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Old 08-13-2019, 08:43 PM   #1
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Bought the Ruger AR some months ago and the 8+ lb trigger had to go. Bought a Velocity Trigger at 2.5 lb weight and installed it. It has doubled on me at least 3 or 4 times, all off the bench. Contacted the company and they said to be sure it was torqued down tightly, which I thought I did, but didn't fix it. They said "send it back to us" which I did Friday and talked to them today---a case of "unable to duplicate the problem" which I only thought happened with car/truck problems and the dealer. They are sending it back with new screws and a base plate so we'll see. If the problem continues they are going to replace it.

I don't like the situation as the hogs are begging to parade in front of my thermal, but I do appreciate their quick response and willingness to accept it back if necessary. I should have it back this week, so back to the bench to install, then to the range to zero. If it is fixed, then hogs, here I come.
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Old 08-13-2019, 08:55 PM   #2
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Had a buddy who had a trigger double up on him. Couldn't figure it out. finally realized a cheap primer had blown a chunk under the seat, into that tiny little spring, and caused just enough havoc to cause it to double.
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Old 08-13-2019, 09:06 PM   #3
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My step dad bought the same trigger and it doubles every time we go to the range...sounds like a common problem
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Old 08-13-2019, 09:09 PM   #4
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What’s wrong with going full auto on hogs?
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Old 08-13-2019, 09:10 PM   #5
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Sounds like pure fun to me


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Old 08-13-2019, 09:59 PM   #6
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My step dad bought the same trigger and it doubles every time we go to the range...sounds like a common problem
I will keep this in mind--they also told me that the non-metal uppers are so flexible that it often causes this problem. The Ruger is metal, so that shouldn't be part of the problem.

And, while it might be fun to go full auto on hogs, I don't have the license for a full-auto and don't want the po-po to come get me and take me away if they hear it rip off a burst.
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Old 08-13-2019, 10:12 PM   #7
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Ive seen this issue with several drop in style AR triggers. Not really brand specific.
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Old 08-13-2019, 10:20 PM   #8
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Are you shooting Hog Hammer ammo?
I threw all of mine away as they were causing double taps from bench. Went back to normal ammo and I couldn't replicate.
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Old 08-13-2019, 10:21 PM   #9
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Itís definitely a common problem with drop in triggers in ARs. I personally donít run anything lighter than 3 lbs in my ARs. Iíve had this issue multiple times and itís usually because of the light single stage triggers.


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Old 08-13-2019, 10:40 PM   #10
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I have one of those triggers. Never a double tap, but have had ftf on 7.62x39 and 5.56 military ammo. I moved that lower to one that is a wildcat round and only uses commercial primers in my reloads.
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Old 08-13-2019, 10:58 PM   #11
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Have a velocity in a 6.8, lightest trigger they offer. Never had one double tap.
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Old 08-14-2019, 12:06 AM   #12
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I’ve had a Geissle do the same thing. Went through the trigger and bolt carrier group multiple times. Thought it might be the disconnector, but the rifle was brand new. Tried dry firing and racking the bcg while holding the trigger to see if the hammer was riding the bolt home, but I could not replicate it. Ended up being user error. This was their super light 3 gun trigger, and I tried to treat it like a bolt action. I was palming the pistol grip, and gently pressing the trigger like I would a precision bolt rifle. There was a short enough reset on that trigger, and just enough recoil to get the firing sequence caught in a loop. I had such light pressure on the trigger face and no support on the rear of the pistol grip, so when the shot broke the recoil was able to reset the trigger, and the forward momentum of the bcg slamming home sent the trigger right back into my finger. All in fractions of a second. It only happened once, and was only three rounds, but that was enough. Now AR’s get shot like AR’s, and I save benchrest techniques for the bolt guns.
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Old 08-14-2019, 09:05 AM   #13
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Like cblackall Had a les baer with a jewell that would do it but only on the bench when shooting for groups as I was free recoiling & easing into the trigger set under a pound for groups. Not really uncommon since the reset couldn't catch.

Next time you shoot check to see if the reset is working properly by making sure you hold the trigger & release to hear / feel the reset click. Just curious if yours isn't catching while doubling vs what I experienced.

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Old 08-14-2019, 09:07 AM   #14
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Had a buddy who had a trigger double up on him. Couldn't figure it out. finally realized a cheap primer had blown a chunk under the seat, into that tiny little spring, and caused just enough havoc to cause it to double.
x2 had the same problem once
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Old 08-14-2019, 09:11 AM   #15
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Old 08-14-2019, 09:45 AM   #16
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ive had several and have put several into guns for friends, weve never had an issue and love them. dont know if id buy one used, guy could have messed with it
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Old 08-14-2019, 12:55 PM   #17
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Lots of good advice here and I will be back in touch. Thx
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Pretty sure I have a velocity . If I loosen it a hair I will get a fire on pull and then release.
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Old 08-16-2019, 07:06 PM   #19
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cblackall---you described my technique pretty much to a T--I need to man-up on the trigger. Got it back today so I'll get it installed and to the range for a retest.
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Old 08-17-2019, 08:17 AM   #22
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My CMC 3.5 straight trigger doubled a few times on me but I'm now 99% certain it was from me not running the reset properly and essentially bumpfiring it as it hasnt happened since I've gotten used to the trigger.

If you are used to a heavier trigger it is really easy to miss the reset point and bump the trigger again instead
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Old 08-17-2019, 09:33 AM   #23
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I will keep this in mind--they also told me that the non-metal uppers are so flexible that it often causes this problem. The Ruger is metal, so that shouldn't be part of the problem.



And, while it might be fun to go full auto on hogs, I don't have the license for a full-auto and don't want the po-po to come get me and take me away if they hear it rip off a burst.


I wasnít going to post about this until this comment. There is a difference in a full auto ar/m4/m16 platform and a semi-auto rifle that is having a malfunction. Iím not posting to belittle but to educate. For an AR weapon to be made a true full auto or burst there has to be a specific part added to the rifle that creates the action. That also requires modification of the lower. It will be very easy for you to demonstrate that your weapon is MALFUNCTIONING not a burst weapon or full auto.

I would highly recommend getting rid of this trigger if you canít get it to function properly. A Rock River two stage trigger is an outstanding (and safe) hunting trigger for about 100$. The ALG defense ACT is a great all around trigger for about 70$.

If you would like more information or any of my background with these weapons shoot me a DM.


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Old 08-18-2019, 03:00 PM   #24
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Sierracharlie338--thanks for the clarificationand I understand your background concerning the AR platform, and you are right---it wasn't going full-auto, but the malfunction was resulting on a two-shot run. I think it is more my trigger technique (rimfire benchrest shooting) as much as anything. I'll get the trigger reinstalled Tuesday and to the range, and report back.
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Sierracharlie338--thanks for the clarificationand I understand your background concerning the AR platform, and you are right---it wasn't going full-auto, but the malfunction was resulting on a two-shot run. I think it is more my trigger technique (rimfire benchrest shooting) as much as anything. I'll get the trigger reinstalled Tuesday and to the range, and report back.

Please do. I donít know anyone that has used one of those so Iím curious to see how it works out for you.


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Old 08-18-2019, 04:05 PM   #26
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Trigger technique is what causes most all of these issues on the AR...it sure was in my case & was also shooting a benchrest style with the Jewell set as light as it could go on the bench free recoil for groups. Basically acts similar to the bump stock to where the reset catches for just a fraction & releases. Rarely will it go more than 2-3 shots & not really a shooting style that works well for these guns.

The auto seer on my m16 works in a completely different manner & many think it just allows the hammer to simply free fall along the forward moving bolt & not the case...the hammer hits in a full solid swing motion from the cocked position no different than it does on the first shot, just instantaneously after the bolt reaches full forward position.
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Old 08-20-2019, 05:25 PM   #27
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Well--as cblackall and Artos posted previously, I think they had it figured out---user error. Did the install today, torqued it down nice and tight and went to the range. Other than having to get the backstop up to 10-12' from the bench to get it on paper, no problems. I did experiment with bench-rest technique and it did double on me. So, just have to get myself out of a habit I have had for years and years, and change my grip and trigger finger habit.

Rifle is zeroed nicely and tomorrow evening Anna and I will be out sitting in ambush---her last hunt before heading back to college on Friday.
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Well--as cblackall and Artos posted previously, I think they had it figured out---user error. Did the install today, torqued it down nice and tight and went to the range. Other than having to get the backstop up to 10-12' from the bench to get it on paper, no problems. I did experiment with bench-rest technique and it did double on me. So, just have to get myself out of a habit I have had for years and years, and change my grip and trigger finger habit.

Rifle is zeroed nicely and tomorrow evening Anna and I will be out sitting in ambush---her last hunt before heading back to college on Friday.
Thanks to all for advice --
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Well--as cblackall and Artos posted previously, I think they had it figured out---user error. Did the install today, torqued it down nice and tight and went to the range. Other than having to get the backstop up to 10-12' from the bench to get it on paper, no problems. I did experiment with bench-rest technique and it did double on me. So, just have to get myself out of a habit I have had for years and years, and change my grip and trigger finger habit.

Rifle is zeroed nicely and tomorrow evening Anna and I will be out sitting in ambush---her last hunt before heading back to college on Friday.


Glad to hear it worked out.


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Glad it worked out, and good luck on the hunt.
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