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Old 08-23-2019, 09:18 AM   #1
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Default Suggestions on caliber and type for mean cattle?

We have some extremely aggressive cattle that have a history of hurting people. I got hurt recently while having to get the mean thing to a sale barn. It had already hurt another guy the same week and tried to knock me down earlier that same morning he was injured.

I wonít be caught off guard another time. There are no do-overs after being killed or critically injured. From now on when we have any hard to handle cattle at the sorting pens or even while on horseback, Iíll be packing some iron. There have been at least two people life flighted from the ranch because of aggressive cattle. The first guy will never be the same again. He canít work due to the injuries sustained.

Was thinking maybe a 44 mag holstered pistol would be good while sorting in pens and corrals. But on horseback Iíll also keep a rifle handy too. More than one guy here has been knocked off a horse by a cow or bull. I refuse to be caught defenseless in these type situations. Iíve been using a 45-70 rifle.

What do you guys suggest for pistol and what type ammo? I really dont want to pack a really nice pistol, because itíll surely get banged up.
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Old 08-23-2019, 09:24 AM   #2
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Old 08-23-2019, 09:27 AM   #3
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Working those crazy ones sure was entertaining in my younger years, but I wont have anything to do with them now. I like the suggestion above for sure
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Old 08-23-2019, 09:27 AM   #4
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Old 08-23-2019, 09:28 AM   #5
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Old 08-23-2019, 09:29 AM   #6
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Iíd be way more concerned about you with a pistol in the pen than I would be any **** cow. Canít say Iíve ever heard of someone shooting a cow to protect himself while working them.
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Old 08-23-2019, 09:30 AM   #7
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Seems like firing pistols while working cattle in pens is a great way to get someone shot?
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Old 08-23-2019, 09:31 AM   #8
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44 mag Ruger Blackhawk. Most any hunting ammo should work
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Old 08-23-2019, 09:34 AM   #9
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I think you have a handle on the situation. I with trail dust 10mm between the eyes should be pretty effective. I've seen a salty cow hit with a .40 s&w in the body, it didnt kill her but she stopped her **** immediately.
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Old 08-23-2019, 09:40 AM   #10
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Iíd be way more concerned about you with a pistol in the pen than I would be any **** cow. Canít say Iíve ever heard of someone shooting a cow to protect himself while working them.
You havenít worked one of the facilities where there is no way to put a boot in the fence to climb over. The spacing is too narrow to put the tow of boot in. Thatís the same spot where the one guy was seriously hurt while sorting. He was too short to jump over like I sometimes do. Youíll get a serious wake up when working cattle out here sometimes.
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Old 08-23-2019, 09:40 AM   #11
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Old 08-23-2019, 09:41 AM   #12
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You need about 6-7 mean *** cow dogs and a good cow working mule. They will solve the mean cow crap real quick. Last thing you wanna do is start shooting in and amongst other cattle and those working them. That is just stupid. and if others have been hurt by the same mean cattle that is just stupidity on y'alls part for keeping them.

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Old 08-23-2019, 09:43 AM   #13
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Seems like firing pistols while working cattle in pens is a great way to get someone shot?
Thatís with people who donít think about whatís behind a target when firing. We barely got to one guy in time when a cow got him down. Once a personís chest gets caved in by a 1,300+ pound cow, your chances of survival are slim.
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Old 08-23-2019, 09:49 AM   #14
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Probably need to ask the man that owns the cattle before you start plugging them, specially if they in a pen.

I might not want my hands shooting one of my cows just cause he says its rank. A feller might get in trouble.

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Old 08-23-2019, 09:51 AM   #15
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I got a better idea:

Start selling wild cow hunts. Once all of them are dead, go buy some tame cattle.
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Old 08-23-2019, 09:54 AM   #16
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You havenít worked one of the facilities where there is no way to put a boot in the fence to climb over. The spacing is too narrow to put the tow of boot in. Thatís the same spot where the one guy was seriously hurt while sorting. He was too short to jump over like I sometimes do. Youíll get a serious wake up when working cattle out here sometimes.
Might surprise you the conditions of the some of the pens Iíve worked cattle in. Last thing I would want is someone scared with a pistol in the pen with me. Might want to ask if there is an open spot on the squeeze chute. All the crazy crap posted on this site and this ranks right up there.
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Old 08-23-2019, 09:54 AM   #17
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Send her to the sale barn or grind her in to hamburger.
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Old 08-23-2019, 09:54 AM   #18
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Old 08-23-2019, 09:57 AM   #19
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If they have a history of hurting people already why aren’t they in a package labeled hamburger. Mean cattle go to the hands for steaks and burgers.
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Old 08-23-2019, 09:58 AM   #20
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Old 08-23-2019, 09:59 AM   #21
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You need to sell them. We had a wild bunch we bought off a huge ranch in the panhandle after the bad droughts in the mid 2000's. Those cows almost killed me and my gramps a few times. After that, we started selling them off pretty quick. Once they're wild, there's no taming them. Especially if you have more than a few that act that way. Don't put yourself in a situation where you have to shoot one. If you're in the middle of a pen trying to work them with people around, the last thing you need to is start blasting rounds off.
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Old 08-23-2019, 09:59 AM   #22
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Might surprise you the conditions of the some of the pens Iíve worked cattle in. Last thing I would want is someone scared with a pistol in the pen with me. Might want to ask if there is an open spot on the squeeze chute. All the crazy crap posted on this site and this ranks right up there.
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Old 08-23-2019, 10:01 AM   #23
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You need to sell them. We had a wild bunch we bought off a huge ranch in the panhandle after the bad droughts in the mid 2000's. Those cows almost killed me and my gramps a few times. After that, we started selling them off pretty quick. Once they're wild, there's no taming them. Especially if you have more than a few that act that way. Don't put yourself in a situation where you have to shoot one. If you're in the middle of a pen trying to work them with people around, the last thing you need to is start blasting rounds off.
one or two mean cows can turn a whole herd crazy.
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Old 08-23-2019, 10:01 AM   #24
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Interesting...
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Old 08-23-2019, 10:12 AM   #25
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Two of you rope them and choke them down, and by down I mean out. If they live do it again the next time they act crazy, either they will stop or you will kill them. No one will get shot on accident in the process.
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Old 08-23-2019, 10:18 AM   #26
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If you know which ones are mean, shoot them in the pasture and load em up.

In a pen, nothing more than a .22 to the brain

In the pasture you have the 45-70 covered
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Old 08-23-2019, 10:20 AM   #27
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Lots of things to consider if you are planing on shooting a cow while sorting or if sorting goes wrong. Safety of you, horses, other cattle, other cowboys, etc. Just sell them, even if its at loss. Can't put a price on someones life or safety while working. If they are truly wild enough to the point you have to kill them to carry on about sorting the rest, just get rid of the darned things. Don't go all Wild Bill and pack iron into the sorting pen. That is just dangerous man.
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Old 08-23-2019, 10:32 AM   #28
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Old 08-23-2019, 10:37 AM   #29
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Jesus. Gotta keep my head on a swivel watching for cows in the pens. Now I gotta worry about jethro blasting me with a hand cannon because a cow looked at him cross eyed. Work em horse back and if they wonít honor a horse, send em to town. Thatís it


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Old 08-23-2019, 10:57 AM   #30
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Buy a dart gun and some rompum. Last crazy bull I had got tranquilized. Didn’t need a pen to load him. He was real mellow after a few minutes.
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Old 08-23-2019, 10:59 AM   #31
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I'm not gonna provide any advice other than what you asked...

I think a .44 mag would be a great choice if you think a holstered side arm is the best option. A rifle is a rifle and a pistol a pistol as the saying goes. If you can draw it faster and get on target, then go with it. If you think you can carry a .45/70 and draw it just as fast, I'd go that route.
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Old 08-23-2019, 11:01 AM   #32
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I thought for sure there was going to be a punchline somewhere in there.

I agree, great thread...

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Old 08-23-2019, 11:08 AM   #33
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I have seen one get up and walk off 30 minutes later after being shot point blank between the eyes with a 45. As suggested, get rid of the wild ones as soon as possible.
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You havenít worked one of the facilities where there is no way to put a boot in the fence to climb over. The spacing is too narrow to put the tow of boot in. Thatís the same spot where the one guy was seriously hurt while sorting. He was too short to jump over like I sometimes do. Youíll get a serious wake up when working cattle out here sometimes.


I would be addressing the known workplace hazard before going in to kill someoneís cattle.

As for caliber either any of the various 45 cal or bigger would work if you put it in the head
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Are you the owner of said cows?

If not I doubt the owner would take too kindly to hired help shooting his cattle crazy or not.
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Old 08-23-2019, 11:16 AM   #36
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I've typed and deleted about 10 responses. Deleting was the key. I'm so proud of my new maturity level.
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I've typed and deleted about 10 responses. Deleting was the key. I'm so proud of my new maturity level.
Delete this one and start over.
I liked the other Curt.
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It's a legit concern. I tip the scales at over three bills and I had a bull sneak up behind me in a pen and toss me like a rag doll. Fortunately I didn't get hurt but it could have been a lot worse.
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Old 08-23-2019, 12:06 PM   #39
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I would be addressing the known workplace hazard before going in to kill someone’s cattle.

As for caliber either any of the various 45 cal or bigger would work if you put it in the head
Already done that several days ago. Of course we discussed this with the Owner. I wouldn’t want somebody shooting my cows or bulls etc without my consent either. That’s why we discussed this in person with the owner. They live out of state and are not present on scene much.

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If they have a history of hurting people already why arenít they in a package labeled hamburger. Mean cattle go to the hands for steaks and burgers.
My thoughts exactly.
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To many mild tempered cattle out there to put up with crazy ones. I agree with selling off all the crazy cattle and picking up new unless it is the breed of cattle you are working then a judge loaded with 410 slugs would be my choice.
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Old 08-23-2019, 12:31 PM   #42
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Jesus. Gotta keep my head on a swivel watching for cows in the pens. Now I gotta worry about jethro blasting me with a hand cannon because a cow looked at him cross eyed. Work em horse back and if they wonít honor a horse, send em to town. Thatís it


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Old 08-23-2019, 12:33 PM   #43
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Delete this one and start over.

I liked the other Curt.


I agree, immature Curt was cool


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Not only would I be worried about my own safety, but I'd be worried about potential liability issues due to workplace hazard. If you have a known issue, you need to take care of it.
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Old 08-23-2019, 12:36 PM   #46
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Man......wow.... All I can say is wow.
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Old 08-23-2019, 12:38 PM   #47
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[QUOTE=curtintex;14322447]I've typed and deleted about 10 responses. Deleting was the key. I'm so proud of my new maturity level.[/QUOTE

5.00 says it wonít last more than a few hours 😂
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Old 08-23-2019, 12:47 PM   #48
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If I was the owner, I think I would agree to taking the mean ones to the sale barn instead of letting them be target practice. Of course, if they have someone down that's a different story, but it probably be faster spooking that cow off than pulling out a pistol and finding a clear shot.
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Old 08-23-2019, 12:50 PM   #49
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Delete this one and start over.

I liked the other Curt.


That SOB is crazy!


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Put some good cow dogs and let them chew on it a while. After that it wont have any energy for anything else.
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