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Old 02-26-2021, 07:31 PM   #1
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what does it say for our speckled trout management/pressure, that freshwater lakes(oh ivie as a recent ex) are still breaking weight records and the worst freeze on the coast in 32 yrs failed to produce dead trout 12+ lbs like the freeezes of 83/89? one could even find documentation of several 15lb+ trout found in the 83 freeze. i know with the record number of anglers targeting trout, the trophy fishery will never be as good as it was in the mid 90's to 2003/2004. i really miss catching 10-15 trt every year over 27".. i'm lucky to catch 1/2 that many now, and i hope i've gotten better over the yrs.

all good things must come to an end.. so, i'll pop a top for all you guides, the real fish killers!!!
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Old 02-26-2021, 07:34 PM   #2
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I still catch 10-15 trout over 27” every year, probably double that. But I agree it isn’t close to what it used to be.

Edit: not on croaker either.
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I don’t really follow. The 83 freeze was the worst in modern history. It was colder and for longer. It would have killed more fish
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As you have gotten better over the years, so have the guides.

Those who take out 2 groups of clients a day to limit out on croakers arenít going to practice CPR like us weekend hacks.

The next few years will be interesting to say the least.
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I just hope that the pressure on the fishery is reduced. The increase in fishing pressure on the middle coast over the last 30 years is astonishing.

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Old 02-26-2021, 07:59 PM   #8
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[QUOTE=skeeterboud;15495933]what does it say for our speckled trout management/pressure, that freshwater lakes(oh ivie as a recent ex) are still breaking weight records and the worst freeze on the coast in 32 yrs failed to produce dead trout 12+ lbs like the freeezes of 83/89? one could even find documentation of several 15lb+ trout found in the 83 freeze. i know with the record number of anglers targeting trout, the trophy fishery will never be as good as it was in the mid 90's to 2003/2004. i really miss catching 10-15 trt every year over 27".. i'm lucky to catch 1/2 that many now, and i hope i've gotten better over the yrs.

all good things must come to an end.. so, i'll pop a top for all you guides, the real fish killers!!!
Youíre full of pigeon ****!
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Old 02-26-2021, 08:01 PM   #9
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Basically it all comes down to either police yourself and respect the resource or others will feel obligated to do it for you. It’s always ALWAYS the few that ruin it for the rest.
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Lol, 90% on the guides I see at the cleaning table only have 3-4 reds, a couple drum and a trout or 2. Their clients leave with a smile even after getting azz raped for $700.
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Old 02-26-2021, 08:14 PM   #11
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come on, maaannn! pony soldier

i never lived in the city.... but i have been wading emb(100%lures) 80+ days a yr starting before billy p started guiding out of an al. boat.. and before the house boat in kaine's disappeared.. don't tell me the trophy fish pop. is the same.... but you may throw croaker, dead shrimp and other kid bait!! (sorry, i could't resist)



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what does it say for our speckled trout management/pressure, that freshwater lakes(oh ivie as a recent ex) are still breaking weight records and the worst freeze on the coast in 32 yrs failed to produce dead trout 12+ lbs like the freeezes of 83/89? one could even find documentation of several 15lb+ trout found in the 83 freeze. i know with the record number of anglers targeting trout, the trophy fishery will never be as good as it was in the mid 90's to 2003/2004. i really miss catching 10-15 trt every year over 27".. i'm lucky to catch 1/2 that many now, and i hope i've gotten better over the yrs.

all good things must come to an end.. so, i'll pop a top for all you guides, the real fish killers!!!
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Old 02-26-2021, 08:24 PM   #12
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That’s the answer.yes get rid of all the guides that take other people fishing so it’ll help you out. Sounds great.
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Old 02-26-2021, 08:26 PM   #13
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Two weeks before the freeze i witnessed something horrible in south bay. We where in the channel fishing and every cast was 16-19 inch reds. A guide boat came blasting in and power poled in about 30 yards away. We had 40 fish landed under limit without a keeper. The guide boat was full and they fished for 30 minutes loaded up and took off.

I understand making a living but these guys really don't care. Pack the cooler and make their next boat payment.

I follow the fishing reports from multiple guides and all off them are down playing the fish kill.. Business as usual i guess.

My brother which is a huge fly fisherman is not going to keep a fish for over a year.

Hopefully a overall sportsmanship approach to the sport picks up speed and our waters can recover.

Personally i would like to see TPW step in and institutes a zero limit on trout.
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Old 02-26-2021, 08:35 PM   #14
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Wow. How about we all take a deep breath. The sky isn't falling. All the fish aren't dead and all the guides aren't evil. I know a lot of guides and not one of them is a bad guy, they're guys that like to fish like the rest of us. Trust me they're not in it for the money. This to shall pass

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Old 02-26-2021, 08:37 PM   #15
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I will have no problem keeping enough trout for a meal or two. If you feel you need to let them all go, that's your prerogative. Those of us that love to fish and keep a few will. Heard cca is talkin about cancelling STAR. What does that say about them if they don"t. Buncha hypocrites
Bet a bunch of those whining about wanting 0 kept, support them.
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my boat has had a 100% trt over 22" release rule for a couple of decades. i very rarely keep trt, partly b/c i love catching them, and partly a 21/22 red fried/half shell/blackened is so much better.. i don't call that 'giving back', it's taking less... i could name dozens of people who fish all the time and throw freezer burned trout out all the time... that, is a big problem... and while we are at it, hopefully txpwd will start actually showing up when they are called, and give some tickets, that a judge will in turn punish someone for a change. i too, hope txpwd helps the trout get to trophy size..
tx just wouldn't be tx w/out it
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star trnt is responsible for a LOT of dead big trt.....i hope they do cancel it
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my boat has had a 100% trt over 22" release rule for a couple of decades. i very rarely keep trt, partly b/c i love catching them, and partly a 21/22 red fried/half shell/blackened is so much better.. i don't call that 'giving back', it's taking less... i could name dozens of people who fish all the time and throw freezer burned trout out all the time... that, is a big problem... and while we are at it, hopefully txpwd will start actually showing up when they are called, and give some tickets, that a judge will in turn punish someone for a change. i too, hope txpwd helps the trout get to trophy size..
tx just wouldn't be tx w/out it

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Bruh, if you suck at fishing just admit it... them guides didn't punk your game...and if they hurt your tiny little rod there punkin... don't cry to us...

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Haha. OP would have a stroke if he fished with me. Iíll take my one over 25Ē every day I fish if I get it before I get my limit. I keep the first 5 keepers. Do you let 7 yo deer walk so someone else has a chance at them? By the time that fish is 25Ē itís lived itís life. Killing those little fish is killing tomorrowís trophy trout. Lol
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Dam sure does smell good... who wants some?

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All this talk of trout has me raring to chunk that 1st croaker!
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I say let em keep what’s legal. You do you and I’ll do me.
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Laughable!!

Reminds me of a bumper sticker

If it wasn't for duck hunters bucks, there would be no ducks.

Guides spend and donate more to the fishery than Jonny q weekend

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For everyone EXCEPT guides and their clients

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Old 02-26-2021, 10:00 PM   #26
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Humans are killing the earth. It’s literal and that simple...
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I’d like to see more tournaments like Sharkathon.
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Guides and tournaments support coastal communities. They bring in folks that eat out, stay in hotel rooms, stop and buy a cap or T shirt at the gas station and might even buy some stuff to take home.

Skeeter- when was the last time you went fishing and spent $100? I know I dont unless it is for fuel to run offshore. I dont pay for lodging, grill at the house, and even if i go bait fish offshore ive caught that in a cast net.
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Hahahaha. No. The earth will be here long after humans are gone.
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We'll Ive seen it all now....a Saltwater Karen
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Maybe if you would have let loose some of those fish in all your pictures there would be more fish. The real issue is fishing pressure. There are so many more people fishing today, and there’s nothing you can do about it. There are 3 things you need to know to be successful in saltwater, when, where and how. That information is easily and readily available now, where you used to have to figure it out on your own. Fishing pressure is increasing and people are better at catching them. Not to mention the croaker soakers.
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what does it say for our speckled trout management/pressure, that freshwater lakes(oh ivie as a recent ex) are still breaking weight records and the worst freeze on the coast in 32 yrs failed to produce dead trout 12+ lbs like the freeezes of 83/89? one could even find documentation of several 15lb+ trout found in the 83 freeze. i know with the record number of anglers targeting trout, the trophy fishery will never be as good as it was in the mid 90's to 2003/2004. i really miss catching 10-15 trt every year over 27".. i'm lucky to catch 1/2 that many now, and i hope i've gotten better over the yrs.

all good things must come to an end.. so, i'll pop a top for all you guides, the real fish killers!!!
Are those your pics? Looks like you have done more harm to the fishery than the average Joe for sure.
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Some of you would poop a brick at the limits of fish brought into the marinas in Louisiana by guide services. 25 trout and 5 reds per man happens often.
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Not me. Iím for killing them. Thatís why we have limits.
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Some of you would poop a brick at the limits of fish brought into the marinas in Louisiana by guide services. 25 trout and 5 reds per man happens often.
The two fisheries are completely different, apples and oranges.
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Maybe if you would have let loose some of those fish in all your pictures there would be more fish. The real issue is fishing pressure. There are so many more people fishing today, and thereís nothing you can do about it. There are 3 things you need to know to be successful in saltwater, when, where and how. That information is easily and readily available now, where you used to have to figure it out on your own. Fishing pressure is increasing and people are better at catching them. Not to mention the croaker soakers.
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Are those your pics? Looks like you have done more harm to the fishery than the average Joe for sure.
I think those are all guide pictures...
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I'll ask AOC what she thinks.
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I don't care what anybody does but yea it is nothing close to what it used to be.. It is what it is.. The number of fisherman and the number of shallow water boats scarring up the bay floor, running through prime fishing water day in and day out, has played a huge part in the decline.. The big fish that are not caught are HIGHLY pressured..
For you fellas that are commenting that live 5, 6, 7 hours away, and haven't lived this for 30-40 years like some of us have, let me assure you that these days it is a full blown circus down here on the coast...
Like I said it is what it is and its only going to get worse.. I'm just glad I was here to experience our coastal fishery during the early 80's when catching numerous 28"+ trout was the norm.. In 1983, before the freeze, I caught 8 trout in one day that were 28" or better, wading Cold Pass.. I knew old salties who chunked Mirror Lures in the surf that caught stringers like that on any given day when conditions were good.. Those days are long gone..

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The two fisheries are completely different, apples and oranges.
Can you imagine if they didn't have a 25 fish dink limit?

I've fished over that way a handful of times. When the guide gets pumped over a 22" trout it says something

But you'll never get a coon ace to agree with that. They will always say texas sucks and where's my hoop net?

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And this is just a 100% non-debatable fact.. We do far more damage than we do good..
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In 1983, before the freeze, I caught 8 trout in one day that were 28" or better, wading Cold Pass.. I knew old salties who chunked Mirror Lures in the surf that caught stringers like that on any given day when conditions were good.. Those days are long gone..
I caught 5 over 25 with 3 over 30 in one day. Wayyy after 1983.

There is more pressure now than then. We had a place in matagorda and spent all the summer holidays down there. You wouldn't catch me doing that now. But, it's pretty common to see the same boats running around in circles. Cause they can't fish

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Can you imagine if they didn't have a 25 fish dink limit?

I've fished over that way a handful of times. When the guide gets pumped over a 22" trout it says something

But you'll never get a coon ace to agree with that. They will always say texas sucks and where's my hoop net?

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Old 02-27-2021, 09:28 AM   #46
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Jiminy I don’t understand people trying to tell other people what to do when what they are telling them not to do is perfectly legal. With all the bad shiz going on in the word we are worried someone may keep legal fish from a legal fishing trip they paid hard earned money to go on!!!

We have had bad fish kills in the Texas bays going back centuries. We will have them for centuries going forward after we are all gone. It will take a while but it will come back just like it has before. Good Lord folks!!! Everyone needs to take a deep breath on this!
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Honestly, if you were going fishing tomorrow, where would you rather be?
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The population of Texas now is almost 30 million people. In 1990, 30 years ago the population was 17 million people.


More pressure on a resource, plain and simple.

As many trout were killed during the freeze i wonder if it would exceed the fish brought to the cleaning table over 1 season?
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The population of Texas now is almost 30 million people. In 1990, 30 years ago the population was 17 million people.


More pressure on a resource, plain and simple.

As many trout were killed during the freeze i wonder if it would exceed the fish brought to the cleaning table over 1 season?


From the amount of fishing pressure I see plus the level of fish finding electronics available these days my bet would be that the harvest numbers would beat this past freeze.. Now the freeze of 1989 was a completely different beast..
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Old 02-27-2021, 01:33 PM   #50
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Got another salty one.

Also, Louisiana inshore fishing is awful. I hate how crispy you can fry a 12" trout. I highly reccomend saving your gas money.
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