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Old 11-08-2019, 10:35 AM   #1
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My son and I were drawn for a January duck hunt at Richland north. This is the one I have always hoped to draw. I went online and thought I had accepted the hunt for both of us. Unfortunately, I did not check my son's name. Richland north is a group hunt. By that I mean, they accept a set number of groups whether it is one person or four. So our (me) group had accepted so I don't think my son's permit was offered in the second draw.

I called the WMA and they said there is nothing they can do and to call the state. I called the state and tried to explain it to them but they just kept saying, no, your son's permit would be redrawn in the second draw. I told them it would not because at least one group member had accepted the draw.

So here are my options as I see them:

Do nothing and skip the hunt
Do nothing and tell my son (16) tough luck
Do nothing and just let him hunt
See if I can get the WMA to issue a standby permit
Try to figure out how far up the food chain at the state I need to go to find someone that can make a decision
Call my state Senator and Congressman and tell them I want a return on all the money I've donated

Buy the TPWD and fire everyone (Ok, this one is a joke)


We are going to Kansas for ducks and have a hunt at Alazan. He also got standby bow at Big Lake this year so he will have some hunts. Just not the primary one I was hoping for.

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Old 11-10-2019, 01:45 AM   #2
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My son and I were drawn for a January duck hunt at Richland north. This is the one I have always hoped to draw. I went online and thought I had accepted the hunt for both of us. Unfortunately, I did not check my son's name. Richland north is a group hunt. By that I mean, they accept a set number of groups whether it is one person or four. So our (me) group had accepted so I don't think my son's permit was offered in the second draw.

I called the WMA and they said there is nothing they can do and to call the state. I called the state and tried to explain it to them but they just kept saying, no, your son's permit would be redrawn in the second draw. I told them it would not because at least one group member had accepted the draw.

So here are my options as I see them:

Do nothing and skip the hunt
Do nothing and tell my son (16) tough luck
Do nothing and just let him hunt
See if I can get the WMA to issue a standby permit
Try to figure out how far up the food chain at the state I need to go to find someone that can make a decision
Call my state Senator and Congressman and tell them I want a return on all the money I've donated

Buy the TPWD and fire everyone (Ok, this one is a joke)


We are going to Kansas for ducks and have a hunt at Alazan. He also got standby bow at Big Lake this year so he will have some hunts. Just not the primary one I was hoping for.
Can't do this if you didn't check his name at time to accept permits, the permit you accepted is linked to your SSN and is non transferable, tough luck live and learn.
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Old 11-10-2019, 06:41 AM   #3
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Man I have no input what so ever, but I know how you feel. Good luck on getting it resolved
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Old 11-10-2019, 07:53 AM   #4
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Live and learn. Mistakes are made and just learn from them. I did the same with my kid at powder horn.
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Old 11-10-2019, 09:30 AM   #5
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Almost did the same thing on my dads permit this year. Do not just allow him to hunt. He would likely get caught and you don't want that on him. The standby idea might workout well. Hunted there last year and the guys that run the hunts are good guys and would likely understand the situation. I would still try and run this up the chain until you can get something figured out. Buying TPWD would be the only for sure way though. LOL E Either way I hope you can get something worked out and he gets to hunt. It is a fun one for sure.

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Old 11-10-2019, 10:38 AM   #6
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The folks up there are good folks. Might be able to get him in on a standby with a little pr.

Buying tpwd would be hard since it is already owned by a large buyers group of commissioners.
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Old 11-10-2019, 11:34 AM   #7
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Can you take him as a non hunter?
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Old 11-10-2019, 11:49 AM   #8
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Dang. Details matter. Good luck getting any government agency to listen and be reasonable.


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Old 11-10-2019, 12:30 PM   #9
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[QUOTE=GarGuy;14498623

Buying tpwd would be hard since it is already owned by a large buyers group of commissioners.[/QUOTE]

My first thought !
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Old 11-10-2019, 01:12 PM   #10
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Thanks for the input. I'm just mad at myself. We'll see what happens. I strained my mcl yesterday getting out of the tree stand. This all may be a moot point. At the e room now.
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Old 11-11-2019, 09:31 PM   #11
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Can you take him as a non hunter?
Hell no, they will laugh you out the door, if you do not have permit to be on the property during hunt times they will string you up, can't even camp. They're very strict about it.
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Old 11-12-2019, 03:14 PM   #12
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TPWD in Austin isn't very flexible about these things. A few years ago my buddy and I won a hunt and when I went to accept the permits, it showed my name and my buddy's daughter. I had used his name but his daughter's SS# on the application. (Had applied for some youth hunts as well at that time). They wouldn't change the permit to his name. Talked to several really nice folks in Austin over this but once the permit is issued OR in your case not selected, you are pretty much SOL. The hunt location's hands are generally tied as well.
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Old 11-12-2019, 06:53 PM   #13
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TPWD in Austin isn't very flexible about these things. A few years ago my buddy and I won a hunt and when I went to accept the permits, it showed my name and my buddy's daughter. I had used his name but his daughter's SS# on the application. (Had applied for some youth hunts as well at that time). They wouldn't change the permit to his name. Talked to several really nice folks in Austin over this but once the permit is issued OR in your case not selected, you are pretty much SOL. The hunt location's hands are generally tied as well.
That's my experience so far. Now I have to decide if I'm going to hunt alone or just skip it.
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Old 11-13-2019, 10:50 AM   #14
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That's my experience so far. Now I have to decide if I'm going to hunt alone or just skip it.
Yeah it sucks. I'm ultra critical now when I fill out the applications and accept the permits. I don't want to make that mistake again. In talking with TPWD during my issue, they said it happens frequently every year and that is why they don't make any "exceptions".
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Old 11-13-2019, 12:12 PM   #15
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Only real option if you and your son set out on this together you stay home to. You will have this lesson deeper engrained and learn from it. Plus your son will respect you more. Don’t go !
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Old 11-13-2019, 08:23 PM   #16
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See if they will have any standby slots. You might get lucky and someone else will no-show and you can get their spot. They might have to have you decline your single spot, then make that spot open as a standby, which you can then win as a standby applicant. If others show up as standby applicants, they might win your spot out from under you. If you win a spot this way, you'll have to pay the standby fee but at least you're hunting. You might have to combine with other standby hunters as well.
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Old 11-13-2019, 10:41 PM   #17
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See if they will have any standby slots. You might get lucky and someone else will no-show and you can get their spot. They might have to have you decline your single spot, then make that spot open as a standby, which you can then win as a standby applicant. If others show up as standby applicants, they might win your spot out from under you. If you win a spot this way, you'll have to pay the standby fee but at least you're hunting. You might have to combine with other standby hunters as well.
That's not a bad idea. We may try that. My son insists I Hunt but I really don't want to without him.
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Old 11-14-2019, 09:10 AM   #18
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See if they will have any standby slots. You might get lucky and someone else will no-show and you can get their spot. They might have to have you decline your single spot, then make that spot open as a standby, which you can then win as a standby applicant. If others show up as standby applicants, they might win your spot out from under you. If you win a spot this way, you'll have to pay the standby fee but at least you're hunting. You might have to combine with other standby hunters as well.
Just an FYI. We were drawn for this hunt last weekend. 10 standby groups for only 1 spot. They did open up 2 other spots but they were small and out of the way and biologist said they werenít holding many ducks. This is apparently a very popular hunt with standby folks.

Anyway there was a single who got drawn and had 2 buddies come as standby. Buddies didnít get drawn and site said they couldnít make an exception and just let them hunt with drawn hunter. Basically standing firm on the only drawn applicants can hunt. If u r close, may be worth trying standby though because.....

I have never seen so many ducks in my life. We all took limits. Lots of teal nd of course, shovelers but we got selective after awhile and picked up several big ducks (redhead, mallard, gadwall and pintail). Best of luck on whatever u decide.
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Old 11-14-2019, 09:28 AM   #19
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Thanks, I'm working through options. Technically the rule said you could not add or change group after the application.
I may let him try standby and if he gets drawn, hunt with me. I'm going to check with the wma and see.
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Old 11-14-2019, 10:32 AM   #20
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Thanks, I'm working through options. Technically the rule said you could not add or change group after the application.
I may let him try standby and if he gets drawn, hunt with me. I'm going to check with the wma and see.
Give Matt a call at the WMA. If he gets drawn standby, Iím sure they would let him hunt with u and just draw another group for the open spot.
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