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Old 04-08-2021, 12:53 PM   #1
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I have a Husqvarna 445 chainsaw and it is not cutting good. After a little while it starts to smoke a little. Using Premixed 50:1 truefuel, the bar oil reservoir is full and i can tell oil is getting to the bar. Chain is fairly new and i'm going to try a new chain this weekend.
Is this a bad clutch?
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Old 04-08-2021, 12:58 PM   #2
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What's smoking? The chain or the motor? My chain will smoke if it's not getting enough bar oil.
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Old 04-08-2021, 12:59 PM   #3
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I looks to be around the bar/clutch area. Motor seems to be running good.
I think it is getting enough oil on bar as it sprays it some when cutting.
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Old 04-08-2021, 01:02 PM   #4
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are you sure your chain, sproket, and bar are all the same pitch & teeth count?
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Old 04-08-2021, 01:04 PM   #5
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are you sure your chain, sproket, and bar are all the same pitch & teeth count?
Yes. I have been using the same bar and chains for a while and just resharpen the blades. This just started the last 2 times i have used it.
Saw is over 5 years old and has worked great prior to this.
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Old 04-08-2021, 01:12 PM   #6
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might need to change the bar too. The chain groove can get waller'd out, or even pinched.
Is there discoloration in the bar?
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Old 04-08-2021, 01:14 PM   #7
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Yes. I have been using the same bar and chains for a while and just resharpen the blades. This just started the last 2 times i have used it.
Saw is over 5 years old and has worked great prior to this.
when you said chain was fairly new in the original post it made me wonder if it had a different pitch. I've seen a pitch mismatch on sprocket & chain cause similar issue to what you are describing.
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Old 04-08-2021, 01:25 PM   #8
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when you said chain was fairly new in the original post it made me wonder if it had a different pitch. I've seen a pitch mismatch on sprocket & chain cause similar issue to what you are describing.
I will verify again but been buying the same Oregon blades the last couple of years.
I just put a new bar on as well because i though the old one might have gotten a little bent or something.

going to try the new blade that came with the new bar this weekend. If still a problem, going to sell this one cheap and buy a new one.
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Old 04-08-2021, 01:36 PM   #9
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Does the sprocket on the end of your bar spin freely?
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Old 04-08-2021, 01:37 PM   #10
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might need to change the bar too. The chain groove can get waller'd out, or even pinched.
Is there discoloration in the bar?
Yeah. The bar gets abused more than you think. I had similar issues and after replacing the bar it was like a brand new saw. I'm no expert on saws though.
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Old 04-08-2021, 01:39 PM   #11
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Make sure your sprocket and clutch drum spins freely as said. Also sprockets wear out too. You should typically lose about 3/4 a tank of bar oil to 1 tank of gas. Dulled out chain will also smoke.
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Old 04-08-2021, 01:42 PM   #12
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Thanks guys.
I will check the sprocket and clutch drum. Going to put a new chain on as well and give it a go this weekend.
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Old 04-08-2021, 02:40 PM   #13
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Just an idea.........
Might check, your emergency brake.......
Sometimes, they get really dirty, or gummed up, or just crud in them..
This wont allow the chain to spin freely......
And will cause it to smoke too..........
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Old 04-08-2021, 03:00 PM   #14
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Just an idea.........
Might check, your emergency brake.......
Sometimes, they get really dirty, or gummed up, or just crud in them..
This wont allow the chain to spin freely......
And will cause it to smoke too..........
Will check this as well. I can spin it by hand though.
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Old 04-08-2021, 07:32 PM   #15
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Something is binding the chain/bar when putting side plate on. Everything turns smooth and then I put the side plate on it will turn and then catch, turn then catch where you can barely get it to turn.
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Old 04-08-2021, 07:39 PM   #16
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Sounds like your brake/spring is binding. Have you pulled it apart and blew the plate out with air?
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Old 04-08-2021, 07:59 PM   #17
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I figured it out. The new bar I bought, the tension screw is not lining up. It’s falling into another hole. I had just bought a tractor supply bar that supposed to fit.
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Old 04-08-2021, 08:42 PM   #18
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I figured it out. The new bar I bought, the tension screw is not lining up. Itís falling into another hole. I had just bought a tractor supply bar that supposed to fit.
universal is not always a solution

Been in the same place before, now I just buy stihl but would consider oregon or other reputable aftermarket bar

My first thought was the bar tip sprocket
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Old 04-08-2021, 09:11 PM   #19
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Your chain isn't on backwards, is it?
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Old 04-08-2021, 09:24 PM   #20
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Found a husqvarna bar this evening and it seems to be rolling smooth. Will try it out this weekend. Thank for all the replies.
Still might put it up for sale and buy a Stihl or Echo
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Old 04-08-2021, 10:25 PM   #21
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Found a husqvarna bar this evening and it seems to be rolling smooth. Will try it out this weekend. Thank for all the replies.
Still might put it up for sale and buy a Stihl or Echo
problem you described could happen on any brand, it's not the saw's fault .. all 3 brands you mentioned are all fantastic saws.

buy quality bars, chains , gas and chain oil ... and all 3 will perform.
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Old 04-10-2021, 09:15 PM   #22
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Tried it out today and still having problems. Something with the side plate is putting chain bar in a bind. It will spin free then get in a bind.
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Old 04-10-2021, 09:21 PM   #23
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Have a 455 Rancher and it would bind in side plate. Took in in for repair and it was a metal band inside the plate hub. Had it replaced and it worked fine. Wasn’t very expensive. Also the chain break mechanism was broken & had it repaired at the same time.
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Old 04-10-2021, 09:25 PM   #24
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Have a 455 Rancher and it would bind in side plate. Took in in for repair and it was a metal band inside the plate hub. Had it replaced and it worked fine. Wasnít very expensive. Also the chain break mechanism was broken & had it repaired at the same time.
Yeah Iím thinking it might have to do with the clutch ring. It doesnít look like anything is wrong but something is off.
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Old 04-11-2021, 11:52 AM   #25
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Tried it out today and still having problems. Something with the side plate is putting chain bar in a bind. It will spin free then get in a bind.
Are you mechanically inclined?

Not familiar with Husqvarna saws but I have a mini Stihl that has a band that resides in the side plate that sounds like what you are talking about.

Pop that band out and clean it and the "groove" or space where it sits out real good too and put it back together. I had a similar problem and it had built up a bunch of crud between band and housing
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Old 04-11-2021, 09:47 PM   #26
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sounds to me like the problem is the chain... are you sure you didn't have the chain slip off and it bent a tooth ? with the bar off the saw can you take the entire chain through the bar and roll it by hand without binding ?? sure sounds like a bad spot on the chain itself to me .. or out of specs... do you have another chain ?
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Old 04-12-2021, 07:54 AM   #27
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Chain is full, get a new one.
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Old 04-12-2021, 08:51 AM   #28
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Are you mechanically inclined?

Not familiar with Husqvarna saws but I have a mini Stihl that has a band that resides in the side plate that sounds like what you are talking about.

Pop that band out and clean it and the "groove" or space where it sits out real good too and put it back together. I had a similar problem and it had built up a bunch of crud between band and housing
I am somewhat. Had my BIL look at it yesterday and we think the sprocket is broke. You can see a gap where the chain must be sliding into and binding.

Place i called to fix wants $60 to diagnose and then parts and labor.
Think it is worth it? Guessing $125-$150 to fix.
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Buy the sprocket and fix yourself if you are certain the sprocket is cracked/broken
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Old 04-12-2021, 03:22 PM   #30
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Buy the sprocket and fix yourself if you are certain the sprocket is cracked/broken

Probably a needle bearing in there too. Those wear out. Just wanted add that to the list.
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Just an idea.........
Might check, your emergency brake.......
Sometimes, they get really dirty, or gummed up, or just crud in them..
This wont allow the chain to spin freely......
And will cause it to smoke too..........
This^^
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Old 04-14-2021, 02:08 PM   #32
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Just dropped off at the shop, so we will see what they say. I could have continued to try things but thought it would be best just to get someone that knows more to look at it.

Once running properly, how much do you think it would be worth? Thinking of selling and buying an Echo as that is what they recommended over a Stihl.
I have a Echo weedeater and blower with no problems.
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Old 04-14-2021, 04:26 PM   #33
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I sell both lines, Husqvarna and Echo. Both are good saws. Echo is a little more $$ per cc.
Its all about the chains and fuel if you ask me. Generally Echo is a little lighter saw.
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I sell both lines, Husqvarna and Echo. Both are good saws. Echo is a little more $$ per cc.
Its all about the chains and fuel if you ask me. Generally Echo is a little lighter saw.
my cs-2511T sure is light and pure awesome .. unless i need to cut something really big , it does a great job ! 5.2lbs ! can't beat it
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