. I’m sure we can grow 160in deer but it’s going to take another 4 to 5 years of feeding, habitat management, and herd control.
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I think we are going to keep it all native and keep feeding the heck out of these deer. We are just being impatient. Iím sure we can grow 160in deer but itís going to take another 4 to 5 years of feeding, habitat management, and herd control.
Yes sir! But it sure will feel good that first time you see a 160 on camera!!
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Old 02-02-2020, 10:37 AM   #892
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I think we are going to keep it all native and keep feeding the heck out of these deer. We are just being impatient. Iím sure we can grow 160in deer but itís going to take another 4 to 5 years of feeding, habitat management, and herd control.
I think youíre going to get there faster than you think. I would say in the next 3 years you have a 160 on the ground. That young ten you posted would be my guess.
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I think youíre going to get there faster than you think. I would say in the next 3 years you have a 160 on the ground. That young ten you posted would be my guess.
I hope you're right. I think we will get there as long as we continue to feed (protein, cottonseed, corn, fall plots, etc.) and remove cedars (10-15 acres) every year to increase quality native vegetation.
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All it takes is a deer to pop one year. I had a low 40s deer in mason explode to a 164” at 5 years old. Part of me wishes I would have passed him one more year. Too late now. With your fence I wouldn’t be surprised if you break into the 80s in the next ten. People don’t give native genetics enough credit. Look at el gatos Louisiana farm. Simply amazing.
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Old 02-06-2020, 02:09 PM   #895
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Looking good! Please donít introduce outside genetics, I canít wait to see what you can do with your native herd!!
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Old 02-11-2020, 03:54 PM   #896
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It looks like we got a little rain today (around 0.15-inch) and possibly more tonight/tomorrow. Hopefully we get more soon to help fill up the new pond.
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Old 02-11-2020, 03:55 PM   #897
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It looks like we got a little rain today (around 0.15-inch) and possibly more tonight/tomorrow. Hopefully we get more soon to help fill up the new pond.
We have had that exact amount as well, a little jealous since the rest of mason Co has had quite a bit more! Hopefully we both get some good rains
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Old 02-27-2020, 08:50 AM   #898
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We went out last weekend and were able to shoot another whitetail doe and a blackbuck doe. Our whitetail harvest totals were 8 doe and 3 bucks. We hope to continue to reduce the blackbuck doe numbers through the Spring.

We were able to top off all of the cottonseed feeders and make sure everything else was in good condition. I purchased a drone to take some aerial videos and photos and I've been impressed with the quality of the pictures. Here are some pictures I took with the drone this past weekend:

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We have a dozer coming out on Monday of next week to clear some cedars. He will be clearing cedars in the red outlined area which is about 5 acres in total. He will be leaving the oaks and mesquites and using the take 20 cedars and leave 1 cedar approach so that the field isn't too bare. We are going to end up clearing a lot of long meandering strips to help provide more edge and more forage for wildlife. I will take some drone videos/pictures after we have finished the clearings.
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Old 02-27-2020, 09:26 AM   #899
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Looking Good! Be watching those native deer get BIG!!
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Old 02-27-2020, 11:27 AM   #900
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Love the new addition with the drone!
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