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Old 03-31-2019, 09:12 AM   #1
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Iíve been looking to bump up the AR platform to something with a little more thump. This would mainly be for my boys to use for hunting deer and me for hogs. Most shots would be limited to 100 yards or less for them.

I want to keep the recoil / power trade off to the low end. What is the recommendation of the green screen? Iíve considered .300 blackout and recently discovered the 6.5 Grendel. Iím sure there are other options.

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Old 03-31-2019, 09:17 AM   #2
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What length barrel? Less than 16” and under 100 yard shots either are good. 16” or longer 6.5G all day and it will become your favorite hunting gun.
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Old 03-31-2019, 09:31 AM   #3
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Iím not partial on barrel length. 16Ē is easy to handle. I donít want to go much longer than that - if at all.

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Old 03-31-2019, 11:37 AM   #4
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If I were you I’d get a 16” Grendel
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Old 03-31-2019, 11:59 AM   #5
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6.8 SPC
300 Blackout
& 6.5

All great choices...stay with 16"
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Old 03-31-2019, 12:40 PM   #6
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Old 03-31-2019, 12:44 PM   #7
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Look hard at the 7.62x39 in an AR. Cheap ammo to play with, good hunting ammo available, enough butt to handle bigger hogs. All in a rifle that can be had for cheap. I use the Wolf/Tula 154 gr. SP ammo at 12 bucks for 40 rounds.
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Old 03-31-2019, 09:20 PM   #8
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Look hard at the 7.62x39 in an AR. Cheap ammo to play with, good hunting ammo available, enough butt to handle bigger hogs. All in a rifle that can be had for cheap. I use the Wolf/Tula 154 gr. SP ammo at 12 bucks for 40 rounds.
I agree... Iíve switched 2 of my thermal setups over to this caliber and have had great results. One of them has a 16Ē and the other a 10.5Ē barrel. Shooting the 124gr tulammo spís and itís rough on hogs
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Old 04-01-2019, 08:00 AM   #9
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Grendel. and you can use it a good bit farther if you so desire,,,
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Old 04-01-2019, 08:42 AM   #10
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X2 for the 6.8 SPC
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Old 04-01-2019, 10:02 AM   #11
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Iíve shot my Grendel out to 500 with just hold overs. It gets my vote. Oh and it is a pig killing machine.




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Old 04-01-2019, 11:07 AM   #12
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Look hard at the 7.62x39 in an AR. Cheap ammo to play with, good hunting ammo available, enough butt to handle bigger hogs. All in a rifle that can be had for cheap. I use the Wolf/Tula 154 gr. SP ammo at 12 bucks for 40 rounds.
x3 for this. Hyper accuracy isn't what ARs are about, and 7.62x39 has better displacement and is cheaper to shoot.
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Old 04-01-2019, 01:23 PM   #13
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450BM is a true thumper of beast!
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Old 04-01-2019, 02:22 PM   #14
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This is what makes me keep leaning towards a 6.5. Cheap ammo for having fun or stacking deep. Good selection of quality ammo for hunting or target shooting.




https://www.sgammo.com/product/wolf-...-wpa-wolf-ammo
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Old 04-01-2019, 02:24 PM   #15
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Old 04-01-2019, 02:36 PM   #16
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This is what makes me keep leaning towards a 6.5. Cheap ammo for having fun or stacking deep. Good selection of quality ammo for hunting or target shooting.

http://ammunitionstore.com/products/...ound-case.html
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Old 04-01-2019, 02:39 PM   #17
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6.8 gets my vote, but does have a little more thump than the .223. But, puts the hurtin on most things with 4 legs.
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Old 04-01-2019, 02:43 PM   #18
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How much more thump

300 BO is great if you are going to suppress it otherwise no
7.62x39 is a great all around answer Change followers in a few mags and run it cheap and basically a 30-30
6.5 & 6.8 are great but depending on local can be hard to walk in an buy just anywhere.
450 is the smae as far as ammo availability but it is fun as hell to shoot
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Old 04-01-2019, 02:43 PM   #19
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Oh trust me I know! .

If i'm going to build an AR in a different caliber i'm going to want something that can do something a 5.56 can't. Something that has a further effective range.

I love 7.62X39 and it's unbeatable for ammo cost, but it belongs in AK's.

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Old 04-01-2019, 03:01 PM   #20
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Oh trust me I know! .

If i'm going to build an AR in a different caliber i'm going to want something that can do something a 5.56 can't. Something that has a further effective range.

I love 7.62X39 and it's unbeatable for ammo cost, but it belongs in AK's.
Oh. Yeah, for me ARs and "long range" are like those off-road looking Mercedes, but people love 'em and that's all right by me.
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Old 04-01-2019, 03:14 PM   #21
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6.8 here, but no qualms with a Grendel .. they are like ford vs Chevy
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Old 04-01-2019, 03:16 PM   #22
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Old 04-01-2019, 03:22 PM   #23
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I hunt with a 6.8spc and am a big fan of it. It's got good knock down power and the recoil isn't bad. As stated above though, the ammo isn't as plentiful as other calibers and it hasn't seem to catch on as much as I thought it would, therefore it's not the best choice if you are wanting to target shoot a lot with it.
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Old 04-01-2019, 03:24 PM   #24
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Oh. Yeah, for me ARs and "long range" are like those off-road looking Mercedes, but people love 'em and that's all right by me.
Not necessarily long range. Just something I can easily make hits with and feel more confident shooting animals with at further distances than I would with 5.56 or 7.62x39.
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Not necessarily long range. Just something I can easily make hits with and feel more confident shooting animals with at further distances than I would with 5.56 or 7.62x39.
6.5 or 6.8 will deliver much more than a 223 will,,, and a lot better than the 7.62 x39 as range increases,, better accuracy also
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6.5 or 6.8 will deliver much more than a 223 will,,, and a lot better than the 7.62 x39 as range increases,, better accuracy also
Agreed.
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Old 04-01-2019, 04:31 PM   #27
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You should seriously consider the 224 Valkyrie! It is my go-to AR. I do like my 6.8 but the 224 V has no kick, crazy speed retention and nothing I have shot has walked away yet from Whitetails, Axis Buck and a bunch of hogs! I killed a hog last night with one. I have a 20" and an 18". Both are Palmetto State Armory and the 18" is a lightweight and very accurate shooting 90gr Federal Fusions. I buy them on-line at ammo seek.
I have a high-end Wilson Combat 6.8 but it is collecting dust due to the lightweight fun shooting 224v.
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Old 04-01-2019, 04:38 PM   #28
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The 6.8 SPC was designed for short barrels. Rebarrel with an ARP barrel and bolt carrier group, get some good mags and you're good to go. It will kill large hogs DRT with a high shoulder shot easily. This one was 270 lb.
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Old 04-01-2019, 05:17 PM   #29
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6.5 Grendel vote here.
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Old 04-01-2019, 05:38 PM   #30
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Old 04-01-2019, 05:42 PM   #31
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6.5 grendel vote only about 30% more recoil than 223 and your shooting 120 hrs bullets.
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Old 04-01-2019, 06:18 PM   #32
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I know I'm out voted, but I really enjoy my 300AAC.
3 deer, 1 turkey, and 6 hogs DRT @ 100 yds or less.
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Old 04-01-2019, 09:28 PM   #33
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300blk is good. 6.5g and 6.8 are essentially the same except 6.5g has a tad more reach and its cheaper ammo. Holdovers are the same. 450 is pointless for smaller 4 legged animals. 400lbs or less. If you need the 450, you just need to work on your shot placement.
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Old 04-02-2019, 08:51 AM   #34
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300blk is good. 6.5g and 6.8 are essentially the same except 6.5g has a tad more reach and its cheaper ammo. Holdovers are the same. 450 is pointless for smaller 4 legged animals. 400lbs or less. If you need the 450, you just need to work on your shot placement.
Gotta disagree on that one. The 450, 458, and you could argue even the 300blk are ideal for shooting running pigs that you bust at close range in the brush. In that situation you want as much power as possible, applied center mass.
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Old 04-02-2019, 08:56 AM   #35
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6.8 and 6.5 are NOT the same... Look at energy of 6.8 vs 6.5 especially inside 300-400

If your main target is pigs, and your shooting inside of 400 then go 6.8 all day every day

If you want to reach out and maybe play on steel too go 6.5

If it's me the ultimate pig AR is a 6.8 with a can and a thermal scope
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Old 04-02-2019, 07:58 PM   #36
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Thanks for all the replies. Lots of good feedback.

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Old 04-02-2019, 08:17 PM   #37
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450BM is a true thumper of beast!

There has been 5 people kill deer with my .450. I really like it.
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Old 04-03-2019, 05:34 AM   #38
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6.8 and 224 Valkarie. Have both and love them both
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Old 04-04-2019, 01:06 PM   #39
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Check out the .300 HAM'R by Wilson Combat. Like a .300 BLK but with better ballistics. Made to be a hunting round.
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Old 04-04-2019, 03:11 PM   #40
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100 yards and under 300 all day, want to stretch the range 6.5
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Old 04-04-2019, 03:14 PM   #41
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you can keep the recoil for any round down with the right parts
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Old 04-05-2019, 10:04 PM   #42
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Old 04-05-2019, 10:07 PM   #43
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The 6.5 Grendel would be a good choice, for what you are wanting to do. I have thought for a while now, that the 6.5 Grendel, would be a great choice of caliber for a kids first deer gun, preferably in a Howa or CZ mini bolt action.
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Old 04-05-2019, 10:27 PM   #44
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My favorite deer cartridge is the Grendel. I've got no experience with the 6.8 but I'm sure that whichever of the Grendel or 6.8 you buy first you'll become loyal to. I don't think I'd pick the blackout over either of these two! Though I love plinking with mine...

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