Reply
Go Back   TexasBowhunter.com Community Discussion Forums > Topics > Around the Campfire
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-30-2019, 04:31 PM   #1
hoghunter69
Ten Point
 
hoghunter69's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: san antonio
Hunt In: looking for one
Default explain talent to me

all year cowboy fans have stated that garret had to go because with all the talent on the cowboys team they should be winning alot more game,,,if these guys are so talented explain why they miss blocks,tackles,catches, over throw receivers, run wrong routes, blow pass coverages, and miss kicks, garret does not call the offensive plays, that was done by moore who was supposed to be the next young thing, garret didnt call the defense, i understand garret is a sub par coach but no one is putting any blame on the players, i coached for over 20 years and had some great teams and some awful teams but talent usually always prevailed on the field, they may have alot of talent on the team but does not make them a talented team,
hoghunter69 is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 12-30-2019, 04:43 PM   #2
Smokeater
Ten Point
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Clifton,Tx
Hunt In: Tree
Default

Talent is the awesomeness you display on every play of every game right up until you get that big contract.
Smokeater is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 12-30-2019, 05:01 PM   #3
RMW
Ten Point
 
RMW's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Burr
Hunt In: Down South
Default

Cowboys are not that talented if you ask me, I could tell you only 3-4 players on their defense. One of them in Christian Covington that was on the Texans last year that we were glad to get rid of because he sucked and he starts on the Dallas d-line. I’d say the offensive line and running back have the most talent. Can’t win with Dak as your QB
RMW is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 12-30-2019, 05:04 PM   #4
Hardware
Eight Point
 
Hardware's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Brazoria County
Hunt In: Texas, Western US & Argentina
Default

I think heart/drive plays a bigger role in the finished product of a winning team!!! Most of the very talented players lack the heart/drive because its always been so easy for them against most others and they tend to coast along. Give me a player that has some talent but a huge heart and drive and you'll come out way ahead of team with big ego and talent.
Just look at the Eagles this year and the injuries to their stars they over came with players that had drive and something to prove.
Hardware is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 12-30-2019, 05:06 PM   #5
ttaxidermy
Pope & Young
 
ttaxidermy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Brazoria county
Hunt In: Brady,McCulloch Cnty, Brazoria cnty, South Africa, Namibia
Default

Talent is when you do what you are good at and what you are being paid to do without show boating and acting surprised that you actually pulled it off..

Barry Sanders is the definition of talent when it comes to football...
ttaxidermy is online now   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 12-30-2019, 05:46 PM   #6
ctom87
Ten Point
 
ctom87's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2018
Location: Fort Worth
Hunt In: Nolan County
Default

Talent is physical ability. During training camp, they were a highly talented team. Their athleticism is high, and they are considered talented.

Coaching is what takes the natural talents they have and forms them into skills. They were not skillful this year, and that is a direct correlation to coaching. There's a lot of potential in this team and with the right coach, I am sure their talents will be utilized more properly.

I'm a baseball guy, so this is the best way I can explain it. "Talent" is throwing 98. "Skill" is throwing 98 mph strikes, which coaching can often influence. Talent is the ability before being influenced by coaching.

Last edited by ctom87; 12-30-2019 at 06:19 PM.
ctom87 is online now   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 12-30-2019, 06:39 PM   #7
MBV77
Ten Point
 
MBV77's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Whitesboro, TX.
Hunt In: Clay County
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ctom87 View Post
Talent is physical ability. During training camp, they were a highly talented team. Their athleticism is high, and they are considered talented.

Coaching is what takes the natural talents they have and forms them into skills. They were not skillful this year, and that is a direct correlation to coaching. There's a lot of potential in this team and with the right coach, I am sure their talents will be utilized more properly.

I'm a baseball guy, so this is the best way I can explain it. "Talent" is throwing 98. "Skill" is throwing 98 mph strikes, which coaching can often influence. Talent is the ability before being influenced by coaching.


Throwing 98mph strikes on the corners. 98mph strikes down the middle go 500 ft the opposite direction.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
MBV77 is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 12-30-2019, 07:09 PM   #8
tigerscowboy
Pope & Young
 
tigerscowboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Texas
Hunt In: Eagle Lake. Elk, Pronghorn, Nigai, Carribou, Deer in CO,WY, TX, AK. Bass, Trout, and Reds.
Default

Seriously?

Talent doesn't = success
tigerscowboy is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 12-30-2019, 07:12 PM   #9
tigerscowboy
Pope & Young
 
tigerscowboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Texas
Hunt In: Eagle Lake. Elk, Pronghorn, Nigai, Carribou, Deer in CO,WY, TX, AK. Bass, Trout, and Reds.
Default

Knowledge, discipline, & work ethic/hustle will always reward.
tigerscowboy is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 12-30-2019, 07:15 PM   #10
panhandlehunter
Pope & Young
 
panhandlehunter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Sweenyish
Hunt In: Brazoria, Matagorda & Medina Counties
Default

Explain overrated to me. All those nfl teams are about equal as far as talent goes. Coaching and a qb is the difference between 12-4 and 8-8.
panhandlehunter is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 12-30-2019, 07:48 PM   #11
mjhaverkamp
Pope & Young
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Southlake, Texas
Hunt In: Cooke, Wilbarger, Foard Counties
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by panhandlehunter View Post
Explain overrated to me. All those nfl teams are about equal as far as talent goes. Coaching and a qb is the difference between 12-4 and 8-8.
Hard to argue with this, I do not believe the Cowboys are as talented as the media had them built up to be.
mjhaverkamp is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 12-30-2019, 10:58 PM   #12
brokeno
Ten Point
 
brokeno's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Smiley, Texas
Hunt In: Gonzales & Young Co and anywhere
Default

There are so many teams with equal talent but it's the coaches responsibly to get that talent out the players every game. That was not happening in Dallas. Everyone has seen teams with less talent beat teams with more talent. I know these are professionals getting paid millions of dollars but they still need to be motivated, encouraged and fired up and be ready to play. That was not happening in Dallas. JJ lost all respect of his players when he caved in and gave pierce nose and new contract when he already had one he signed two years earlier. Not a jj fan.
brokeno is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 12-30-2019, 11:03 PM   #13
Tom
Ten Point
 
Tom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Montgomery
Hunt In: Rocky Mountains, Africa
Default

Talent is an individual trait. Coaching brings out the talent in everyone and makes it work
Tom is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 12-30-2019, 11:21 PM   #14
jaspermac
Ten Point
 
jaspermac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Jasper, TX
Hunt In: Jasper/Doole
Default

I think “potential” is a better word than “talent”
jaspermac is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 12-31-2019, 12:08 AM   #15
rfroese
Four Point
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Texas
Default

Aikman did a great job of pointing out a particular issue Dallas had related to their zone defense on a play against Washington yesterday. They were in a cover 2 and Sean Lee let someone come into his zone and then sit tight right near him in a hole without covering him. Perfect example of how they are teaching or "not teaching" them to play zone coverage.

For example in our Cover 2 which we play to a 1 or 2 WR side, we teach our CBs to lock onto the #1 receiver unless they get an "out-out" call from the safety. If they get the call, they cover the #2 receiver running some type of outward breaking route. Safeties lock on #2 unless the #2 receiver runs some type of out route within 5-7 yards of the line of scrimmage. If they make an out call, they cover the #1 receiver. Technically, its a zone defense but they learn to cover a man within their area and not just an area. Of course this scenario is not what unfolded on the play in question but it shows a snippet of the rules we have on our own team. When you teach a zone defense this way, you can be a gap control defense on the front 7 and still have a chance to get every man covered regardless of the routes being run by the offense.

Dallas looks like they play a video game "Madden" zone style defense. Which is awful defense. They have a bunch of different defensive calls and are constantly getting caught out of position or in busted coverages because they don't teach fundamental football.

Last edited by rfroese; 12-31-2019 at 12:13 AM.
rfroese is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 12-31-2019, 12:09 AM   #16
hpdrifter
Ten Point
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: kerens
Hunt In: anywhere I can
Default

Potential is being able to run a 4.2 forty.

Talent is being able to run 4.3 forty catch passes, hold onto the ball, have lateral movement and be generally coordinated.

Skill is the above with accurate pass routes, elude/run over/thru defenders, tackle, and/or be able to cover receivers and play within a plan.
hpdrifter is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 12-31-2019, 12:12 AM   #17
hpdrifter
Ten Point
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: kerens
Hunt In: anywhere I can
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rfroese View Post
Aikman did a great job of pointing out a particular issue Dallas had related to their zone defense on a play against Washington yesterday. They were in a cover 2 and Sean Lee let someone come into his zone and then sit tight right near him in a hole without covering him. Perfect example of how they are teaching or "not teaching" them to play zone coverage.

For example in our Cover 2 which we play to a 1 or 2 WR side, we teach our CBs to lock onto the #1 receiver unless they get an "out-out" call from the safety. If they get the call, they cover the #2 receiver running some type of outward breaking route. Safeties lock on #2 unless the #2 receiver runs some type of out route within 5-7 yards of the line of scrimmage. If they make an out call, they cover the #1 receiver. Technically, its a zone defense but they learn to cover a man within their area and not just an area. Of course this scenario is not what unfolded on the play in question but it shows a snippet of the rules we have on our own team. When you teach a zone defense this way, you be a gap control defense on the front 7 and still have a chance to get every man covered regardless of the routes being run by the offense.

Dallas looks like they play a video game "Madden" zone style defense. Which is awful defense. They have a bunch of different defensive calls and are constantly getting caught out of position or in busted coverages because they don't teach fundamental football.
Kinda what I've been saying for 2-3 years. They play a **** poor zone, way too loose.
hpdrifter is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 12-31-2019, 12:44 AM   #18
geezer56
Six Point
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: North Carolina
Hunt In: Georgia
Default

And as UNC basketball coach Roy Williams once said, when asked why he benched a star player for a quarter, it takes absolutely no talent to hustle. He has great talent, so he should have hustled more.
geezer56 is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 12-31-2019, 01:12 AM   #19
Abcdj
Pope & Young
 
Abcdj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: The Can & Brenham
Hunt In: Texas
Default Talent?

Genetics and God given abilities. These things you must have in higher levels of sports. The rest is up to you!
Attached Images
    
Abcdj is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 12-31-2019, 04:38 AM   #20
AntlerCollector
Pope & Young
 
AntlerCollector's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Hunt In: Votaw, Hardin/Polk Co., TX. Bon Weir, Newton Co., El Dorado, Schleicher Co., TX.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jaspermac View Post
I think “potential” is a better word than “talent”




Darrell Royal quote: Potential just means you ain't done it yet
AntlerCollector is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:39 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Copyright 1999-2012, TexasBowhunter.com