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Old 07-17-2019, 08:17 PM   #1
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So Iíve been clearing and burning cedar on my place for the past 4 years and everywhere I have had a burn pile what I think is sumac starts growing. Iíve mowed it down, root grappled it up and still canít even slow the stuff down. Iíve never used any chemicals , and donít want to harm my oak trees and native pasture. So my question for yíall is what do I use, when do I use it, and whatís the best application method?
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Old 07-17-2019, 08:19 PM   #2
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Yup, looks like flameleaf sumac. It loves recently burned areas. Remedy and diesel will kill it.
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Old 07-17-2019, 08:29 PM   #3
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100% flameleaf sumac. Any number of herbicides will work on it but what Punchar51 said tends to be a go-to for most applications. Don't worry about your Oaks or natives - just don't overspray!
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Old 07-17-2019, 08:32 PM   #4
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Okay good deal, so do I just spray it on the foliage and try to keep from getting to much overspray? Is this time of year okay to spray them, or is it to hot ? Sorry I’ve been reading to many instructions on the back of the bottles at TSC.
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Old 07-17-2019, 08:33 PM   #5
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Gotcha, I must’ve been typing when you responded. Thanks y’all.
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Old 07-17-2019, 08:34 PM   #6
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Okay good deal, so do I just spray it on the foliage and try to keep from getting to much overspray? Is this time of year okay to spray them, or is it to hot ? Sorry Iíve been reading to many instructions on the back of the bottles at TSC.
Basal spray only. So the bottom 18Ē of each stem, completely around the stem. It will be slow and tedious, but itís better to do it correct once than have to do it a million times.
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Old 07-17-2019, 08:35 PM   #7
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Worst thing about it was all of the top pic was 100% cedar and dirt , then finally started getting grass coming up now I’m afraid this stuff is going to take over like the cedars were.
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Old 07-17-2019, 08:38 PM   #8
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Worst thing about it was all of the top pic was 100% cedar and dirt , then finally started getting grass coming up now Iím afraid this stuff is going to take over like the cedars were.
Cedar(Juniper) is easy to kill, so Iíd say itís going to be even more of a pain. Weíve helped guys clear hundreds of acres, or conduct a prescribed burn, and then flameleaf comes in thick to replace juniper. It just shows that your job is never done as a land manager
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Old 07-17-2019, 08:40 PM   #9
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Yes sir , everywhere I’ve cleared has something new trying to take its place.
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Old 07-18-2019, 10:27 AM   #10
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Deer Eat It
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Old 07-18-2019, 10:32 AM   #11
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Try Grazonnext. We used it in Llano at our place for everything. It won't harm the oak trees or grass, but is suppose to kill everything else. You have to have an applicators license to buy it though.
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Old 07-18-2019, 10:43 AM   #12
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Yep, Flameleaf Sumac. Comes after disturbed soil. Deer do browse it but it's low in crude protein. Beautiful foliage during the fall. And the bucks love to rub it.
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Old 07-18-2019, 06:51 PM   #13
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Try Grazonnext. We used it in Llano at our place for everything. It won't harm the oak trees or grass, but is suppose to kill everything else. You have to have an applicators license to buy it though.
Iíve thought about going to the class to get my license. If Iíve heard right itís not to bad of a class to sit through ?
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Old 07-18-2019, 06:53 PM   #14
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I wouldnít mind a little bit of it , but this stuff is starting to take over.
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Old 07-18-2019, 07:59 PM   #15
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I've been having good luck with Pronone pellets on Mesquite, Sumac and Locust. And a few unwanted cedars.
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Old 07-18-2019, 08:01 PM   #16
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I've been having good luck with Pronone pellets on Mesquite, Sumac and Locust. And a few unwanted cedars.
Agree with this, but no way would I do it anywhere around oaks. Itíd be a much easier option.
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Old 07-18-2019, 09:37 PM   #17
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Agree with this, but no way would I do it anywhere around oaks. Itíd be a much easier option.
Yes, it kills anything that absorbs it. I have enough oaks, though that if a couple get caught in it, I'll just use them for firewood...
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Old 07-18-2019, 11:30 PM   #18
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OP, you in Burnet Co. by chance?
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Old 07-19-2019, 06:32 PM   #19
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Flameleaf sumac is a class 2/3 browse plant for deer. Just wanted to throw it out there. It’s also great habitat for quail and fawns.
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OP, you in Burnet Co. by chance?
Yes sir. Bertram area.
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Old 07-19-2019, 06:36 PM   #21
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Flameleaf sumac is a class 2/3 browse plant for deer. Just wanted to throw it out there. Itís also great habitat for quail and fawns.
Good to know, I donít want to kill all of it but I had 20+ burn piles on my property so I donít want everyone of them to be a sumac forest.
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Old 07-19-2019, 06:58 PM   #22
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If you are seeing much utilization on flameleaf sumac you have a deer density problem. A big one. If it was me, I’d treat most of the areas and leave a few alone.
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Old 07-19-2019, 08:05 PM   #23
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I’m not seeing any signs of anything eating it.
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Old 07-19-2019, 09:29 PM   #24
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Iím not seeing any signs of anything eating it.
I didnít figure you would. It can be used, but only under dire situations, or just the occasional leaf.
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i'll just add that with the size of some of those plants in the pics i'd go with basal stem or cut stump methods. you wont hurt anything else that way too.
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Old 07-21-2019, 11:04 PM   #26
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So would I be better off shredding this stuff down then spraying the cut stumps
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Old 07-22-2019, 07:34 AM   #27
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Iíve thought about going to the class to get my license. If Iíve heard right itís not to bad of a class to sit through ?
Honestly i'm not sure to tell you the truth. My grandfather is the one in the family who holds the license.
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Old 07-22-2019, 07:41 AM   #28
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So would I be better off shredding this stuff down then spraying the cut stumps
No, you need a clean cut to make sure you cover the cut area with chemical. Also, you need to spray the stumps within 15 minutes of cutting them. I prefer one person to cut the trees with a chainsaw, and another right behind them spraying the stumps. Itís easily a one person job, but easier with two.
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Old 07-23-2019, 01:34 PM   #29
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Rather than start a new thread I thought I would ask here. We are overrun with yaupon and many encircle large post oaks. Can I basal spray the remedy/diesel on the yaupon to kill them, without harming the oaks?
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Rather than start a new thread I thought I would ask here. We are overrun with yaupon and many encircle large post oaks. Can I basal spray the remedy/diesel on the yaupon to kill them, without harming the oaks?
I'd also like to hear everyone's opinion.
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Old 07-23-2019, 03:36 PM   #31
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i've sprayed them in deep bottoms with lots of ground cover like leaves on the ground. never closer than a few feet from a desirable trunk. I clear yaupon right around trees by painting basal stems. even with a conejet 5500 X1 you get lots of overspray. Cant be good for a tree.
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BTW, you can kill yaupon with just diesel in the spring.
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Old 07-23-2019, 06:21 PM   #33
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BTW, you can kill yaupon with just diesel in the spring.
Really? That would be fantastic. Couple of follow up question? By spraying foliage or basal and does the size of the trunk dictate? I've shredded some areas and it keeps growing like ground cover, in other areas the trunks are +4" in diameter and 20' tall.
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Old 07-23-2019, 06:39 PM   #34
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with yaupon size of the trunk doesn't really matter because yaupon remains smooth barked no matter the size. With mesquite it does matter. I generally cut anything over 2". with mesquite the bigger the trunk the higher mix. I stick with 25% on anything I have to cut. saving 10.00 in poison and having to do it again ain't worth the savings. Although you can kill yaupon with just diesel I do a 10% mix and spray when I can.

If you spray yaupon foliage your pissin in the wind. That mowed yaupon ground cover makes good erosion control. Here where I live the yaupon are so thick I don't bow hunt. If a deer goes more than 10 yards I'll never find it. I guess your place is like that too.
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Old 07-23-2019, 07:15 PM   #35
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It is very thick with yaupon in some areas. I can only hunt what I clear but that stuff is relentless. Thanks for the guidance.
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Old 07-26-2019, 07:40 PM   #36
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Just thought you all might like to see mu brush rig. I took the old school carpenters tote and modified it for a chainsaw.



It has room for the saw and a Fiskars geared loper.



It has compartments for a bar chain bottle, tools, and gas. The beer bottles contain new gaskets and one holds gas and the other bar lube. I put one in each pocket for extended walks on trails. OK, maybe I carry a few more...



The bottle is remedy reclaim mix. I like clear bottles because you can see when the mix separates. I put only a 1/4" in the can at a time because I usually knock it over. The brush is a chip brush I modified the handle with aluminum channel because the wood one absorbed the diesel mix and I didn't like getting it on my hands or gloves.



My plastic chainsaw case couldn't do this. I also can't say enough nice things about my Stihl 170. A real workhorse.
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Old 07-27-2019, 12:47 AM   #37
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Nice ! I like how organized it is.
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