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Old 07-03-2019, 01:59 PM   #1
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Helping a buddy get prepared for a moose hunt.

The likely situation is Horseback in Montana so rifle weight probably is less of a concern.
MT Moose maybe go to 600 lbs as opposed to the 1800 pounders found farther north.
He's expecting he may need to shoot out to 500 yards (more on that later)
(if you have experience pack hunting MT you may know better than I and I'd love to hear from you.)

I can build him some good heavy/hot loads in 30.06 or .308 but I don't have dies for 300WM.

My thinking...

.300WM or 30.06 and if he's willing to wait on closer shots .308
(he does have a .270 but I would think that might be borderline too small.)

As to his skill level and "good shot placement"...
Let's just say I hope we have plenty of time to get him some practice.
I'm assuming it will be guided and he'll have a pro calling the wind for him but I really don't think he realizes just how hard a 500 yard shot is.

So with practice being essential the WM has drawbacks in the form of recoil/flinching and cost of ammo.

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Old 07-03-2019, 02:13 PM   #2
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Helping a buddy get prepared for a moose hunt.

The likely situation is Horseback in Montana so rifle weight probably is less of a concern.
MT Moose maybe go to 600 lbs as opposed to the 1800 pounders found farther north.
He's expecting he may need to shoot out to 500 yards (more on that later)
(if you have experience pack hunting MT you may know better than I and I'd love to hear from you.)

I can build him some good heavy/hot loads in 30.06 or .308 but I don't have dies for 300WM.

My thinking...

M
.300WM or 30.06 and if he's willing to wait on closer shots .308
(he does have a .270 but I would think that might be borderline too small.)

As to his skill level and "good shot placement"...
Let's just say I hope we have plenty of time to get him some practice.
I'm assuming it will be guided and he'll have a pro calling the wind for him but I really don't think he realizes just how hard a 500 yard shot is.

So with practice being essential the WM has drawbacks in the form of recoil/flinching and cost of ammo.

Popping the corn and waiting for the opinions to fly. Let'r rip!
My opinion but @ 500 yards your room for error is much smaller so I would use the most effective caliber possible.

I think if he has a 300WM, factory ammo would be fine.

That would be my choice all day, but I'm comfortable with the recoil and gun personally. Today I wouldn't be comfortable making much more than a 300 yard shot without quite a bit of range time dialing that in. So if he isnt comfortable, better get that range time in.
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Old 07-03-2019, 02:15 PM   #3
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My opinion but @ 500 yards your room for error is much smaller so I would use the most effective caliber possible.

I think if he has a 300WM, factory ammo would be fine.

That would be my choice all day, but I'm comfortable with the recoil and gun personally. Today I wouldn't be comfortable making much more than a 300 yard shot without quite a bit of range time dialing that in. So if he isnt comfortable, better get that range time in.
At least he is aware and honest about his limitations.
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Old 07-03-2019, 02:20 PM   #4
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At least he is aware and honest about his limitations.
For sure, alot of guys aren't :-)

I have a Winchester 70 in 300WM and the thing is so dang heavy it doesn't kick anymore than most .308s.

I think that the most important thing is range time with any of the choices. I'm probably biased as the WM is my go to gun now a days for hogs and long shots on whitetails. I think it's a great all around round capable of taking any game in North America. I once owned a 300 Weatherby Mag but traded it for this gun as it was mucho cheaper to shoot.
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Old 07-03-2019, 02:24 PM   #5
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Anything 270 or bigger will do the trick. As long as he can actually hit anything at 500yds.

I would put ALL my emphasis on practicing shooting at 500+ yards.

A person has NO BUSINESS shooting at an animal at that kind of yardage if they dont regularly shoot at those distances and have their D.O.P.E. figured out.
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Old 07-03-2019, 02:25 PM   #6
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Moose aren't the toughest animal out there, a 270 win or 30-06 with 165 gr or 180 gr will do nicely also
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Old 07-03-2019, 02:29 PM   #7
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Practice small , be proficient, then fine tune proficiency with a .300, .338 type , or shorten
Limited range (300yd ) and go with a .35 whelen , practice with a heavy barreled rifle, hunt with a thin barrel lighter weight rifle
I humped my same .300 wm from Mexico to the arctic circle , deer , pronghorn, elk , mule deer, caribou, moose hunting and a Colorado black bear hunt

500 yards is a un reasonable “ field conditions “ shot unless on a lifetime hunt ( sheep , or foreign country mountain hunt )

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Old 07-03-2019, 02:57 PM   #8
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If'n I was lucky enough to be Moose hunting I would sure be taking my 300WSM and my custom 338WSM. 300 yards and under I hit em with the 338WSM Long range I would use the 300wsm. I would also shoot the heaviest bullet that would fit in the magazine. I can fit 200gr barnes in the .338 and 165gr Barnes in the 300. Or-------------I could use which ever I had in my hand at the time.
30 cal or bigger. Don't be shootin no moose wit one dem girlyman calibers.
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Old 07-03-2019, 03:28 PM   #9
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What I keep reading from others here is that the Creed can do it all better than anything else
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Old 07-03-2019, 03:32 PM   #10
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270 or better will do just fine.
Moose aren't that tough and the vitals are large.
Shoulder cannons are WAY overrated when it comes to lethality. Telling people you shoot a .300 weatherby can do wonders for the ego if that sort of thing is important to you.
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Old 07-03-2019, 03:42 PM   #11
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I got mine with a 180 gr Barnes in 30-06. I would not take a 500 yard shot at any animal, but that is just me.
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Old 07-03-2019, 04:03 PM   #12
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Like said above a .270 or 7mm-08 and up will do the trick. Not the toughest animals, and a big target as far as vitals are concerned. One thing to remember is even when they are double lunged, it make take a few minutes for their lungs to deflate and he might stand there the whole time before toppling over.

Why would he be shooting at 500 yards? Moose season is during the rut so calling them in close is the name of the game with the majority of all moose killed any where are under 100 yards.
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Old 07-03-2019, 04:14 PM   #13
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300 Win Mag is always the correct answer on anything larger than varmints.
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Old 07-03-2019, 04:18 PM   #14
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What rifle does he have now?
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Old 07-03-2019, 04:18 PM   #15
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Old 07-03-2019, 04:19 PM   #16
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300 WM or 30-06 with a 180 grain bullet, I bet the moose won't know the difference. It all comes down to which one he can shoot better.
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Old 07-03-2019, 04:23 PM   #17
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What rifle does he have now?
Ruger .270
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Old 07-03-2019, 04:29 PM   #18
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Ruger .270
Load it with some 150 Barnes and get after it.
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Old 07-03-2019, 04:31 PM   #19
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Old 07-03-2019, 04:55 PM   #20
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Where did he get the info that most shots are at 500 yards?

I always thought you needed long range shooting skills for elk, but after reading a ton I've learned most shots are 200 yards or less.

I bet Moose are the same.

His .270 will work with the right load, but shot placement will be key. But less be honest, even with the 300WM he has to hit the vitals.
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Old 07-03-2019, 05:13 PM   #21
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Took my last Shiras with my 270 wsm 140 gr bonded bullet. 300WM is not needed.
No way he should expect a 500 yd shot.
30-06 with a 180 gr bullet will work just fine.
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Old 07-03-2019, 05:22 PM   #22
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If he already has a .270, he has plenty of gun.
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Old 07-03-2019, 05:35 PM   #23
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I am a reasonably good shot but no way would I even consider any shot beyond 300 yds, and then only under optimum conditions with light, wind, rest. IF and only if the shot involved a wounded animal, then longer range might be in my mind.

The folks that shoot at animals at the extreme ranges are reckless in my opinion---same as folks taking a 60-80 yd shot with a bow.
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Old 07-03-2019, 07:26 PM   #24
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I’m bringing a .300 win mag for my 2020 moose hunt but according to the outfitter a .270 is fine.

Load up with 180 grain partitions or accubonds and your golden
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Old 07-03-2019, 07:48 PM   #25
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I am a reasonably good shot but no way would I even consider any shot beyond 300 yds, and then only under optimum conditions with light, wind, rest. IF and only if the shot involved a wounded animal, then longer range might be in my mind.

The folks that shoot at animals at the extreme ranges are reckless in my opinion---same as folks taking a 60-80 yd shot with a bow.
The key to anything is knowing your personal limits. Iím a pretty decent shot and depending on environmental factors I have no problem taking a shot on an animal past 500 yards, but you have to know your rifle and understand how the animal is acting.
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Old 07-03-2019, 07:54 PM   #26
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I would load up some Nosler 200 grain Partitions in both the 300 Win. Mag and the 06. You really should not go on a hunt that far away without a back up rifle. I would plan on the 300 Win. Mag as the primary gun, with the 06 as a back up gun. Not a lot of difference in a 06 with 200 gr. bullets and a 300 Win. Mag, with 200 gr. bullets.
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Old 07-03-2019, 10:30 PM   #27
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300 Win Mag is always the correct answer on anything larger than varmints.
Agreed
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Old 07-03-2019, 11:55 PM   #28
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270 wby imo
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Old 07-04-2019, 12:11 AM   #29
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I am a reasonably good shot but no way would I even consider any shot beyond 300 yds, and then only under optimum conditions with light, wind, rest. IF and only if the shot involved a wounded animal, then longer range might be in my mind.

The folks that shoot at animals at the extreme ranges are reckless in my opinion---same as folks taking a 60-80 yd shot with a bow.
You could stand to practice a bit more then.
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Old 07-04-2019, 12:15 AM   #30
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I would load up some Nosler 200 grain Partitions in both the 300 Win. Mag and the 06. You really should not go on a hunt that far away without a back up rifle. I would plan on the 300 Win. Mag as the primary gun, with the 06 as a back up gun. Not a lot of difference in a 06 with 200 gr. bullets and a 300 Win. Mag, with 200 gr. bullets.
This also Montana is supporting a good grizzly population. I work with a guy that was mauled there by a grizzly and almost died. I would take enough gun !
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Old 07-04-2019, 12:39 AM   #31
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Old 07-04-2019, 08:36 AM   #32
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Old 07-04-2019, 09:48 AM   #33
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As is often the case the premise I started with turned out to be inaccurate.

1) his tag is for either muley or elk they sometimes get a moose tag but he didnít get one.
2) the guy who invited him actually said 200-1000 yard opportunities

Iíve decided to loan him my .308 and get him confident with it out to 300 yards.
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Old 07-04-2019, 10:27 AM   #34
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I don’t know how much the ones I saw in Idaho but the one bull had to weigh more than 600 and the one cow I saw weighed prolly around 600. They are still very big. I have been within barrel reach of a cow and less than an arm length from a bull. Actually the bull at one time had his head over my blind. If you aren’t hunting them and get this close it is some scary stuff.
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7mm Mag or 300 would be great all around guns. 500 is a long dang way though.
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Old 07-04-2019, 10:32 AM   #36
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As is often the case the premise I started with turned out to be inaccurate.

1) his tag is for either muley or elk they sometimes get a moose tag but he didnít get one.
2) the guy who invited him actually said 200-1000 yard opportunities

Iíve decided to loan him my .308 and get him confident with it out to 300 yards.
Elk are tougher than moose for sure
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The 300 WM is great but donít forget about the 338, itís a potent big game cartridge. Also, I have been very impressed with my dadís 375 H&H on similar sized game.


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Load it with some 150 Barnes and get after it.
My thoughts exactly, he should be familiar with the gun and it won't cost him a fortune to shoot 100 rounds at the range before he goes.

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Old 07-04-2019, 01:32 PM   #39
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Mag. Thatís my favorite caliber.
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Old 07-04-2019, 01:49 PM   #40
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I’ve never killed a moose but have ready plenty about hunting them. They are big but not necessarily tough. Europeans have been killing them with 6.5’s for a long time. The best moose round is something that you can shoot very well. I’d have him shoot accubonds, partitions or ttsx out of his 270 or your 308. You punch one of those through their lungs and I recon they aren’t going far
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Old 07-04-2019, 02:20 PM   #41
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I used to shoot a lot. Practiced at 200 and had no issues killing a couple of deer at 300. didn't have a good rangefinder then, and 25yds misranged at 300 isn't that big of a deal. 25 yds misranged at 400 is a miss. But today, I would hesitate at 300 until I had some practice. With practice, shooting at range and good range numbers, 500 would be very possible. If I could see it. lol
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Old 07-04-2019, 03:03 PM   #42
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Gunny have him go with a 7mag. Very flat great energy at 300-500 yards
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Old 07-05-2019, 01:03 PM   #43
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Iíve never killed a moose but have ready plenty about hunting them. They are big but not necessarily tough. Europeans have been killing them with 6.5ís for a long time. The best moose round is something that you can shoot very well. Iíd have him shoot accubonds, partitions or ttsx out of his 270 or your 308. You punch one of those through their lungs and I recon they arenít going far


This. There is nothing native to this continent that wonít fall very quickly from a well placed ďsmallĒ bullet at those ranges.

Your comment about him needing plenty of practice leads one to believe that he is a relatively inexperienced shooter. Have him practice with whatever he has that doesnít cause him to jerk or flinch. Have him aim for the center of the lungs. Moose lungs are huge (even Shiras Moose) and offer a large margin for error to maintain a lethal shot. Their ribs are not hard to punch through and thereís not 6Ē of muscle to plow through (like the shoulder).

Any centerfire round of mid-.20 cal and up will dispatch moose handily at 100 - 200 yards. Use a quality bonded bullet.

Donít freak him out about it. Make him comfortable shooting a 18Ē target at 300 yards and any shot 200 yards or less will be a walk in the park.


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