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Pope & Young
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Magnolia, TX/ Kinney& sometimes Leon
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So, as usual, my dad had a lake enlarged. But didnt rid it if all the fish. He called a fishery and they told him he needed to buy the same sized fish as we knew were in there, or the existing fish would eat them. Issue is, a 3lb bass cost $75 each.
He asked about poisoning them. They said they could do it but the issue was the poison will also kill cattle, so that is a no go. So here are my questions. 1. Do people still use roatnone (sp) to take the oxygen out of water, and is it safe for cattle? 2. Will 3lb. Bass eat 1lb bass? 3. Any other known options? They indicated that shocking them with electricity wouldn't be very effective. Fyi, pond is now about 4 acres with water flowing into and out of it. Probably somewhere between 10-14 feet deep. Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk |
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#2 | |
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Join Date: Mar 2009
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if you can close off part of the pond with nets or fencing to keep the bigger ones out and place cover for the smaller fish in that area , the probability of the "introduced fish" surviving longer and getting some size goes up,, |
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#3 |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Rockwall
Hunt In: NE Texas
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Why are we trying to rid it of all the fish? Why aren't we just feeding the current fish and letting them grow?
Maybe I'm not following as I've never enlarged a pond. |
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#4 |
Ten Point
![]() Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: SE TX, Nederland
Hunt In: Karnes County, Jim Hogg and Duval County
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Get on here...
https://forums.pondboss.com I would think as long as you stocked some minnows at the same time it would help the survival rate? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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#5 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Antonio
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Put in a bunch of shiners and perch. Lots of natural hatch bass survive with bigger bass around.
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#6 |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Katy, TX
Hunt In: Central TX, Elk in NM
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Yes people still use rotenone and its safe for cattle. What is he trying to accomplish with the lake?
Unless he is just wanting new bass genetics I see no need to stock additional bass. Bass are absolutely prolific. The spawn is coming up here in a few weeks and he will have thousands of new fry to populate the additional acreage. Yes most will be eaten but there will be plenty left over for the additional acreage. If I were him I would enjoy the low numbers of bass right now....this lets them grow bigger faster. In two years he will be wanting to remove mouths if its anything like my lake. |
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#7 |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Lubbock
Hunt In: Coleman
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Add me to the list of not understanding what he is trying to accomplish? What is the objective and how does the current population of bass impede that objective
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#8 |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Magnolia, TX/ Kinney& sometimes Leon
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I think his main goal is to increase the population and have some big f1 genetics. So a 3 pound bass will eat 1 pounders?
Would he be best off to just buy a few 3 pound f1's and a bunch of bait? I dont think the lake has much if any cover btw. But he is going to try to add some. Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk |
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#9 |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Katy, TX
Hunt In: Central TX, Elk in NM
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You won't have too many 3 pounders eating 1 lb bass. Especially if you have enough baitfish.
F1's are already hybrids (Florida x Northern) so its a one shot deal with that generation you stock....the subsequent fish they produce are watered down unlike introducing pure Florida bass. |
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Join Date: Oct 2006
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#11 |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: The Woodlands, TX
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What Charles said. Get cover and the food chain in line to start. Have you caught any bass from this lake? Are they healthy? If it hasn't been managed chances are it is overpopulated with bass already.
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#12 |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Off the shelf
Hunt In: Where ever I want
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We are not using roatnone. We have been killing as many as we can with rod and reel and will shock the rest out next week.
I’m paying $25 for 2-3 pound pure FL bass. Also getting coppernose bluegill, fathead minnows and tilapia. We have built a bunch of FADs. I’ll post some pics. |
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#13 |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Off the shelf
Hunt In: Where ever I want
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One of our designs.
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#14 |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Off the shelf
Hunt In: Where ever I want
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No. Native genetics will dominate. You have to wipe them out. Your best bet is to wipe out as many as you can and then buy 2-3 pound FL who will eat the remaining natives.
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#15 |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Johnson Co.
Hunt In: where my Elite takes me!
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Why not let mother nature take her course? Stock with bait, and I'll admit I'm no expert.
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#16 |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Off the shelf
Hunt In: Where ever I want
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If his goal is to grow 10# plus bass (which is my goal), really need those good FL genetics. Growing 10# bass is a lot like growing a 200” deer. Need genetics, food and age (and structure).
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#17 |
Eight Point
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Dallas
Hunt In: Texas
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So many questions need to be answered before being able to put together a game plan for you. So here goes... How big is the lake? How deep is the lake? What are the depth measurements across the lake by quadrant? What species of fish are in the lake? How old is the lake? That’s just a few of the questions that need to be answered. A “Fishery” is not the place to get answers. Be glad to help you. If your Dad wants to make his lake an awesome lake it’s going to take more than throwing a few fish in and hoping for the best. PM me with answers to those questions if you want.
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#18 | |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Magnolia, TX/ Kinney& sometimes Leon
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Probably biggest fish in it is about 3 pounds. Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk |
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#19 |
Ten Point
![]() Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Sugar Land
Hunt In: Leon,Madison and Zavalla
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We’ve had good luck with ours by just adding new fish in and feeding them 20 pounds of minnows 3 times a year. We ad in bluegill once a year. We take small bass and crappie out a lot as well. Fish store lost all of their Florida bass last week during the freeze. They were out of regular goat head minnows but had theses salmon looking ones In stock
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#20 |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Kingwood, TX
Hunt In: Leon County
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#21 |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Magnolia, TX/ Kinney& sometimes Leon
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#22 | |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Magnolia, TX/ Kinney& sometimes Leon
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#23 |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Magnolia, TX/ Kinney& sometimes Leon
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#24 | |
Associate Sponsor
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: SW Louisiana
Hunt In: public & pvt land
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![]() Instead of poisoning or choking the oxygen, would it be easier, cheaper, and more environmentally friendly to use electricity and pick up the floaters ? I have no clue if that’s considered “legal” on a private pond when the goal is to remove all fish. . Last edited by Cajun Blake; 02-28-2021 at 01:10 PM. |
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#25 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Montgomery, Tx
Hunt In: San Jacinto, Fayette, Leon, Real county TX
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#26 |
Eight Point
Join Date: Dec 2019
Location: Ventress La.
Hunt In: Pointe Coupee
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#27 |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Off the shelf
Hunt In: Where ever I want
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Correct. Plastic pallets.
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#28 |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Off the shelf
Hunt In: Where ever I want
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#29 | |
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Join Date: Oct 2006
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#30 |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Magnolia, TX/ Kinney& sometimes Leon
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#31 |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Penelope, TX
Hunt In: Coryell, Hill, Kimble, Navarro Counties
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I would not be too concerned about 3lb bass eating your 1lb bass.
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#32 |
Pope & Young
![]() Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Marble Falls/Burnet
Hunt In: Mills and Burnet County
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Kill it and start from scratch. Bait fish first and let them get established. Then add bass
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#33 | |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Magnolia, TX/ Kinney& sometimes Leon
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#34 |
Eight Point
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Dripping Springs
Hunt In: Blanco County
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You may want to talk to a pond management company. Doing a survey to estimate species and size of fish in the pond would answer may questions about what to do next to get closer to your desired outcome.. Crappie and bluegills/perch can get to a size where they are no longer forage for the bass and become competitors for the available baitfish. There are many questions to answer not unlike managing a ranch for optimal deer production.
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#35 |
Pope & Young
![]() Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Marble Falls/Burnet
Hunt In: Mills and Burnet County
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Roteneno won’t hurt livestock or wildlife
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#36 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Tyler
Hunt In: Cherokee Co.
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These aren't my photos (just pulled off the net), but I have seen this on the water several times.
Yes, a 3lber will eat a 1lber. |
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#37 |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Magnolia, TX/ Kinney& sometimes Leon
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#38 | |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Magnolia, TX/ Kinney& sometimes Leon
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If you or anyone has a pond consultant please send me their information. Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk |
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#39 | |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Off the shelf
Hunt In: Where ever I want
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https://www.clearwaterconsulting.com Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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#40 | |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Magnolia, TX/ Kinney& sometimes Leon
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#41 |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Off the shelf
Hunt In: Where ever I want
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#42 |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Temporary transient
Hunt In: anywhere
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Add PVC trees, artificial one piece Christmas trees, heck just cut a large cedar trees and drag in water ans weight down. Start adding baitfish and your 3lb bass will have plenty of forage.
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